Scottish Independence

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Last night the following Scottish Labour MP's voted hand in hand with the Tories for the benefits cap. Along with their failure to vote against the bedroom tax when they had the opportunity recently.

Shame on them.

Margaret Curran – Glasgow East
Tom Greatrex – Rutherglen and Hamilton West
Ian Murray – Edinburgh South
Willie Bain – Glasgow North East
Gordon Banks – Ochil and South Perthshire
Tom Clarke – Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill
Dame Anne Begg – Aberdeen South
Alistair Darling – Edinburgh South West
Ian Davidson – Glasgow South West
Thomas Docherty – Dunfermline and west Fife
Frank Doran – Aberdeen North
Gemma Doyle – West Dunbartonshire
Sheila Gilmore – Edinburgh East
David Hamilton – Midlothian
Tom Harris – Glasgow South
Jimmy Hood – Lanark and Hamilton East
Cathy Jamieson – Kilmarnock and Loudon
Mark Lazarowicz – Edinburgh North and Leith
Gregg McClymont – Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East
Anne McGuire – Stirling
Anne McKechin – Glasgow North
Iain McKenzie – Greeenock and Inverclyde
Grahame Morris – Livingston
Jim Murphy – East Renfrewshire
Pamela Nash – Airdrie and Shotts
Sandra Osborne – Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock
John Robertson – Glasgow North West
Frank Roy – Motherwell and Wishaw
Lindsay Roy – Glenrothes
Anas Sarwar – Glasgow Central

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Last night the following Scottish Labour MP's voted hand in hand with the Tories for the benefits cap. Along with their failure to vote against the bedroom tax when they had the opportunity recently.

Shame on them.

Margaret Curran – Glasgow East
Tom Greatrex – Rutherglen and Hamilton West
Ian Murray – Edinburgh South
Willie Bain – Glasgow North East
Gordon Banks – Ochil and South Perthshire
Tom Clarke – Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill
Dame Anne Begg – Aberdeen South
Alistair Darling – Edinburgh South West
Ian Davidson – Glasgow South West
Thomas Docherty – Dunfermline and west Fife
Frank Doran – Aberdeen North
Gemma Doyle – West Dunbartonshire
Sheila Gilmore – Edinburgh East
David Hamilton – Midlothian
Tom Harris – Glasgow South
Jimmy Hood – Lanark and Hamilton East
Cathy Jamieson – Kilmarnock and Loudon
Mark Lazarowicz – Edinburgh North and Leith
Gregg McClymont – Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East
Anne McGuire – Stirling
Anne McKechin – Glasgow North
Iain McKenzie – Greeenock and Inverclyde
Grahame Morris – Livingston
Jim Murphy – East Renfrewshire
Pamela Nash – Airdrie and Shotts
Sandra Osborne – Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock
John Robertson – Glasgow North West
Frank Roy – Motherwell and Wishaw
Lindsay Roy – Glenrothes
Anas Sarwar – Glasgow Central

Sarwar, Lazarovic, Murphy and Alistair Darling conspicuous by their inclusion. I get deluged with emails from my MP Ian Murray anyway; im going to reply to him this morning and asked him what his rationalefor supporting the benefits cap was.

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Sarwar, Lazarovic, Murphy and Alistair Darling conspicuous by their inclusion. I get deluged with emails from my MP Ian Murray anyway; im going to reply to him this morning and asked him what his rationalefor supporting the benefits cap was.

It's estimated this'll push around 345,000 people in the UK into poverty. Food bank use has increased to around 500,000.

Better Together = shrugging your shoulders and accepting the above, accepting nothing can be done, or hoping under the current system somehow it'll work out. There's no way the people we entrust with power at Westminster are fit for purpose anymore.

Every one of us and our families are all only one injury or illness away from needing benefits. Something we should all remember when we stand in that ballot box in September.

[JeMeSouviens]

Puts the "Tartan Tories" jibe into a bit of a different light.

Latest Westminster polling shows Milliband has blown his lead and they are now neck and neck with the Tories in intentions for the 2015 GE.

Vote No at your peril!

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Last night the following Scottish Labour MP's voted hand in hand with the Tories for the benefits cap. Along with their failure to vote against the bedroom tax when they had the opportunity recently.

Shame on them.

Margaret Curran – Glasgow East
Tom Greatrex – Rutherglen and Hamilton West
Ian Murray – Edinburgh South
Willie Bain – Glasgow North East
Gordon Banks – Ochil and South Perthshire
Tom Clarke – Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill
Dame Anne Begg – Aberdeen South
Alistair Darling – Edinburgh South West
Ian Davidson – Glasgow South West
Thomas Docherty – Dunfermline and west Fife
Frank Doran – Aberdeen North
Gemma Doyle – West Dunbartonshire
Sheila Gilmore – Edinburgh East
David Hamilton – Midlothian
Tom Harris – Glasgow South
Jimmy Hood – Lanark and Hamilton East
Cathy Jamieson – Kilmarnock and Loudon
Mark Lazarowicz – Edinburgh North and Leith
Gregg McClymont – Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East
Anne McGuire – Stirling
Anne McKechin – Glasgow North
Iain McKenzie – Greeenock and Inverclyde
Grahame Morris – Livingston
Jim Murphy – East Renfrewshire
Pamela Nash – Airdrie and Shotts
Sandra Osborne – Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock
John Robertson – Glasgow North West
Frank Roy – Motherwell and Wishaw
Lindsay Roy – Glenrothes
Anas Sarwar – Glasgow Central

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Last night the following Scottish Labour MP's voted hand in hand with the Tories for the benefits cap. Along with their failure to vote against the bedroom tax when they had the opportunity recently.

Shame on them.

Margaret Curran – Glasgow East
Tom Greatrex – Rutherglen and Hamilton West
Ian Murray – Edinburgh South
Willie Bain – Glasgow North East
Gordon Banks – Ochil and South Perthshire
Tom Clarke – Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill
Dame Anne Begg – Aberdeen South
Alistair Darling – Edinburgh South West
Ian Davidson – Glasgow South West
Thomas Docherty – Dunfermline and west Fife
Frank Doran – Aberdeen North
Gemma Doyle – West Dunbartonshire
Sheila Gilmore – Edinburgh East
David Hamilton – Midlothian
Tom Harris – Glasgow South
Jimmy Hood – Lanark and Hamilton East
Cathy Jamieson – Kilmarnock and Loudon
Mark Lazarowicz – Edinburgh North and Leith
Gregg McClymont – Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East
Anne McGuire – Stirling
Anne McKechin – Glasgow North
Iain McKenzie – Greeenock and Inverclyde
Grahame Morris – Livingston
Jim Murphy – East Renfrewshire
Pamela Nash – Airdrie and Shotts
Sandra Osborne – Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock
John Robertson – Glasgow North West
Frank Roy – Motherwell and Wishaw
Lindsay Roy – Glenrothes
Anas Sarwar – Glasgow Central

Why would they vote for this?

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Why would they vote for this?

Probably to pay for the 11% increase for themselves which was voted through without any problems.

[allmodcons]

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Why would they vote for this?

Simply because they think the electorate like to see a hard line taken on benefit spending. It's not for them to try and understand why so many people are on benefits in the first place.

It's an absolute tradegy that the UK is the most unequal country in the Western World.

Whether you support Scottish Independence or not, I think it's fair to say that successive Westminster Governments have failed the poor in our society.

Meanwhile, if the Goverment actually tried collecting the taxes it should, benefit payments wouldn't be such a big issue

http://www.oxfam.org.uk/blogs/2013/0...xtreme-poverty

[hibsbollah]

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It's estimated this'll push around 345,000 people in the UK into poverty. Food bank use has increased to around 500,000.

Better Together = shrugging your shoulders and accepting the above, accepting nothing can be done, or hoping under the current system somehow it'll work out. There's no way the people we entrust with power at Westminster are fit for purpose anymore.

Every one of us and our families are all only one injury or illness away from needing benefits. Something we should all remember when we stand in that ballot box in September.

I agree. Unfortunately, polling shows that the argument has been lost, and a majority of Britons believe that we are being bled dry by a lazy underclass. Which is hardly surprising when you consider the diet of popular tv and newspapers over recent years. The point of the left shoupd be to make a case for what you believe in regardless of short term polling. Tom Watson and Dianne Abbott were two of the measly 11 Labour MPs not to support the Tories. Sad.

[Northernhibee]

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It's estimated this'll push around 345,000 people in the UK into poverty. Food bank use has increased to around 500,000.

Better Together = shrugging your shoulders and accepting the above, accepting nothing can be done, or hoping under the current system somehow it'll work out. There's no way the people we entrust with power at Westminster are fit for purpose anymore.

Every one of us and our families are all only one injury or illness away from needing benefits. Something we should all remember when we stand in that ballot box in September.

Utter garbage. The Yes campaign have been consistently outwitted on all the questions that the voter is asking so they're making up their own ones.

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Simply because they think the electorate like to see a hard line taken on benefit spending. It's not for them to try and understand why so many people are on benefits in the first place.

It's an absolute tradegy that the UK is the most unequal country in the Western World.

Whether you support Scottish Independence or not, I think it's fair to say that successive Westminster Governments have failed the poor in our society.

Meanwhile, if the Goverment actually tried collecting the taxes it should, benefit payments wouldn't be such a big issue

http://www.oxfam.org.uk/blogs/2013/0...xtreme-poverty

I agree. And the devolved Governments in Scotland have been just as negligent.

[lucky]

Can someone tell what benefits will be able in an independent Scotland and how much any will we be able to claim and how are we going to pay for it?

[lucky]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26743802 Labour plan to freeze the benefit at the present levels for 3 years. But don't let the truth get in the way of your story. Parliament voted 520 to 22 to cap benefits.

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Can someone tell what benefits will be able in an independent Scotland and how much any will we be able to claim and how are we going to pay for it?

Some homework. :-)


http://www.yesscotland.net/news/fina...-what-it-takes


http://newsnetscotland.com Click on the fact sheet on the left for an overview.


Hope this helps, but there's lots more info on the Bella Caledonia and Wings over Scotland sites.

[ronaldo7]

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Last night the following Scottish Labour MP's voted hand in hand with the Tories for the benefits cap. Along with their failure to vote against the bedroom tax when they had the opportunity recently.

Shame on them.

Margaret Curran – Glasgow East
Tom Greatrex – Rutherglen and Hamilton West
Ian Murray – Edinburgh South
Willie Bain – Glasgow North East
Gordon Banks – Ochil and South Perthshire
Tom Clarke – Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill
Dame Anne Begg – Aberdeen South
Alistair Darling – Edinburgh South West
Ian Davidson – Glasgow South West
Thomas Docherty – Dunfermline and west Fife
Frank Doran – Aberdeen North
Gemma Doyle – West Dunbartonshire
Sheila Gilmore – Edinburgh East
David Hamilton – Midlothian
Tom Harris – Glasgow South
Jimmy Hood – Lanark and Hamilton East
Cathy Jamieson – Kilmarnock and Loudon
Mark Lazarowicz – Edinburgh North and Leith
Gregg McClymont – Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East
Anne McGuire – Stirling
Anne McKechin – Glasgow North
Iain McKenzie – Greeenock and Inverclyde
Grahame Morris – Livingston
Jim Murphy – East Renfrewshire
Pamela Nash – Airdrie and Shotts
Sandra Osborne – Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock
John Robertson – Glasgow North West
Frank Roy – Motherwell and Wishaw
Lindsay Roy – Glenrothes
Anas Sarwar – Glasgow Central

We should add this lot in for good measure.


http://agirlcalledjack.com/2013/11/1...tion-expenses/

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Can someone tell what benefits will be able in an independent Scotland and how much any will we be able to claim and how are we going to pay for it?

The answer is that we don't know how we'd pay for what Salmond is promising and neither does he. We are looking at a multi-billion pound deficit between what Salmond proposes to raise and what he proposes to spend so we have literally no clue how we'd pay for it or even what his plan B is in terms of currency!

We're less than six months away from the referendum and the SNP can't even answer the most basic questions about the promises they've put in their glorified Argos catalogue wish list of a white paper.

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The answer is that we don't know how we'd pay for what Salmond is promising and neither does he. We are looking at a multi-billion pound deficit between what Salmond proposes to raise and what he proposes to spend so we have literally no clue how we'd pay for it or even what his plan B is in terms of currency! We're less than six months away from the referendum and the SNP can't even answer the most basic questions about the promises they've put in their glorified Argos catalogue wish list of a white paper.

Or maybe it's just that you don't understand how. Have you read the white paper.? And incidentally there is a plan B, but it's still too early to play that card, but it concerns national debt v assets.

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Or maybe it's just that you don't understand how. Have you read the white paper.? And incidentally there is a plan B, but it's still too early to play that card, but it concerns national debt v assets.

I have read the white paper from start to finish.

It's nothing more than a glorified wish list.

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I have read the white paper from start to finish. It's nothing more than a glorified wish list.

What are you going to do if there's a Yes vote? Genuinely interested.

[lucky]

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Some homework. :-)


http://www.yesscotland.net/news/fina...-what-it-takes


http://newsnetscotland.com Click on the fact sheet on the left for an overview.


Hope this helps, but there's lots more info on the Bella Caledonia and Wings over Scotland sites.

Great answer, NOT. Why do separatists continue to use separatists websites to back up their arguments. The White paper is the SNP's manifesto. It actually mentions Strictly come Dancing more times than it references the Scottish whiskey industry. It's a waste of Scottish tax payers money

[Hibrandenburg]

If I'd been lied to and cheated in any other relationship then that relationship would be terminated on those grounds alone. The Union is no different.

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Utter garbage. The Yes campaign have been consistently outwitted on all the questions that the voter is asking so they're making up their own ones.

This made me laugh. I suppose this explains why there is swing to Yes in the polls, because voters are not getting answers to the questions asked of the Yes campaign they're moving across to Yes ???

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The answer is that we don't know how we'd pay for what Salmond is promising and neither does he. We are looking at a multi-billion pound deficit between what Salmond proposes to raise and what he proposes to spend so we have literally no clue how we'd pay for it or even what his plan B is in terms of currency!

We're less than six months away from the referendum and the SNP can't even answer the most basic questions about the promises they've put in their glorified Argos catalogue wish list of a white paper.

As to debt and spending, can you take the time to post some stats on how well this has been managed by successive UK Governments. I guess we must be in black are we? I guess we raise more than we spend do we? You're the Unionist, lets have some figures from you for a change. Would be genuinely interested to see your take on the state of UK finances.

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Great answer, NOT. Why do separatists continue to use separatists websites to back up their arguments. The White paper is the SNP's manifesto. It actually mentions Strictly come Dancing more times than it references the Scottish whiskey industry. It's a waste of Scottish tax payers money

At least it spells whisky correctly.

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Apologies for the Daily Racist front page below, but panic seems to be setting in.



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[ronaldo7]

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Can someone tell what benefits will be able in an independent Scotland and how much any will we be able to claim and how are we going to pay for it?

Did you find out what cuts Johann is going ahead with from her cuts commission? Free tuition fees? Prescription charges? free bus passes? Raising taxes?

Which is it going to be?

http://news.stv.tv/politics/191807-l...thing-culture/

[ronaldo7]

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Apologies for the Daily Racist front page below, but panic seems to be setting in.



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No panic here. Yes has the momentum

[RyeSloan]

Interesting article this...I wonder what the polls would be saying if we had taken this approach?

http://moneyweek.com/merryns-blog/sc...less-question/

[ronaldo7]

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It's estimated this'll push around 345,000 people in the UK into poverty. Food bank use has increased to around 500,000.

Better Together = shrugging your shoulders and accepting the above, accepting nothing can be done, or hoping under the current system somehow it'll work out. There's no way the people we entrust with power at Westminster are fit for purpose anymore.

Every one of us and our families are all only one injury or illness away from needing benefits. Something we should all remember when we stand in that ballot box in September.

Children.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...n-9217442.html

[RyeSloan]

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Children. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...n-9217442.html

Surely the point of the cap is to highlight the fact that poverty cannot be eradicated by forever increasing the cost of benefits to the nation?

Child poverty should of course be taken very seriously but to suggest it can and should be removed by using benefits as the main tool is a mistaken one I would say.

I've not seen the analysis completed to come up with the 345,000 number but not sure how an alleged 2.5% savings requirement on the benefits bill would mean a 10-15% (depending in what measure you take) increase in child poverty....not saying its wrong just not always desperate to immediately believe projected figures that have used an unknown model calc to be arrived at.

Poverty measures and the reason for poverty are a complex field yet within days of an announcement we seem to have these figures banded about as a truth. I'm left wondering what inflation figures they have used, what wage inflation figures were applied, what GDP Growth assumptions were used, what the employment and unemployment rates assumptions were etc etc to get to their answers....and even if we knew all of that would we have any idea of how likely the prediction is to come true?

The same works in reverse of course so a healthy scepticism of government assurances etc should always be maintained as well...

[Just Alf]

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Interesting article this...I wonder what the polls would be saying if we had taken this approach?

http://moneyweek.com/merryns-blog/sc...less-question/

its a fair point actually

[lucky]

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At least it spells whisky correctly.

Disappointed I only got 1 bite with that but hey ho