Share Transfers Agreed/Cooling off period

[CropleyWasGod]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Sofa so good.

...since you couch it in those terms...

[Springbank]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

*Cough cough* '91

Top fact about Hibs 91 cup winning team : Dave Beaumont ended his career with more medals than Gary McKay, John Colquhoun, Walter Zico Kidd and Craig Levein put together

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

That's a top fact!

[Mr White]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

That's a top fact!

There's a similar one about neil orr...

[Leithenhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

There's a similar one about neil orr...

Dave Beaumont


I'm I not right in saying they never even kicked a ball in anger, in the 91 final.

[Mon Dieu4]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Dave Beaumont


I'm I not right in saying they never even kicked a ball in anger, in the 91 final.

Don't think he had ever played for us at all, had he not just signed and was on the bench?

[Mr White]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Dave Beaumont


I'm I not right in saying they never even kicked a ball in anger, in the 91 final.

Both unused subs.

[Leithenhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Don't think he had ever played for us at all, had he not just signed and was on the bench?

Yeah, that rings a bell.

He did go on to play 70 games for us, scoring 2

[Glory Lurker]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Don't think he had ever played for us at all, had he not just signed and was on the bench?

Correct. He must have thought he'd landed the dream move! "What will I win when I actually play?!?"

[Leithenhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Both unused subs.

I remember now

[FranckSuzy]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Where are the multi quote complainers ?

TBF, I think folk were just trying to point out that perhaps you don't really have to multi-quote repeatedly. I wouldn't think anyone would have an issue when it is used sporadically though

[GlasgowHibee]

keith jackson ‏@tedermeatballs 30m
Imagine if hearts weren't the only top flight club to be deducted points? How would that impact on the relegation issue? Just a thought.

If they weasel their way out of relegation then the game truly is a bogey.

[VivaHiberña]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

*Cough cough* '91

Woops, that's embarrassing. Not even a typo, just a complete brain fart.

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I'd suspected by your previous comments that you know nothing about the events of 1990 & 91. Thanks for confirming that with the comment above.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on the subject but I like to think I have a ok idea of what happened. I'm more than happy to be put right though, everyday's a school day.

Pray tell, oh wise one, WHY would Hibs have received the penalties you mentioned above for an Administration event if they did not even go into Administration? You seem to be perpetuating Yam fantasies of the events of the time, things that never happened.

A quick Google search informs me that I really didn't (and still don't really) know what receivership is but it will suffice to say I thought it to be a lot more like administration than it actually is. Hence the scenario I outlined. I now realise why that might have come across as nonsense.

That said, surely if the SFA are going to be tough on clubs that aren't careful financially Hibs would have been disciplined in some way, if we're going down that route? What about entering receivership? Although an act of necessity, the SFA can't be seen to let clubs get themselves into that sort of situation unpunished.

Perhaps the Hibs example was ill-thought, I was trying to frame the debate in a manner that would get people to see things a bit differently.

We're going off the original point though; I agree with Nando^TM that clubs need to be strongly disincentivised from being financially reckless and there have to be strong penalties for teams that attempt to shed debt in the way Hearts have done. However, the potential for destroying any club's chance at finding new investment as well as essentially punishing supporters that may (not in Hearts' case I realise) be totally blameless is not, in my view, the way to do things.

[jgl07]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I thought that was what financial fair play was all about. It obviously isn't working.

Financial Fair Play was never designed to stop teams from going bust. It was worked out by the former G14 clubs to protect their cartel and avoid any challenges from upstarts.

It would do very little about a club such as Hearts. The Yams would probably pass the FFP regulations over the past three years. You are allowed to lose 45 million Euros over three years study period. Plus all wages on pre-2010 player contracts can be disrearded for the 2010-2011 season. All spending on infrastructure and player development is also disregarded. Hearts have been losing around £7 million a year so would pass FFPR rather easily (if they had stayed out of administration.

Man United and Arsenal are up to their neck in debts but pass easily. Meanwhile Man City are totally debt free and are heading for prifitability in the current financial year but are under threat of sanctions. Also Liverpool, who failed FFPR are not being investigated because they were not competing in Europe this current season. Go figure!

[EuanH78]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

If they weasel their way out of relegation then the game truly is a bogey.

Chat doing the rounds is killie have had an improperly registered player and games involving him may suffer points deductions. Started with keith Jackson though so not convinced but others picking it up now too. Could get messy considering the danny wilson registration fudge at start of the season.

Dailly record back page tomorrow apparently.

Sent from my GT-I8190 using Tapatalk

[dangermouse]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Financial Fair Play was never designed to stop teams from going bust. It was worked out by the former G14 clubs to protect their cartel and avoid any challenges from upstarts.

It would do very little about a club such as Hearts. The Yams would probably pass the FFP regulations over the past three years. You are allowed to lose 45 million Euros over three years study period. Plus all wages on pre-2010 player contracts can be disrearded for the 2010-2011 season. All spending on infrastructure and player development is also disregarded. Hearts have been losing around £7 million a year so would pass FFPR rather easily (if they had stayed out of administration.

Man United and Arsenal are up to their neck in debts but pass easily. Meanwhile Man City are totally debt free and are heading for prifitability in the current financial year but are under threat of sanctions. Also Liverpool, who failed FFPR are not being investigated because they were not competing in Europe this current season. Go figure!

That'll be the Tory Party of football allowing the rich to get richer at the expense of the poor. Wonder why they called it Financial Fair Play when it obviously isn't.

[SurferRosa]

Barry doesn`t seem to think the shares need released by a court. Done and dusted by the end of next week apparently...


http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...over-1-3386835

[Waxy]

Whats the odds on a Hibs derby win and opposition against the share transfer both on the same day?

[Keith_M]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Whats the odds on a Hibs derby win and opposition against the share transfer both on the same day?

At - Clutching - Straws

[Keith_M]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on the subject but I like to think I have a ok idea of what happened. I'm more than happy to be put right though, everyday's a school day.



A quick Google search informs me that I really didn't (and still don't really) know what receivership is but it will suffice to say I thought it to be a lot more like administration than it actually is. Hence the scenario I outlined. I now realise why that might have come across as nonsense.

Perhaps the Hibs example was ill-thought, I was trying to frame the debate in a manner that would get people to see things a bit differently.

It takes a big man to admit he made a mistake, so fair play to you for that.


Fortunately, I don't ever make mistakes so the issue never comes up

[Weststandwanab]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

TBF, I think folk were just trying to point out that perhaps you don't really have to multi-quote repeatedly. I wouldn't think anyone would have an issue when it is used sporadically though

My question was tounge in cheek but thank you.

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Barry doesn`t seem to think the shares need released by a court. Done and dusted by the end of next week apparently...


http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...over-1-3386835

Keep the Faith the big L has not gone yet and they will not exit Admin before the end of this season in my opinion.

[JimBHibees]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

It takes a big man to admit he made a mistake, so fair play to you for that.


Fortunately, I don't ever make mistakes so the issue never comes up

Is that another non-mistake?

[Geo_1875]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Barry doesn`t seem to think the shares need released by a court. Done and dusted by the end of next week apparently...


http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...over-1-3386835

Bawwy may well be right, but if he is it'll be the first time.

[Spike Mandela]

See this Hearts supporting fanny still implying Vlad was only criticised because he was foreign, doesn't actually mention what happened to Hearts 'share issue'.

Ewan Murray (@mrewanmurray)
24/04/2014 16:58
I see headlines of Aberdeen planning a share issue to help with a £16m debt and stadium plans. Just as well their owner isn't foreign...

[Geo_1875]

The EEN article has my head spinning.

Were FoH not named preferred bidders in the CVA? How come there is no mention of them except as potential recipients of Budgie's shareholding at some point in the future?

How does the transfer of UBIG/Ukio shareholding to BIDCO sever all ties with eastern Europe when Vlad's relative still holds 15% of the shares?

Why do BDO simply disappear to allow Budgie a free rein? Surely as administrators they will be involved (and paid) until they have been rubber stamped by the Court of Session?

If Bawwy was looking for a good news story he could have done a lot better.

[jacomo]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

See this Hearts supporting fanny still implying Vlad was only criticised because he was foreign, doesn't actually mention what happened to Hearts 'share issue'.

Ewan Murray (@mrewanmurray)
24/04/2014 16:58
I see headlines of Aberdeen planning a share issue to help with a £16m debt and stadium plans. Just as well their owner isn't foreign...

If the share issue is a sham and the stadium plans turn out to be a fantasy with no prospect of being approved, then Ewan Murray might have a point to make. As it is he's just embarrassing himself.

[greenginger]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

See this Hearts supporting fanny still implying Vlad was only criticised because he was foreign, doesn't actually mention what happened to Hearts 'share issue'.

Ewan Murray (@mrewanmurray)
24/04/2014 16:58
I see headlines of Aberdeen planning a share issue to help with a £16m debt and stadium plans. Just as well their owner isn't foreign...

Tell prick Ewan Murray that his hero Vlad has shafted Edinburgh Council for a confirmed £ 33,484.14 for unpaid business rates at their Ukio Bankas office in Castle Street. If the Bank had got a decent price for its security over the PBS our council might have seen some of the cash.

Now we are all a little bit poorer thanks to the Gorgie thieves and their accomplices.

[Waxy]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

At - Clutching - Straws

If there's any straws left, i'll be seen clutching them :)

[fat freddy]

[QUOTE=Weststandwanab;3981773]My question was tounge in cheek but thank you.

is your tounge inside your moungth?

[Keith_M]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

My question was tounge in cheek but thank you.

is your tounge inside your moungth?