Barroso's been spouting this line for yonks, but he's never been challenged. He's making an assertion about what will happen, without being taken to task on it. Very much the same situation that BT folk said applied to Salmond until late. Surely the MSM should be asking the sort of questions of him they have of Salmond?:-
- Where's the precedent for the treatment of part of a member state becoming independent?
- What procedure will be used to legally remove EU citizenship from current citizens?
- What procedure will be used to remove the rights of free movement to and from Scotland?
- Where is your legal advice? Will you publish it?
If the answers to these questions boot me in the political guts, well fair enough, but surely they should be asked, rather than Barroso's convenient line being lapped up at face value? Somehow don't expect I should hold my breath, though, and until they are answered then I think Yes is quite right in dismissing them.
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Thread: Scottish Independence
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16-02-2014 02:24 PM #571
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16-02-2014 04:27 PM #572
Hate to say this but the SNP politicians are now becoming as delusional and paranoid as the Hearts supporters.
Everybody has it in for them and all the experts know nothing.
Alex Salmond is rapidly becoming a political laughing stock but he won't care if he wins the referendum.
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16-02-2014 04:51 PM #573
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Edit: actually not balanced enough, the yes bods need to move up a gear, for me, and start getting a better message out there.Last edited by Just Alf; 16-02-2014 at 04:53 PM.
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16-02-2014 04:58 PM #574This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
There will be those who vote with their hearts and those who vote with their heads.
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16-02-2014 05:03 PM #575This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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16-02-2014 05:06 PM #576This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
When push comes to shove would Spain really vote to severely curtail one of their key industries?
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16-02-2014 05:11 PM #577This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
To be honest, I think that some of the English regions should also have some sort of devolved government to off set the "London pull"
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16-02-2014 07:58 PM #578This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteThis quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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As to your comments about Salmond being a 'political laughing stock' this says more about you than him.
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If you're suggesting he's anti Westminster, then I apologise for saying you're talking pish.
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16-02-2014 08:15 PM #579This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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16-02-2014 08:16 PM #580
I find it hard to believe any of the garbled rubbish coming from either side in this debate none of them care about us minions, nothing will change under home rule, the poor will still be poor there will be no accountability or transparenty from the political party's or msp, the only difference will be you will have Scottish based msps making the same bollocks promises while keeping themselves in a well paid job, the only reason we have the union with England is because our own political leaders at the time squandered all our wealth and where incapable of running our affairs, what's to say it's going to be any different now
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16-02-2014 08:25 PM #581This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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16-02-2014 08:47 PM #583This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I found this quite repulsive today in one sense. It raises questions about Salmond's proposals for quick entry into the EU post-Independence, certainly, but the triumphalism that's followed has been quite unpalatable.
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I guess you consider the last sentence as a key reason why we should be pushing for Independence?It's hard to stitch my own back with these shaky hands
But even harder to accept the scars you left were planned
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16-02-2014 08:50 PM #584This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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16-02-2014 09:20 PM #586This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Wow. 'Seething' is the word that comes to mind after reading some of his blog. Didn't he used to be a minor reporter at the BBC? What happened to him?
He describes the Portuguese President of the EU Commission as having an 'oily smile' for no particularly obvious reason that I can see....
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16-02-2014 10:02 PM #587This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I suspect you know that any 'pleasure' is at seeing the SNP's Never Never Land version of independence get shown up for the one-sided fantasy it is.
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16-02-2014 10:12 PM #588This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
As for the 'negative story is a win' comment, the win is SNP promises being demolished. Some of us have been arguing that what is being promised is rubbish for a long time. That's the ultimate aim of political debate.
Aside from that, the story is only negative if you want independence and ever bought into the "it'll be easy" line from the SNP. To everyone else, it is a fact - something the Scottish electorate is in desperate need of.Last edited by Beefster; 16-02-2014 at 10:18 PM.
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16-02-2014 10:22 PM #589This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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I'm fully on board with your second and third sentences - I think a lot of the stuff being 'promised' is unfeasible hogwash that won't come to fruition and some points suffer from either ill-advised or non-advised supposition or expectancy. That the opposition are going to disagree is part and parcel of the process and the SNP (and the Yes campaign) assume they're going to get everything on their Santa list and all will be rosy in the Garden. However, to my mind, there's not been any debate - the Westminster parties are closing down any avenues for debate, discussion or negotiation and dictating the terms from a heavily self-interested position (as is their want I suppose).
I just don't think the way much of it is being communicated is particularly helpful to anyone.Last edited by Sylar; 16-02-2014 at 10:28 PM.
It's hard to stitch my own back with these shaky hands
But even harder to accept the scars you left were planned
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16-02-2014 11:37 PM #591
Must say I'm shocked by the ferocity of the latest No arguments. I think the Phoney War has ended. It will be very interesting where Yes goes next.
It means giving up the conciliatory game that's worked so well up till now. If they do, things get pretty bitter, with name calling.
I think a lot of people are worried about the aftermath of the referendum. The last thing we need is acrimony.Last edited by Phil D. Rolls; 16-02-2014 at 11:40 PM.
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17-02-2014 07:57 AM #592
Difficult one to answer this one. If you're suggesting Salmond is anti English then I'm sorry but you're just talking pish.
If you're suggesting he's anti Westminster, then I apologise for saying you're talking pish. [/QUOTE]
Don't believe he's anti English for a minute. Just think he'll do anything to win and if that includes stirring up anti English (establishment) feelings then he'll do it. He'll also be very clever about it. Just look at the responses since Osborne's speech.
No pish spouted.
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17-02-2014 08:04 AM #593
It's a pity that a good honest debate into our future has turned into petty name calling, I honestly think many of believe the SNP will be the party that is in power if the vote is yes. Remember once the yes vote has happened you can if you wish vote for whatever part you want afterwards, the ruling party after the yes vote may not necessarily be the SNP.
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17-02-2014 08:14 AM #594This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It would appear the SNP are quite happy to descend to name calling. Project Fear and Bullying seem to have been their favourite over the last week or two.
Fact is some of these very fundamental questions should have been resolved long ago...the Yes campaign have continued down the line of just vote Yes them we'll sort it out for ages now, a dangerous tactic that, in my eyes at least, is leaving them looking a bit short of answers just now.
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17-02-2014 08:39 AM #595This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
As for Barroso, he's an establishment fud who is on his way out anyway:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...icrous-remarks
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17-02-2014 08:46 AM #596
Don't know if this has been posted before, but it seems a fairly pragmatic piece about last week's goings on:
http://www.futureukandscotland.ac.uk...s-legal-issues
I'll be interested to hear what Salmond comes up with today to 'deconstruct' Osborne et al's statement about currency. Hopefully a bit more substance than has recently been coming out of the 'Yes' campaign, but I'm not holding my breath.
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17-02-2014 12:55 PM #598
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The NO lot has yam (i am an MP) Murray as a poster boy/spokesman. That alone puts me in the YES camp.
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17-02-2014 01:23 PM #599This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Strange criteria to base your politics on.It's hard to stitch my own back with these shaky hands
But even harder to accept the scars you left were planned
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17-02-2014 02:59 PM #600This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteThis quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Simply asking why you 'appeared' happy with comments from a foreign bureaucrat telling us (as EU citizens) that we would not be welcome as EU members if by democratic means we (the Scottish Electorate) vote for an iScotland?
FWIW, I did ask you to put 'your politics to one side' when answering my question, but would appear your disdain for the SNP got in the way of your response?
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