#hibileaks/Hands On Hibs/BuyHibs (Merged)

[Phil D. Rolls]

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Even one piece of something would be nice just so we could tear it apart. I want Farmer and Petrie out, but making things up is just daft. I mean as if the current plight we are in is not enough?

And Just what is McNamara is thinking here?

Got you, tbh Jackie has never struck me as much of a thinker.

[southsider]

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Got you, tbh Jackie has never struck me as much of a thinker.

How can you say that ? Do you know him ? I do and he can debate on ANYTHING. Clever guy and proud he is my friend.

[Peevemor]

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Got you, tbh Jackie has never struck me as much of a thinker.

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How can you say that ? Do you know him ? I do and he can debate on ANYTHING. Clever guy and proud he is my friend.

I was going to say the same thing. I don't know him personally but he's always struck me as a bright guy, even though I disagree with some of the pot shots he's had at Hibs in recent years.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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How can you say that ? Do you know him ? I do and he can debate on ANYTHING. Clever guy and proud he is my friend.

Good for you.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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I was going to say the same thing. I don't know him personally but he's always struck me as a bright guy, even though I disagree with some of the pot shots he's had at Hibs in recent years.

Ok, how bright has he come across in this latest skirmish?

[Peevemor]

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Ok, how bright has he come across in this latest skirmish?

I'm sure I'm not the only one to be a bit surprised. In saying that, ever since he was emptied along with Duff Jimmy he hasn't been slow to have a snipe at those running the club whenever the opportunity arises.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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I'm sure I'm not the only one to be a bit surprised. In saying that, ever since he was emptied along with Duff Jimmy he hasn't been slow to have a snipe at those running the club whenever the opportunity arises.

Tbh it's this stuff about millions getting siphoned out of the club, without an iota of evidence, that's done it for me. Either, he's very clever playing a game that no one can see through, or he's a patsy being used because some people won't question him.

[jdships]

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Tbh it's this stuff about millions getting siphoned out of the club, without an iota of evidence, that's done it for me. Either, he's very clever playing a game that no one can see through, or he's a patsy being used because some people won't question him.

Have stayed out of the " debate" given we have yet to be given "real facts" - up to now it has been " spin,spin,spin"
However picking up on your point with which I totally agree where exactly are these people going /what exactly do they have to offer that is any way sustainable ?

" Answers on a postcard to..... "

[Bishop Hibee]

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And should any new prospective owner looking in expect the same if things don't go the way these folk want?

Seems to me he has refused to hand over the club for hee haw as they dont have a pot to p in, and they're no happy.

If any prospective owner thinks they can run Hibs without scrutiny and cause Hibs harm then yes.

I don't agree with the unsubstantiated allegatiions that Hands on Hibs are making but they have a right to protest. The way Hibs have been run is a disgrace and the absentee owner should tell the fans his long term plans for Hibs if a buyer isn't found that fits his criteria.

[The Falcon]

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If any prospective owner thinks they can run Hibs without scrutiny and cause Hibs harm then yes.

I don't agree with the unsubstantiated allegatiions that Hands on Hibs are making but they have a right to protest. The way Hibs have been run is a disgrace and the absentee owner should tell the fans his long term plans for Hibs if a buyer isn't found that fits his criteria.

The absentee owner has now owned Hibs longer than anyone since Harry Swan sold Hibs to William Harrower over half a century ago and his association with Hibs, after scrutiny by some of the accountants on this board, has cost him (well?) over £8m. He will leave us in better condition than he found us.

The reason Hibs have an AGM is to allow such scrutiny to take place and if there is evidence the allegations that have been made are accurate then let's see it. I could be wrong but given the overwhelming majority of the owners shareholding I would guess he could avoid it without too much difficulty if he had anything to hide.

[greenginger]

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Got you, tbh Jackie has never struck me as much of a thinker.

I've known Jackie since his playing days at Easter Road and he is a good guy and definitely not stupid.

I think he lets his personal politics dictate the way he sees things. IIRC his dad was in the communist party hierarchy back in the 60's and I think some of it rubbed off.

Result - Capitalist STF must be stealing from the proletariat

[blackpoolhibs]

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The absentee owner has now owned Hibs longer than anyone since Harry Swan sold Hibs to William Harrower over half a century ago and his association with Hibs, after scrutiny by some of the accountants on this board, has cost him (well?) over £8m. He will leave us in better condition than he found us.

The reason Hibs have an AGM is to allow such scrutiny to take place and if there is evidence the allegations that have been made are accurate then let's see it. I could be wrong but given the overwhelming majority of the owners shareholding I would guess he could avoid it without too much difficulty if he had anything to hide.

Hardly a difficult task from a man of his wealth. Yes we have a new ground and a new training centre, but it really all boils down to what the product on the park produces.

If anyone thinks winning a few games in the championship makes up for what's been on the park for the last 6-7 seasons, then the clubs spin really has worked?

I have seen Hibs win 3 league cups, 2 Drybourgh cups and regularly beat both halves of the old firm and own that crowd over the other side of the city. Not once did i worry about where we trained or what i was standing in to watch that.

Yes its nice we have these new facilities and football has moved on, but most clubs have done similar over the years too. If we had a team worthy of these facilities we'd all be a lot happier, but the main reason we go along to Easter Road every other week is to watch the team, and thats been way down in the list of priorities of the club in my opinion.

I never expect to see Hibs play in the Championship, under any owner.

[Vini1875]

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Hardly a difficult task from a man of his wealth. Yes we have a new ground and a new training centre, but it really all boils down to what the product on the park produces.

If anyone thinks winning a few games in the championship makes up for what's been on the park for the last 6-7 seasons, then the clubs spin really has worked?

I have seen Hibs win 3 league cups, 2 Drybourgh cups and regularly beat both halves of the old firm and own that crowd over the other side of the city. Not once did i worry about where we trained or what i was standing in to watch that.

Yes its nice we have these new facilities and football has moved on, but most clubs have done similar over the years too. If we had a team worthy of these facilities we'd all be a lot happier, but the main reason we go along to Easter Road every other week is to watch the team, and thats been way down in the list of priorities of the club in my opinion.

I never expect to see Hibs play in the Championship, under any owner.

Correct, absolutely agree.

However the owner does have some duty towards the fans, even if he simply says Hibs have to self sufficient as I am not going to put any of my personal wealth into the club and that the club is up for sale to anyone who can do better than me and insure the club remains in a sound financial state for the community.

It may be that over the years he has said that, but with the natives restless it's time for a clarity statement from the club/owner.

[The Falcon]

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I never expect to see Hibs play in the Championship, under any owner.

I don't disagree but my original point was that any owner, new or otherwise, will be treated the same if results are not to our satisfaction?

Hardly an encouragement for any potential suitors.

[greenginger]

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Hardly a difficult task from a man of his wealth. Yes we have a new ground and a new training centre, but it really all boils down to what the product on the park produces.

If anyone thinks winning a few games in the championship makes up for what's been on the park for the last 6-7 seasons, then the clubs spin really has worked?

I have seen Hibs win 3 league cups, 2 Drybourgh cups and regularly beat both halves of the old firm and own that crowd over the other side of the city. Not once did i worry about where we trained or what i was standing in to watch that.

Yes its nice we have these new facilities and football has moved on, but most clubs have done similar over the years too. If we had a team worthy of these facilities we'd all be a lot happier, but the main reason we go along to Easter Road every other week is to watch the team, and thats been way down in the list of priorities of the club in my opinion.

I never expect to see Hibs play in the Championship, under any owner.

I don't think the team was actually far down on the list of the Club's priorities, it just they did'nt have a clue as how to improve things on the pitch.

Probably the worst thing to happen was Petrie getting lucky when he appointed Mowbray and a team falling into place.

Must have thought himself a genius and this football game easy. That lead to Collins, Mixu, Yogi, etc. and Petrie's big problem was not only did he not understand the dynamics of a football club , he did'nt know how to support his manager.

That meant if things got tough , the manager could'nt go to the Chairman and get the support, comfort ,encouragement that would normally come from a club chairman.

Hopefully things are improving with Stubbs and the new management team, but Petrie needs to resign as Club Chairman ASAP. and plans for post STF ownership explained, if this HoH nonsense is to be countered.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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I've known Jackie since his playing days at Easter Road and he is a good guy and definitely not stupid.

I think he lets his personal politics dictate the way he sees things. IIRC his dad was in the communist party hierarchy back in the 60's and I think some of it rubbed off.

Result - Capitalist STF must be stealing from the proletariat

Hes one of the all time greats for me. But, if he's not stupid, he needs to stop saying stupid things.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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I don't disagree but my original point was that any owner, new or otherwise, will be treated the same if results are not to our satisfaction?

Hardly an encouragement for any potential suitors.

Totally lost on these bozos, with their replica training gear and catchy slogans about tires. Maybe they're in the wrong business?

[Cabbage East]

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Hardly a difficult task from a man of his wealth. Yes we have a new ground and a new training centre, but it really all boils down to what the product on the park produces.

If anyone thinks winning a few games in the championship makes up for what's been on the park for the last 6-7 seasons, then the clubs spin really has worked?

I have seen Hibs win 3 league cups, 2 Drybourgh cups and regularly beat both halves of the old firm and own that crowd over the other side of the city. Not once did i worry about where we trained or what i was standing in to watch that.

Yes its nice we have these new facilities and football has moved on, but most clubs have done similar over the years too. If we had a team worthy of these facilities we'd all be a lot happier, but the main reason we go along to Easter Road every other week is to watch the team, and thats been way down in the list of priorities of the club in my opinion.

I never expect to see Hibs play in the Championship, under any owner.

Belter of a post. Spot on mate.

[WHUHibs]

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Hes one of the all time greats for me. But, if he's not stupid, he needs to stop saying stupid things.

What did Jackie say and where is it substantiated ? Is it here say from one supporter?
I haven't read any direct quotes in the press perhaps I missed it?

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1. It's not hearsay it was directly reported by GG, evidenced by his own eyes.

2. It's quite amusing to see a request for substantiation in a thread which is all about unsubstantiated claims.

[WHUHibs]

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1. It's not hearsay it was directly reported by GG, evidenced by his own eyes.

2. It's quite amusing to see a request for substantiation in a thread which is all about unsubstantiated claims.

I don't agree with HOH for a start. However, everyone is basing an opinion on JM on one person?

[Peevemor]

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I don't agree with HOH for a start. However, everyone is basing an opinion on JM on one person?

I'm not.

[WHUHibs]

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I'm not.

So what are you basing it on?

[Peevemor]

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So what are you basing it on?

Jackie MacNamara was one of my first Hibs heroes. I've met him a few times and always found him to be a good guy. I posted earlier in the thread that he's anything but stupid. I also posted earlier in the thread that since he was emptied along with Jim Duffy he seems to have had a lot of negative things to say about the way that Hibs are run. I got the dissappointing impression that he became a bit of a rent-a-gob when the papers were looking for negative comments about Hibs.

[WHUHibs]

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Jackie MacNamara was one of my first Hibs heroes. I've met him a few times and always found him to be a good guy. I posted earlier in the thread that he's anything but stupid. I also posted earlier in the thread that since he was emptied along with Jim Duffy he seems to have had a lot of negative things to say about the way that Hibs are run. I got the dissappointing impression that he became a bit of a rent-a-gob when the papers were looking for negative comments about Hibs.

I think that's a shame as I have also met him on occasions and have found him a nice and open guy. If an employer does dismiss you then perhaps you can feel a little perturbed but perhaps he feels as an ex player he has a right to voice an opinion. Perhaps you and I who haven't worked in the club as a player have less of an insight than that a former player. Any former player who has an opinion either positive or negative gets my ear as they know more about the workings on the club that I do.

[blackpoolhibs]

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I think that's a shame as I have also met him on occasions and have found him a nice and open guy. If an employer does dismiss you then perhaps you can feel a little perturbed but perhaps he feels as an ex player he has a right to voice an opinion. Perhaps you and I who haven't worked in the club as a player have less of an insight than that a former player. Any former player who has an opinion either positive or negative gets my ear as they know more about the workings on the club that I do.

My problem with Jackie is, if he's attaching himself to these folk who have been spreading what is in all honesty bull****, then any credibility he has will quickly evaporate?

Nobody in their right mind can take what they are saying seriously, its true that most folk want change but just making lies up and then refusing to answer those lies is just plain stupidity.

[WHUHibs]

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My problem with Jackie is, if he's attaching himself to these folk who have been spreading what is in all honesty bull****, then any credibility he has will quickly evaporate?

Nobody in their right mind can take what they are saying seriously, its true that most folk want change but just making lies up and then refusing to answer those lies is just plain stupidity.

Fair comment,,

[greenginger]

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My problem with Jackie is, if he's attaching himself to these folk who have been spreading what is in all honesty bull****, then any credibility he has will quickly evaporate?

Nobody in their right mind can take what they are saying seriously, its true that most folk want change but just making lies up and then refusing to answer those lies is just plain stupidity.

Don't know about that. That was the ways revolutions started in the 60's. The bigger the lie , the easier it is believed by dissatisfied people, break things up and see how the pieces fall and make sure you are in the right place when the dust settles.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Don't know about that. That was the ways revolutions started in the 60's. The bigger the lie , the easier it is believed by dissatisfied people, break things up and see how the pieces fall and make sure you are in the right place when the dust settles.

People are not so daft these days, and all the evidence is out there at the end of each and every persons finger tips.

What this lot who call themselves hibileaks are saying is so easily ripped apart for arse paper, anyone who believes it is basically dead from the neck up.

Next they will be telling us the moon landings were staged and filmed in a large barn in Texas.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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I think that's a shame as I have also met him on occasions and have found him a nice and open guy. If an employer does dismiss you then perhaps you can feel a little perturbed but perhaps he feels as an ex player he has a right to voice an opinion. Perhaps you and I who haven't worked in the club as a player have less of an insight than that a former player. Any former player who has an opinion either positive or negative gets my ear as they know more about the workings on the club that I do.

If he said the stuff that he is reported to have said, would it make him a) wise b) foolish? We can speculate all night about his mindset, we can all give our own opinion on the alleged words in an instant.

Not getting at you sir, but it seems to be a constant in these threads for somebody to come on and tell us how we have misinterpreted something. (You didn't do this) but its usually something completely emotive like "Jackie is my pal, and I trust him - so there's all the proof you need".

Buried in all this a growing impression that HOH are a bunch of ill informed individuals, who are making things up about Hibs, and are beyond the normal rule of the law, or indeed logic.

Just for the record, he wasn't giving his opinion, he was alleged to be passing off facts to canvass support for his pressure group. He's not been speaking as a neutral, and it seems he's not being paying close attention to the facts.