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[worcesterhibby]

All this nonsense about Hearts Young team is really getting on my nerves. Dundee Utd seem to be doing fine in the league with a very young team, the difference in average age between the team Dundee Utd lined up against us and the team hearts lined up against us is just one year different !! and Dundee Utd have far more players under 20.

Outfield Players Dundee Utd

Wilson - 29
Robertson - 19
Paton - 26
soutar - 17
Gunning - 22
Mackay-Steven - 23
Rankin - 30
Ciftci - 21
Gauld - 18
Armstrong 21

Average age- 22.6

How many under 20 ? = 3

Outfield Players Hearts

McGhee - 17
McHattie - 20
Robinson - 21
McKay - 21
McGowan - 22
Tapping - 20
Hammill - 27
Stevenson - 29
Walker - 20
Paterson 19

Average age - 21.6

How many under 20 = 1

[ronaldo7]

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All this nonsense about Hearts Young team is really getting on my nerves. Dundee Utd seem to be doing fine in the league with a very young team, the difference in average age between the team Dundee Utd lined up against us and the team hearts lined up against us is just one year different !! and Dundee Utd have far more players under 20.

Outfield Players Dundee Utd

Wilson - 29
Robertson - 19
Paton - 26
soutar - 17
Gunning - 22
Mackay-Steven - 23
Rankin - 30
Ciftci - 21
Gauld - 18
Armstrong 21

Average age- 22.6

How many under 20 ? = 3

Outfield Players Hearts

McGhee - 17
McHattie - 20
Robinson - 21
McKay - 21
McGowan - 22
Tapping - 20
Hammill - 27
Stevenson - 29
Walker - 20
Paterson 19

Average age - 21.6

How many under 20 = 1

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[RyeSloan]

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All this nonsense about Hearts Young team is really getting on my nerves. Dundee Utd seem to be doing fine in the league with a very young team, the difference in average age between the team Dundee Utd lined up against us and the team hearts lined up against us is just one year different !! and Dundee Utd have far more players under 20. Outfield Players Dundee Utd Wilson - 29 Robertson - 19 Paton - 26 soutar - 17 Gunning - 22 Mackay-Steven - 23 Rankin - 30 Ciftci - 21 Gauld - 18 Armstrong 21 Average age- 22.6 How many under 20 ? = 3 Outfield Players Hearts McGhee - 17 McHattie - 20 Robinson - 21 McKay - 21 McGowan - 22 Tapping - 20 Hammill - 27 Stevenson - 29 Walker - 20 Paterson 19 Average age - 21.6 How many under 20 = 1

How can Hammill only be 27!!! **** me that's some paper round!!!

[greenpaper55]

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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...-kick-3003380?

As we all knew, this is going nowhere.

To right, at last other teams are coming out against their appeal and this must put an end to this nonsense.

[Jim44]

Dylan McGowan saying that the players were unaware of the seriousness of their position. They thought late payments etc. were due to minor hiccups in Lithuania. They were given no indication of the hardships they would face this season before they slipped into administration. Funny how every man and his dog saw it coming and it appears that it wasn't only the fans who were ostriches.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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Dylan McGowan saying that the players were unaware of the seriousness of their position. They thought late payments etc. were due to minor hiccups in Lithuania. They were given no indication of the hardships they would face this season before they slipped into administration. Funny how every man and his dog saw it coming and it appears that it wasn't only the fans who were ostriches.

At what point, after the back room staff at the PBS had been paid off, did he start to suspect that it was more than a hiccup?

[BS44]

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Dylan McGowan saying that the players were unaware of the seriousness of their position. They thought late payments etc. were due to minor hiccups in Lithuania. They were given no indication of the hardships they would face this season before they slipped into administration. Funny how every man and his dog saw it coming and it appears that it wasn't only the fans who were ostriches.

They knew how serious it was but they didn't give a flying as long as they got eventually got their wages

[s.a.m]

From the Record:

Sports Hotline: Rival fans show no sympathy over Hearts' transfer embargo appeal EUAN McLEAN answers your calls as rival supporters quash pleas for the authorities to lift Hearts' transfer ban.

9 Jan 2014 00:01


Hearts boss Gary LockeBill Murray/SNS Group

IF the object of a newspaper column is to spark debate then David McCarthy’s piece on Hearts certainly did its job.
The Hotline was red hot with callers giving their tuppence worth on his call for the authorities to give the Jambos rookies a break with the lifting of the transfer embargo.
So tin hats on as we kick off with......

Davy Leslie , who emailed: “Unbelievable piece on Hearts and ‘sporting integrity.’
“Where was the integrity when Hearts never paid bills and overpaid players they could not afford? And McCarthy comes out with all this compassion guff.
“Why not do a piece on how Hearts got into this mess instead of fawning all over them like a mother hen?”

Ian Gallagher, Leith , said: “David McCarthy was the Hearts writer during his days working for the Edinburgh Evening News and I think he’s acting as a publicist for the Jambos here.
“If you do the crime you have to take the punishment, just as Rangers had to suffer. And remember that Hearts were one of the clubs Rangers accused of being unsympathetic to their plight.
“At the start of the season they were quite willing to accept their punishment because they felt with the squad they had they could catch up with the rest and close the deficit.
“Now they’re not winning and suddenly they’re calling for the embargo to be eased.
“What would happen if the SPFL relented and suddenly a strengthened squad got close to catching Ross County before the end of the season? Would that be fair? Rules are rules.”

Alan McGaw, Alloa, said: “I know Hearts have a lot of young players and I feel sorry for their fans but Rangers suffered too and Hearts cannot be made a special case.
“If they change the rules for Hearts then it makes a rod for the SPFL’s back if any other clubs go through administration in the future.”
But there was support for lending a helping hand.

Gordon Fraser, Edinburgh, said: “I’ve been a Hearts fan for over 40 years and I don’t think they have any hope of the transfer embargo being lifted. However, perhaps the SFA should allow them to sign two experienced players on a loan basis until the end of the season.”

Alex Hunter, Kirkcaldy, said: “I’m a season-ticket holder and pay my donation to the Foundation of Hearts every month. I go home and away and think the treatment of Hearts is punishing the wrong people.
“These young boys are getting slaughtered every week by experienced professionals and they need assistance from the SPFL.
“Personally, I would have preferred them to be demoted to the bottom league like Rangers and allowed to rebuild from scratch again.”
Now brace yourself for this one from

Gerry Crombie, Edinburgh, who said: “Hibs have got to remember it was Hearts who saved them when Wallace Mercer tried to take over. If he hadn’t done that, they wouldn’t have had Tom Farmer step in and buy them.
“I think Hearts were treated worse than Rangers. I know Gers got a £60,000 fine but they were allowed to sign players before their embargo started.”

Ian Hunter, Penicuik, said: “I would like to ask the Glasgow caller who thinks none of the Hearts players is good enough why the SFA have picked six of them for the Scotland Under 21s? He should keep his senseless comments to himself.”
Last word on the Hearts debate was a more general point from

Adam McMinn, Edinburgh , who emailed: “I’m no fan of Vladimir Romanov but let’s not forget the club debt was around £20million when he took over from The Pieman, Chris Robinson.
“Romanov should have used his money to write off the debt but as a businessman he chose to hold it in his own bank until he wanted out or, as has happened, his empire collapsed.The point is there is more than one person to blame.”

[The_Todd]

Footballers are either dense or just didn't want to see it. Jambogeddon was coming a mile off. If the players couldn't put two and two together then it doesn't say much for their intellect.

[brog]

As others have said this plea has nothing to do with H & S or sporting integrity but as usual is all about cash! There's 2 interesting snippets from recent BJ comments, firstly he talks about exiting admin in April, I haven't seen him quote as late a date as that before. Secondly he talks about the impact of crowds diminishing (to 13,500 presumably). This will really have no immediate impact as, incredibly after Saturday Yams don't have a home game until they play Celtc on Feb 22. Effectively they have 6 weeks without income! Paying extra players, even a pittance, in this period would be nonsensical. I really do believe the end game is approaching & I'm sure this is merely a bargaining tool to get funds released early to allow them to stagger to the end of the season. I do think SPFL would have genuine administrative & public relations concerns if Yams did go under before May. Tick Tock!

[GodisaHibee]

I'm outraged at Gerry Crombie's comment in the D.
R. Debate above.

Epitome of a roaster.


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[PapillonVert]

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Read Bob Dylan McGowan's rant in today's paper about them not knowing what Romanov's regime were up to and how the players have been hit hard by the sanctions. Well Bob, perhaps if you looked for a new club who were more professionally run and looked after their staff a little better then you and your jumbo chums wouldn't feel so bitter about your sorry state of affairs. You must remember, you were happy to collect continual late wages so don't come out with all this pizh now. You and yer mates KNEW exactly what was round the corner. So don't kid yourselves. No wonder Scottish fitbaw wants your lot down!

This "we never knew a thing was wrong and so it's not our fault" is just so much hogwash.

1. HoMFC were regularly at the door of the court over unpaid tax/VAT etc;
2. A FoI application would quickly have revealed regularly unpaid council tax / police bill etc.
3. Suppliers were regularly raising actions in the summary cause court over unpaid bills;
4. Wages were continuously unpaid on the due date;
5. The share issue disappeared into a black hole almost as soon as the money was received;
6. The published wages-to-turnover ratio was always well in excess of safe levels and virtually always over 100%;
7. The debt levels were published annually and artificial write-offs regularly applied to make things look better than they were.
8. Even before Romanov arrived, the debt levels and spending to get success were unsustainable so the club has "previous" in all this.

In other words, it has been obvious to a blind man for years that the business model was unsustainable. And now, that shameless club wants to walk away from all its bad practices and start afresh as if nothing has happened.

The football authorities must stand firm on this and not allow this bunch of chancers to avoid the consequences of their own actions and choices. That would be totally unfair to all those clubs who have paid their dues and lived within their means.

The MSM has covered and continues to cover itself in total ignominy over the way it has reported this whole debacle.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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As others have said this plea has nothing to do with H & S or sporting integrity but as usual is all about cash! There's 2 interesting snippets from recent BJ comments, firstly he talks about exiting admin in April, I haven't seen him quote as late a date as that before. Secondly he talks about the impact of crowds diminishing (to 13,500 presumably). This will really have no immediate impact as, incredibly after Saturday Yams don't have a home game until they play Celtc on Feb 22. Effectively they have 6 weeks without income! Paying extra players, even a pittance, in this period would be nonsensical. I really do believe the end game is approaching & I'm sure this is merely a bargaining tool to get funds released early to allow them to stagger to the end of the season. I do think SPFL would have genuine administrative & public relations concerns if Yams did go under before May. Tick Tock!

Sneaked under the radar, didn't it?

[MB62]

Alex Hunter, Kirkcaldy, said: “I’m a season-ticket holder and pay my donation to the Foundation of Hearts every month. I go home and away and think the treatment of Hearts is punishing the wrong people.
“These young boys are getting slaughtered every week by experienced professionals and they need assistance from the SPFL.
“Personally, I would have preferred them to be demoted to the bottom league like Rangers and allowed to rebuild from scratch again.”

Rangers were never demoted to the bottom league, they were liquidated and a new company THE Rangers were voted IN to the bottom league ahead of the likes of Spartans and others.
These guys are absolutely clueless and no wonder they are in the 5h1t.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Ian Hunter, Penicuik, said: “I would like to ask the Glasgow caller who thinks none of the Hearts players is good enough why the SFA have picked six of them for the Scotland Under 21s? He should keep his senseless comments to himself.”

If they are any good, why have they only picked up 13 points?

[greenginger]

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As others have said this plea has nothing to do with H & S or sporting integrity but as usual is all about cash! There's 2 interesting snippets from recent BJ comments, firstly he talks about exiting admin in April, I haven't seen him quote as late a date as that before. Secondly he talks about the impact of crowds diminishing (to 13,500 presumably). This will really have no immediate impact as, incredibly after Saturday Yams don't have a home game until they play Celtc on Feb 22. Effectively they have 6 weeks without income! Paying extra players, even a pittance, in this period would be nonsensical. I really do believe the end game is approaching & I'm sure this is merely a bargaining tool to get funds released early to allow them to stagger to the end of the season. I do think SPFL would have genuine administrative & public relations concerns if Yams did go under before May. Tick Tock!

They will have income from the Cup semi at Easter Road, unless they reck the seats again !

[Geo_1875]

I'm almost embarrassed for them. It must be hard to write ***** like that with crayons.

[Famous Fiver]

Ian Hunter, Penicuik is an unreconstructed Hearts neanderthal who hasn't got a clue.

What was the score when Scotland played England with these six bright young things involved? 6 (six) 0 (Nil)

I rest my case m'lud.

[Craig_in_Prague]

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They will have income from the Cup semi at Easter Road, unless they reck the seats again !

I think it's just perfect, that they'll lose a semi at ER & leave there feeling sick again.

It just, gets better.

Pleasing.

[Saorsa]

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Ian Hunter, Penicuik is an unreconstructed Hearts neanderthal who hasn't got a clue.

What was the score when Scotland played England with these six bright young things involved? 6 (six) 0 (Nil)

I rest my case m'lud.

I've no seen the Scotland U21's for a while by they must have gone right doon the pan if they're picking 6 from that shower of *****.

[Hibbyradge]

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I've no seen the Scotland U21's for a while by they must have gone right doon the pan if they're picking 6 from that shower of *****.

Oh DD, you never have a positive thing to say on these threads.


































































Keep up the good work!

[HibbySpurs]

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As others have said this plea has nothing to do with H & S or sporting integrity but as usual is all about cash! There's 2 interesting snippets from recent BJ comments, firstly he talks about exiting admin in April, I haven't seen him quote as late a date as that before. Secondly he talks about the impact of crowds diminishing (to 13,500 presumably). This will really have no immediate impact as, incredibly after Saturday Yams don't have a home game until they play Celtc on Feb 22. Effectively they have 6 weeks without income! Paying extra players, even a pittance, in this period would be nonsensical. I really do believe the end game is approaching & I'm sure this is merely a bargaining tool to get funds released early to allow them to stagger to the end of the season. I do think SPFL would have genuine administrative & public relations concerns if Yams did go under before May. Tick Tock!

Regadless of the monetary side what enrages me is their now constant claims to be of "no threat to anyone"........

Hearts will be no threat to anyone in the Premiership when it becomes mathematically impossible for them to catch the team in 11th place. Until then they are a threat and giving them a "shot in the arm" could just tip the balance back in their favour, however unlikely....

Surely this has to be the sole reason why the SPFL simply must reject this "plea"..... What happens if on the last day of the season having been allowed to sign player they catch Ross County and avoid automatic relegation? Will they at that point say "look, you let us sign players to help us and because of that we accumulated enough points to finish 11th so in all fairness we'll take being placed 12th because of this"..... Like **** they would, they'd be off dancing into the night giving all the billy big baws chat of the day again and leave the SPFL to sort out the civil war which would erupt in Scottish Football....

No matter how small the risk (and it is small) the SPFL can not buckle until it becomes a certainty that they are relegation fodder..... Even then it shouldnt be done because are

[WindyMiller]

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Ian Hunter, Penicuik, said: “I would like to ask the Glasgow caller who thinks none of the Hearts players is good enough why the SFA have picked six of them for the Scotland Under 21s? He should keep his senseless comments to himself.”

If they are any good, why have they only picked up 13 points?

Poor management?

[The Hibee Harp]

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Regadless of the monetary side what enrages me is their now constant claims to be of "no threat to anyone"........

Hearts will be no threat to anyone in the Premiership when it becomes mathematically impossible for them to catch the team in 11th place. Until then they are a threat and giving them a "shot in the arm" could just tip the balance back in their favour, however unlikely....

Surely this has to be the sole reason why the SPFL simply must reject this "plea"..... What happens if on the last day of the season having been allowed to sign player they catch Ross County and avoid automatic relegation? Will they at that point say "look, you let us sign players to help us and because of that we accumulated enough points to finish 11th so in all fairness we'll take being placed 12th because of this"..... Like **** they would, they'd be off dancing into the night giving all the billy big baws chat of the day again and leave the SPFL to sort out the civil war which would erupt in Scottish Football....

No matter how small the risk (and it is small) the SPFL can not buckle until it becomes a certainty that they are relegation fodder..... Even then it shouldnt be done because are

You are 100% spot on. Even taking aside the relegation issue for one moment, can you image the reaction if Hearts, with players they were allowed to bring in, defeated say St Johnstone to cost them a place in the top six??? or Motherwell for a place in Europe???

No a chance this will be allowed.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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Poor management?

It's a possibility, or its just possible that they aren't very good.

[brog]

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They will have income from the Cup semi at Easter Road, unless they reck the seats again !

I had thought about that but doubt they'll get that money much before 22 Feb anyway. I believe the clubs collect monies from ticket sales for both cup ties & forward to SPFL. They deduct all admin costs, eg rent to Hibs etc, before distributing cash ( equally shared I believe ) to the 4 teams. I would expect that process to take a minimum of 2 weeks. I really do think they'll struggle ( copyright BB ) to pay wages etc in that period. Its also possible that the Celtc game will be Relegation day in which case hospitality sales to Yams will be about the same as their current points total!

[brog]

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Ian Hunter, Penicuik is an unreconstructed Hearts neanderthal who hasn't got a clue.

What was the score when Scotland played England with these six bright young things involved? 6 (six) 0 (Nil)

I rest my case m'lud.

That says more about Billy Stark's stupidity than it does about the quality of the Yamsters! IIRC their representation diminished each game & was down to 3 by the end with only one or 2 actually playing. However I believe we should give these poor young lads a break & not select them, that way their value will reduce accordingly!!

[Fat Penlon]

Can someone help me out here please? I was under the impression that a club in administration couldnt sign/register players? If thats the case then why is BJ trying to have the embargo lifted? what difference will that possibly make? They wont be out of admin in the next 3 weeks so whats the point?

[MB62]

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I had thought about that but doubt they'll get that money much before 22 Feb anyway. I believe the clubs collect monies from ticket sales for both cup ties & forward to SPFL. They deduct all admin costs, eg rent to Hibs etc, before distributing cash ( equally shared I believe ) to the 4 teams. I would expect that process to take a minimum of 2 weeks. I really do think they'll struggle ( copyright BB ) to pay wages etc in that period. Its also possible that the Celtc game will be Relegation day in which case hospitality sales to Yams will be about the same as their current points total!

I had thought about that too. I don't know where the other semi-final is being played but I reckon they will both struggle to attract 20,000 at each game, given each time 10,000 each. As you said, then all other expenses are paid from that, not leaving a lot left for each club. Of course there will be sponsors and T.V. money on top of that but it is not exactly a money spinner for the clubs, until you get to the final itself.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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Poor management?

impossible, gary locke is possibly one of the best ever hertz managers....billy brown said so