Scottish Independence

[snooky]

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Yeh about that figure, I've not looked at the exact dates. Not a bad percentage really is it? :)

Question 2: How frequently would Scotland get the party it voted for if it was independent? 70%?

[over the line]

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I just based it off the full years (13/20) so may be a bit off. It's not a great percentage either though, is it?

Oh I don't know, I think its a pretty good percentage (75, 70 or 65%) People vote for the Green party and Lib Dems and never get their way do they? (Not including the 'coalition', because the its just the Tories in reality isn't it?).

[Bristolhibby]

A a democrat, this is the overarching reason for voting Yes. It may make things difficult down here for me, but I believe it will force England (& Wales) to wake up to what it has become and galvanise the opposition.

It may IMO split the Tories as they individual MPs believe they can become big fish in right wing parties like UKIP.

Big changes are a comin' and it all hinges on the vote on the 18th.

J

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Question 2: How frequently would Scotland get the party it voted for if it was independent? 70%?

But that is assuming all of Scotland wants the same, which it obviously doesn't. There are always going to be winners and losers, no one gets exactly what they want all the time.

[snooky]

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But that is assuming all of Scotland wants the same, which it obviously doesn't. There are always going to be winners and losers, no one gets exactly what they want all the time.

You ol' weasel you
The country of Scotland democratically would get the government it votes for.
Nice try though

[danhibees1875]

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Oh I don't know, I think its a pretty good percentage (75, 70 or 65%) People vote for the Green party and Lib Dems and never get their way do they? (Not including the 'coalition', because the its just the Tories in reality isn't it?).

I see where you're coming from but for me that's a similar argument to that of many people in the north of England not voting Tory either. It's not about an independent individual, household or city. It's about Scotland as a collective nation.

I suppose the back and forthing of the debate is because it's a subjective matter and boils down to whether you'd rather see Scotland as a country or part of a country.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Oh I don't know, I think its a pretty good percentage (75, 70 or 65%) People vote for the Green party and Lib Dems and never get their way do they? (Not including the 'coalition', because the its just the Tories in reality isn't it?).

Jesus wept. Look at the ****** picture! Picking 20 years is just hacking off the wee bit at the end that suits your argument. Post-war it's 30/68 = 44%, ie. woeful.

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Jesus wept. Look at the ****** picture! Picking 20 years is just hacking off the wee bit at the end that suits your argument. Post-war it's 30/68 = 44%, ie. woeful.

I'm not sure that Jesus would weep over this like? But anyway, I was commenting on a post that was looking at the last 20 years. I don't know what the maths is for the last 300 years, but where do we draw the line? Plus 44% (if that I'd an accurate figure) is not that far off 50% is it, not exactly woeful is it?

[Stranraer]

Jim Murphy's outstanding performance in Dundee is sure to go viral

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcOjBeyAaWQ

[CapitalGreen]

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I'm not sure that Jesus would weep over this like? But anyway, I was commenting on a post that was looking at the last 20 years. I don't know what the maths is for the last 300 years, but where do we draw the line? Plus 44% (if that I'd an accurate figure) is not that far off 50% is it, not exactly woeful is it?

A democratic country should get the government it votes for 100% of time, anything less is woeful.

[Bristolhibby]

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A democratic country should get the government it votes for 100% of time, anything less is woeful.

House of Lords, need I say more.

Donate enough money to a party become a Lord. No campaigning, no election, no democracy.

The House of Lords is an affront to democracy. Scotland has a chance to grasp democracy and keep it.

First Past The Post sucks too while I'm at it.

J

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A democratic country should get the government it votes for 100% of time, anything less is woeful.

Hands up who voted for a coalition?

No one ever gets their own way all the time.

[CapitalGreen]

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House of Lords, need I say more.

Donate enough money to a party become a Lord. No campaigning, no election, no democracy.

The House of Lords is an affront to democracy. Scotland has a chance to grasp democracy and keep it.

First Past The Post sucks too while I'm at it.

J

Or alternatively:

Be born, become a Lord.

[CapitalGreen]

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Hands up who voted for a coalition?

No one ever gets their own way all the time.

You're struggling with this again aren't you.

It's about collective wants, not individual wants.

[Bristolhibby]

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Or alternatively:

Be born, become a Lord.

Thankfully no more, but there's enough of them still there.

Also WTF are the Bishops in the House of Lords all about? Who do those ****ers represent? Not me!

From the Church of England website.

"There is no 'Bishops' Party' and as non-aligned members, their activities in the Upper House are not whipped.

Like other members of the Lords, they do not represent a parliamentary constituency, although their work is often closely informed by their diocesan role.

They sit as individual Lords Spiritual, and as such they have much in common with the independent Crossbenchers and those who are not party-affiliated.

Their presence in the Lords is an extension of their general vocation as bishops to preach God's word and to lead people in prayer. Bishops provide an important independent voice and spiritual insight to the work of the Upper House and, while they make no claims to direct representation, they seek to be a voice for all people of faith, not just Christians."

I'm sorry chums, GTF!

J

[Beefster]

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Jesus wept. Look at the ****** picture! Picking 20 years is just hacking off the wee bit at the end that suits your argument. Post-war it's 30/68 = 44%, ie. woeful.

You seem to be becoming increasingly hysterical in the past few days, JMS. Not like you at all (and I'm not trying to wind you up).

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A democratic country should get the government it votes for 100% of time, anything less is woeful.

You do know who votes in the UK general election, right?

Incidentally, the majority of Scots didn't want an SNP majority in 2011. Woeful.

[speedy_gonzales]

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The country of Scotland democratically would get the government it votes for.

Much like the UK gets the government it votes for, and no doubt deserves?

That's the thing with democracy, it's all fair until we get something we don't want, then it's not!

As Charles the 1st said, "Democracy is the power of equal votes for unequal minds",,,,sounds like something Johann Lamont would mumble

[sauzee_4]

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Jim Murphy's outstanding performance in Dundee is sure to go viral

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcOjBeyAaWQ

Think the heckling is a shame here. People are allowed to give their opinion and this Jim Murphy chap should be allowed a bit more respect i think

Seperate question:
Why did the UK reject voting reforms a few years back?

[Bristolhibby]

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Think the heckling is a shame here. People are allowed to give their opinion and this Jim Murphy chap should be allowed a bit more respect i think

Seperate question:
Why did the UK reject voting reforms a few years back?

Re the voting reforms. IMO it was to keep the status quo. And PR wasn't in the table. It would have lead to lore consensus politics (what we need IMO), that scared the big two who both need their moments (5 years) in the limelight.

J

[JeMeSouviens]

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You seem to be becoming increasingly hysterical in the past few days, JMS. Not like you at all (and I'm not trying to wind you up).



You do know who votes in the UK general election, right?

Incidentally, the majority of Scots didn't want an SNP majority in 2011. Woeful.

I'm not sure about hysterical, irritable maybe? You've been a tad tetchy at times too if we're going to get pass remarkable. ;-)

[JeMeSouviens]

Survation poll coming out.

Y 47 (+4)
N 53 (-4)

Equals but not better than Survation's previous high for Y.

[over the line]

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You're struggling with this again aren't you.

It's about collective wants, not individual wants.

So did the 'collective' vote for a coalition then?

Do we vote as a collective, or is it an individual choice?

[CapitalGreen]

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So did the 'collective' vote for a coalition then?

Do we vote as a collective, or is it an individual choice?

Point me in the direction of somebody complaining they don't get their individual choice all of the time.

[over the line]

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Point me in the direction of somebody complaining they don't get their individual choice all of the time.

Exactly my point. I'm glad we agree. :)

[danhibees1875]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...an-rights.html

Possible delay on the vote until it's decided if expats should be allowed to vote according to this. (Just found it on Facebook, so apologies if it's wrong/ out of date).

[Peevemor]

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...an-rights.html

Possible delay on the vote until it's decided if expats should be allowed to vote according to this. (Just found it on Facebook, so apologies if it's wrong/ out of date).

That's just wrong. I left Scotland 10 years ago and see no valid reason why I should have the right to vote in the referendum.

However I don't have the right to vote here and that really p***es me off !

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[snooky]

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House of Lords, need I say more.

Donate enough money to a party become a Lord. No campaigning, no election, no democracy.

The House of Lords is an affront to democracy. Scotland has a chance to grasp democracy and keep it.

First Past The Post sucks too while I'm at it.

J

No you don't.
IMO, getting shot of that den of unelected poseurs is worth a 'yes' vote in itself.

[Stranraer]

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Think the heckling is a shame here. People are allowed to give their opinion and this Jim Murphy chap should be allowed a bit more respect i think

Seperate question:
Why did the UK reject voting reforms a few years back?

Maybe but I can completely understand why people don't respect a man with a voting record like his.

Also, I voted for AV but I don't know why it was rejected, maybe because FPTP is easier to understand.

[WindyMiller]

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...an-rights.html

Possible delay on the vote until it's decided if expats should be allowed to vote according to this. (Just found it on Facebook, so apologies if it's wrong/ out of date).

29th April mate.