Share Transfers Agreed/Cooling off period

[marinello59]

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]The only people who think Salmonds intervention was unfair are Hibs fans[/B]?

Perhaps, but that's because the media totally shied away and did not report in full the extent of their cheating, no mention anywhere about the poor sods they ripped off, I feel this may come out in the wash through time but will the media cover it?

As soon as that fat tw&t picks up the phone it's a done deal?

A con man, just like the stinking team he supports.

I have said this before. Unlike in the case of Rangers the only fans who really wanted Hearts to go totally bust were Hibs fans. That's nothing to do with the reporting of the case and everything to do with the nature of football rivalry.
Salmond is not the villain in this story. Vladimir Romanov and his henchmen were the bad guys. I hate sticking up for Salmond.)

[marti1875]

What i'm now curious about is that BJ was always bleating on about running out of money by the end of April.
Now, miraculously, there's no mention whatsoever of any cashflow problems at all, nothing! BJ has said it could be mid June at the earliest before they can exit administration so how come they seem to suddenly have enough money to survive until then? Have i missed something along the lines and they've found money from somewhere or has BJ been very elaborate with the truth and just been playing games?

[marinello59]

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Hey M59, he's not so fat now you know, been on a diet

He's still a ****ing Jambo though.

[Berwickhibby]

[QUOTE=allmodcons;3989439]Public record because it said so in the newspapers? How gullible are you?

That aside, where does it say he met with the Lithuanian President?

Do you seriously believe that Scotland's First Minister (a few months short of a historic vote on Independence) would offer inducements to another country's President in order to save Hearts from liquidation?

Easy target for you to vent your spleen because he's a "****ing fat Jambo" rite

Are you one of those Cyber Nats? because you have had a pop at me for having a personal opinion, which appears to be shared by others : 1. my terms of reference for information is the News and Newspapers..... so I am gulliable
2. It was made public in the media that Salmond had been in dialog with the Lithuanian Ambassador and president, I was not present, I was not privy to any conversation. However things appeared to accelerate after he appeared on TV saying he had spoken with these people.
3. I did not state that he HAD offered any inducement, read it again its says "Who knows if any promises or inducements ......."

I hold a personal opinion, which is my right..... I respect other peoples opinions and if necessary I will agree to disagree, but you appear unable to accept this. Oh again on a personal note I do not like Alex Salmond and this was just further examples why he would never get my vote.

[allmodcons]

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He's still a ****ing Jambo though.

[EdinMike]

Oh God, this is going to turn into a Yes/No vote bicker again isn't it ?!

[Berwickhibby]

Not a Yes or NO bicker from me, just a personal opinion that I believe that Alex Salmond intervened to assist with the sale of the Jambos and their CVA......

[Keith_M]

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My view is the big L could still happen.

Based on what?

[allmodcons]

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Are you one of those Cyber Nats? because you have had a pop at me for having a personal opinion, which appears to be shared by others : 1. my terms of reference for information is the News and Newspapers..... so I am gulliable
2. It was made public in the media that Salmond had been in dialog with the Lithuanian Ambassador and president, I was not present, I was not privy to any conversation. However things appeared to accelerate after he appeared on TV saying he had spoken with these people.
3. I did not state that he HAD offered any inducement, read it again its says "Who knows if any promises or inducements ......."

I hold a personal opinion, which is my right..... I respect other peoples opinions and if necessary I will agree to disagree, but you appear unable to accept this. Oh again on a personal note I do not like Alex Salmond and this was just further examples why he would never get my vote.

You are correct, I am one of those nasty CyberNats that you read about in the newspapers (daily mail et al)

You post (on a public forum) what, for me, is a pretty ridiculous opinion on the Yams avoiding liquidation and then complain when I choose to disagree with you. Is this not how a public forum is supposed to work?

On a personal note, I couldn't give a toss who you vote for, that's for the Holy Ground. I was merely making the point that this situation was not of Alex Salmond's making.

[HFC 0-7]

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I have said this before. Unlike in the case of Rangers the only fans who really wanted Hearts to go totally bust were Hibs fans. That's nothing to do with the reporting of the case and everything to do with the nature of football rivalry.
Salmond is not the villain in this story. Vladimir Romanov and his henchmen were the bad guys. I hate sticking up for Salmond.)

Salmond shouldn't be trying to help or getting involved with any business that has CHOSEN not to pay taxes etc. plenty other business's in Scotland who have fallen on hard times because of things like the recession never got the same help.

[GreenLake]

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I think that the article has confirmed that during the cooling off period there were no objection to CVA and shares being sold to Ann Budge, which goes to prove one thing that if you steal from charities including the poppy appeal (RBL), fail to pay millions in tax (PAYE) fail to pay local taxes, The Police, small businesses, borrow millions from Foreign Pension funds, steal alleged share monies from your own fans, (where's the certificates) employ convicted Pedophiles all that happens is a 15 point deduction..... justice eh!!

My own personal opinion was that the Big L was about to happen until that twat Alex Salmond intervened at the last minute......

He intervened successfully but it would be interesting to discover if it was due to him speaking to them or giving to them, and if the latter, what exactly were they given.

[weecounty hibby]

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Public record mate, it was stated in enough Newspapers that he had been in contact with them, also added a wee cavet that he would have done the same for any Scottish Football team..... Bu11**** again in my opinion

The bit in bold and underlined...... He actually lobbied to try to help out both the Huns and Dunfie, so personally I believe what he says there.

[Weststandwanab]

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Stop giving us hope. Sergey and others were adamant that they'd be liquidated a couple of weeks ago.

It is only my opinion, if you see that as hope fair enough.

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This month last year Shirley?

It was but h.m.r.c. agreed to trial it for a year with no enforcement for non compliance. That ran out on 6thApril 2014

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I trust politicians as much as I trust lawyers.

But do you trust Politicians who are Lawyers ?

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Based on what?

please see above.

[CropleyWasGod]

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It was but h.m.r.c. agreed to trial it for a year with no enforcement for non compliance. That ran out on 6thApril 2014

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Extended until October.

[Gus Fring]

A few points need clearing up it seems.

1) Alex Salmond was not a factor in the decision. In fact the decision to ratify the shares came as much as a shock to Hearts and BDO as it did the rest of us.

2) Hearts could still be liquidated if the process lingers on for too long. Its unlikely but not impossible.

3) FOH and Budge are currently looking in to ways of helping Hearts financially now that a deal is all but completed. They couldn't do it before whilst there was no agreement in place but once that's all been made official they can.

4) The deal was NEVER going to be finished by Monday. That was media spin to give the Yams hope had we beaten them on Sunday. It wasn't needed in the end.

[Weststandwanab]

October 2014 ?

[hibee_nation]

All it takes is one phone call from big Eck and it is a done deal, how lucky we are to have such a man in charge of our country. Just imagine the phone calls to London after we vote AYE. First on the shopping list will be we are having Berwick back.

[CropleyWasGod]

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October 2014 ?

Yup.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/h...-rti-penalties

[Spike Mandela]

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A few points need clearing up it seems.

1) Alex Salmond was not a factor in the decision. In fact the decision to ratify the shares came as much as a shock to Hearts and BDO as it did the rest of us.

2) Hearts could still be liquidated if the process lingers on for too long. Its unlikely but not impossible.

3) FOH and Budge are currently looking in to ways of helping Hearts financially now that a deal is all but completed. They couldn't do it before whilst there was no agreement in place but once that's all been made official they can.

4) The deal was NEVER going to be finished by Monday. That was media spin to give the Yams hope had we beaten them on Sunday. It wasn't needed in the end.

What about frozen shares? Nothing mentioned in the Hearts/FoH bunker then?

[Keith_M]

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It is only my opinion, if you see that as hope fair enough.

.................

please see above.

So based on nothing but wishful thinking, in spite of all available evidence to the contrary.


Fair enough, you're entitled to your view, no matter how illogical.

[One Day Soon]

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Public record because it said so in the newspapers? How gullible are you?

That aside, where does it say he met with the Lithuanian President?

Do you seriously believe that Scotland's First Minister (a few months short of a historic vote on Independence) would offer inducements to another country's President in order to save Hearts from liquidation?

Easy target for you to vent your spleen because he's a "****ing fat Jambo" right?

Since he's just expressed his admiration for Putin's leadership of Russia (clearly the sovereignty of some nations, like Ukraine, is less important than others) I wouldn't place a lot of faith in his judgment about much else, even "a few months short of a historic vote on independence".

He's just supported Hearts walking away from debt in excess of £70 million. What's our quid pro quo? Zero.

There's a lot of businesses without say 40,000 supporters that would have liked the personal intervention of the First Minister during the last few years of the recession. Salmond and Murray - public servants, neither of whom represent Gorgie, but you'd be forgiven for assuming that they did.

[Keith_M]

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Since he's just expressed his admiration for Putin's leadership of Russia (clearly the sovereignty of some nations, like Ukraine, is less important than others) I wouldn't place a lot of faith in his judgment about much else, even "a few months short of a historic vote on independence".

Well done, you just fell into the trap of believing newspaper headlines without checking the actual details.

Please read the article again and see what it actually says.

[Weststandwanab]

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Yup.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/h...-rti-penalties

Thank you I did not know that.

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What about frozen shares? Nothing mentioned in the Hearts/FoH bunker then?

Indeed there is the crux of the problem.

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So based on nothing but wishful thinking, in spite of all available evidence to the contrary.


Fair enough, you're entitled to your view, no matter how illogical.

Apologies I did not make that clear. I believe, until the share certificates are actually delivered, they could still run out of money and if that is the case the big L looms.

[Keith_M]

Salmonds ACTUAL words on Putin were the result of a series of questions on his views on world leaders and other politicians. Incidentally, the actual interview took place before the situation in Crimea developed.


'Asked about Mr Putin, Mr Salmond said: "Well, obviously, I don't approve of a range of Russian actions, but I think Putin's more effective than the press he gets I would have thought, and you can see why he carries support in Russia."'

He called him 'effective' but dissaproves of many of his actions.

'Pressed on whether he admires the Russian leader, the First Minister said: "Certain aspects. He's restored a substantial part of Russian pride and that must be a good thing. There are aspects of Russian constitutionality and the inter-mesh with business and politics that are obviously difficult to admire. Russians are fantastic people, incidentally, they are lovely people."'

So, his admiration extends to certain aspects of Putin, as a politician. He does not at any point say he has unreserved admiration for him.

Herald

[allmodcons]

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Since he's just expressed his admiration for Putin's leadership of Russia (clearly the sovereignty of some nations, like Ukraine, is less important than others) I wouldn't place a lot of faith in his judgment about much else, even "a few months short of a historic vote on independence".

He's just supported Hearts walking away from debt in excess of £70 million. What's our quid pro quo? Zero.

There's a lot of businesses without say 40,000 supporters that would have liked the personal intervention of the First Minister during the last few years of the recession. Salmond and Murray - public servants, neither of whom represent Gorgie, but you'd be forgiven for assuming that they did.

That's some take on his comments regarding Putin ODS! A similar take to the front page of yesterday's Daily Mail.

With regard to other businesses, I think you'll find that most Governments do as much as they can to help ailing businesses.

[Keith_M]

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Apologies I did not make that clear. I believe, until the share certificates are actually delivered, they could still run out of money and if that is the case the big L looms.

OK, that's a bit different. However they don't seem to have mentioned running out of money again recently so I'm not convinced that's going to happen.


I personally think it's done and dusted and the only 'fly in the ointment' is they will most likely leave Administration too late to avoid a further points penalty.

[Gus Fring]

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What about frozen shares? Nothing mentioned in the Hearts/FoH bunker then?

Last I heard was Vlads arrest triggered something that allowed the transfer of his assets. I don't know the gory details though.

[Spike Mandela]

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Last I heard was Vlads arrest triggered something that allowed the transfer of his assets. I don't know the gory details though.

The arrest that wasn't an arrest. The cess pit gets murkier and murkier.

[hibbypostie]

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Salmonds ACTUAL words on Putin were the result of a series of questions on his views on world leaders and other politicians. Incidentally, the actual interview took place before the situation in Crimea developed.


'Asked about Mr Putin, Mr Salmond said: "Well, obviously, I don't approve of a range of Russian actions, but I think Putin's more effective than the press he gets I would have thought, and you can see why he carries support in Russia."'

He called him 'effective' but dissaproves of many of his actions.

'Pressed on whether he admires the Russian leader, the First Minister said: "Certain aspects. He's restored a substantial part of Russian pride and that must be a good thing. There are aspects of Russian constitutionality and the inter-mesh with business and politics that are obviously difficult to admire. Russians are fantastic people, incidentally, they are lovely people."'

So, his admiration extends to certain aspects of Putin, as a politician. He does not at any point say he has unreserved admiration for him.

Herald

now your just letting the facts ruin someone else's story

[Weststandwanab]

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OK, that's a bit different. However they don't seem to have mentioned running out of money again recently so I'm not convinced that's going to happen.


I personally think it's done and dusted and the only 'fly in the ointment' is they will most likely leave Administration too late to avoid a further points penalty.

They have not but May pay day looms and if the shares are not delivered by then they could be in soapy bubble.