#hibileaks/Hands On Hibs/BuyHibs (Merged)

[Andy74]

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Thanks, but this goes beyond Buy Hibs. We are being led to believe that the club is proposing major changes in some form or another. I think, therefore, that it is only right that details are made public for all fans ahead of the AGM. It's good PR for the club too.

Of course, votes at the AGM are symbolic only because STF has near-total control. But symbolic votes still carry some weight.

That's true, but I don't think they are being proposed for approval at the AGM.

The debt thing, whatever, it is, is a board matter and I'm fairly sure could only be of benefit to us and so if they were to announce that at the AGM as a job done then that would be fair enough.

The rest appears just to be future strategy, maybe some long term planning of an ownership model, its really only those on the outside that have been suggesting we have an urgent ownership or asset issue.

My understanding is that they are going to present this at at the AGM so I'm not sure what benefit pre-presenting a presentation would do.

The club have undertaken surveys and consultations already and if they have a clear view now from that then we can't say we haven't been asked, however, I'm sure there will be some discussion opportnity once we know exactly what these plans are.

[jacomo]

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Stick me on ignore then - I don't give a toss!

Why were you bleating about me last week then? Pathetic stuff.

[Peevemor]

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Why were you bleating about me last week then? Pathetic stuff.

I'll bleat on about you if I want, you can choose to not even see it should you so wish.

[jacomo]

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I'll bleat on about you if I want, you can choose to not even see it should you so wish.

Seriously?

I'd drop the keyboard hard man stuff if I were you - it's not a good look.

[The Green Goblin]

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BuHibs now want answers before the AGM. That's a bit rich considering they can't answer anything themselves.

They also seem to have clicked that Sir Tom might not actually want to sell...

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...-agm-1-3636321

Maybe they could have gotten those answers if they had been mature enough to meet the board and talk like adults.

[Jack]

Is the kano that posted last night the Kano that some people seem to assume he is?

I think we should be told.

[Mikey]

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Why were you bleating about me last week then? Pathetic stuff.

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I'll bleat on about you if I want, you can choose to not even see it should you so wish.

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Seriously?

I'd drop the keyboard hard man stuff if I were you - it's not a good look.

Let's both drop it

[Andy74]

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Is the kano that posted last night the Kano that some people seem to assume he is?

I think we should be told.

I don't think he is Kano as in the ex player!

The poster seemed to be coming from the HoH side as opposed to BuyHibs but the lines are becoming less easy to see.

[jacomo]

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Let's both drop it

Ha. Sorry mate, not guilty. Go back to the start of this little exchange and see if I provoked this or not.

Like I said, it's pathetic.

[Leithenhibby]

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Is the kano that posted last night the Kano that some people seem to assume he is?

I think we should be told.

[Leithenhibby]

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I don't think he is Kano as in the ex player!

The poster seemed to be coming from the HoH side as opposed to BuyHibs but the lines are becoming less easy to see.

Is that not the same

Always thought that, Petrie Out, became Forever Hibernian, that's now, BuyHibs/HOH........

Just need some transparency, in what is becoming rather messy and confusing

[jacomo]

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Is that not the same

Always thought that, Petrie Out, became Forever Hibernian, that's now, BuyHibs/HOH........

Just need some transparency, in what is becoming rather messy and confusing

You're not the only one that's confused.

I looked at HoH's Facebook page for 1st time last night. All about the food bank collection this week, so I went back and looked at their statements etc. There was little to take issue with, to be honest - they are clearly disillusioned with Hibs and claim to be completely independent of any other group.

However, it seems that individuals within the group are making all sorts of claims about STF without any foundation to them at all. And Buy Hibs (or someone within that group) are acting as an echo chamber, repeating concerns about asset stripping without adding any substance.

[Leithenhibby]

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You're not the only one that's confused.

I looked at HoH's Facebook page for 1st time last night. All about the food bank collection this week, so I went back and looked at their statements etc. There was little to take issue with, to be honest - they are clearly disillusioned with Hibs and claim to be completely independent of any other group.

However, it seems that individuals within the group are making all sorts of claims about STF without any foundation to them at all. And Buy Hibs (or someone within that group) are acting as an echo chamber, repeating concerns about asset stripping without adding any substance.

Well, that's as clear as mud

[Golden Bear]

Reading between the lines, it looks to me as though Che Guevera would make the ideal business partner for the "activists" that are currently involved with Hands on Hibs/ Buy Hibs.

Come the Revolution everything will be fine.

[SunshineOnLeith]

BuyHibs have bad ideas, badly researched and badly proposed and communicated.

Hands on Hibs are a bunch of idiots.

So, being awful vs being stupid, that's the distinction.

[Caversham Green]

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BuyHibs have bad ideas, badly researched and badly proposed and communicated.

Hands on Hibs are a bunch of idiots.

So, being awful vs being stupid, that's the distinction.

Sadly true, and they're feeding off the fans' anger at the performances over the last few seasons.

They claim to be concerned about the future of the club but neither would have seen the light of day if we hadn't been relegated.

[The_Horde]

I think both buyhibs and HOH are doing a great job regardless of what people think of their ideas.

As long as both are there the hibs board are under pressure to perform.

That's a good thing in my book.

[brog]

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Is the kano that posted last night the Kano that some people seem to assume he is?

I think we should be told.

If you mean is he Paul Kane then I doubt it very much.

[Andy74]

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I think both buyhibs and HOH are doing a great job regardless of what people think of their ideas.

As long as both are there the hibs board are under pressure to perform.

That's a good thing in my book.

HoH are just slinging about lies and misinformation, that is not constuctively bringing anyone to task for performance.

BuyHibs I'm not sure have added anything either. We have, from about the time Leeann was first mentioned as coming to us, been told that the club were looking at proposals for the future of the club both in its management and in getting closer to the community. They held a survey and consultation nights before Buyhibs launched.

I think their timing has been bad as the focus this year should be on getting together to improve the team. They are beginning now to share some of this misinformation and accusations. Not helfpul I'd say.

The other thing I think they may have achieved is to ruin any future process that may otherwise have had a chance of working. They have shown the danger in fans trying to run things without the right expertise and they have glaringly highlighted the lack of appetite for people to throw money into a scheme to own the club.

[Dashing Bob S]

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Sadly true, and they're feeding off the fans' anger at the performances over the last few seasons.

They claim to be concerned about the future of the club but neither would have seen the light of day if we hadn't been relegated.

I disagree. I think it's wholly appropriate that there is a fans response to the last seven years. It might not be the realised, rational one that many of us would prefer, but I think these initiatives are better than nothing as they encourage others, who might take a more measured response, to come forward and state their case.

Apathy is far worse than activism (albeit misguided) at this point in the club's history.

[marinello59]

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I disagree. I think it's wholly appropriate that there is a fans response to the last seven years. It might not be the realised, rational one that many of us would prefer, but I think these initiatives are better than nothing as they encourage others, who might take a more measured response, to come forward and state their case.

Apathy is far worse than activism (albeit misguided) at this point in the club's history.

I totally agree and the way that Paul Kane stepped forward as a leader at the end of last season and the subsequent attempt by ForeverHibs to move things forward was admirable.
Unfortunately what we are seeing now form both HoH and BuyHibs is damaging in that it is causing disunity amongst the support. It almost looks as if some are deliberately trying to drive a wedge between different groups of supporters. Maybe somebody else will step forward but the way BuyHibs has conducted themselves will put plenty off fans involvement for good and that would be a real shame.

[Mikey]

Just for info..... for the sake of transparency, access to the BuyHibs account has been stopped and anyone from BuyHibs who wants to post on here should use their own hibs.net account.

[The Falcon]

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I disagree. I think it's wholly appropriate that there is a fans response to the last seven years. It might not be the realised, rational one that many of us would prefer, but I think these initiatives are better than nothing as they encourage others, who might take a more measured response, to come forward and state their case.

Apathy is far worse than activism (albeit misguided) at this point in the club's history.

A response is one thing Bob, downright abuse is something else.

[HFC 0-7]

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HoH are just slinging about lies and misinformation, that is not constuctively bringing anyone to task for performance.

BuyHibs I'm not sure have added anything either. We have, from about the time Leeann was first mentioned as coming to us, been told that the club were looking at proposals for the future of the club both in its management and in getting closer to the community. They held a survey and consultation nights before Buyhibs launched.

I think their timing has been bad as the focus this year should be on getting together to improve the team. They are beginning now to share some of this misinformation and accusations. Not helfpul I'd say.

The other thing I think they may have achieved is to ruin any future process that may otherwise have had a chance of working. They have shown the danger in fans trying to run things without the right expertise and they have glaringly highlighted the lack of appetite for people to throw money into a scheme to own the club.

andy, I don't think there is any other time that they could have started it. There is never a good time as there is always a focus on something whether it be getting results or rebuilding during the close season. You are right, plenty of misinformation and lies, however I do think it is putting pressure on the board to change things for the better as these groups will pounce on anything that goes wrong.

[marinello59]

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andy, I don't think there is any other time that they could have started it. There is never a good time as there is always a focus on something whether it be getting results or rebuilding during the close season. You are right, plenty of misinformation and lies, however I do think it is putting pressure on the board to change things for the better as these groups will pounce on anything that goes wrong.

They have moved beyond pouncing on things that go wrong though and are simply making things up.

[blackpoolhibs]

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andy, I don't think there is any other time that they could have started it. There is never a good time as there is always a focus on something whether it be getting results or rebuilding during the close season. You are right, plenty of misinformation and lies, however I do think it is putting pressure on the board to change things for the better as these groups will pounce on anything that goes wrong.

I agree, if ever there was a right time this was it, but each and every one of them have blown it because of their lies and misinformation.

I also think they have made it harder now for anyone else to come in.

[Caversham Green]

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I disagree. I think it's wholly appropriate that there is a fans response to the last seven years. It might not be the realised, rational one that many of us would prefer, but I think these initiatives are better than nothing as they encourage others, who might take a more measured response, to come forward and state their case.

Apathy is far worse than activism (albeit misguided) at this point in the club's history.

Some of that is almost the point I was trying to make. There's no doubt a change in the management structure was necessary and urgent - that was acted on before relegation seemed a real threat. A change in ownership was also arguably desirable and I would have welcomed the right people taking the right action to make that change. However it wasn't (and still isn't) urgent and the emergence of a reactionary pressure group has dealt considerable damage to the prospect of finding the right people. Meanwhile what looks increasingly like the wrong people have gone off half-cocked and dealt a bit more damage to the cause.

What is happening at the club was planned well before the fact of relegation and would have gone through even if the club had appointed a competent management team to replace Pat Fenlon. That was addressing the immediate problem, the ownership issue is not really a direct problem - these groups are firing at the wrong duck and the right duck is already down on the ground.

All IMHO of course.

[silverhibee]

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I agree, if ever there was a right time this was it, but each and every one of them have blown it because of their lies and misinformation.

I also think they have made it harder now for anyone else to come in.

Don't forget about Dick, made some mistakes at the start but is still lurking in the background and hasn't went away.

[RIP]

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A response is one thing Bob, downright abuse is something else.

And if you speak out about the abuse you get targeted by the bully boys and falsely accused of being a BuyHibs apologist. I'm with Dashing Bob. We need to treat each other more kindly and start working to bring all fans together.

GGTTH.

[Gerard]

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And if you speak out about the abuse you get targeted by the bully boys and falsely accused of being a BuyHibs apologist. I'm with Dashing Bob. We need to treat each other more kindly and start working to bring all fans together.

GGTTH.

I agree with this poster as we are all part of the Hibernian Family and want to see a football team that is successful and plays exciting football. The more that we discuss the issues that matter with the Hibernian Family the better chance we will have of making our club a sucessful football club again.