Share Transfers Agreed/Cooling off period

[Mikey]

Do we know for sure if the vote has been delayed again?

[CropleyWasGod]

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Your last sentence suggests that, in your opinion, a CVA, once the details are kicked around, is the probable outcome. If that's the case, additionally escaping relegation ( far from unlikely IMHO) will see them emerge from this in a relatively healthier state than most of us were hoping for/expected. Please tell me I'm wrong.

I am still on the fence on whether the CVA will be accepted. However, what I am trying to say is that, if UKIO are happy with the CVA proposal, then it's down to UBIG. If UBIG can get something acceptable for their shares, then the CVA will go through.

The big caveat on that, of course, is that it needs UKIO to be happy with the CVA. I have no notion of whether they are or not.

[Jim44]

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I to hope that your wrong and dont get it.. if liquidated they get nothing
Are bdo charges so high....my hearts friends have totally changed track
And are covinced they are finished...you seem on the other hand seem to
Think they will be fine now...

I've always thought that survival in the SPFL would be a major factor in their future health. I think Killie are as likely candidates as the Jambos for the drop. A CVA and a Houdiniessque escape from relegation will give them a lot of hope for the future, unfortunately.

[Greenworld]

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I am still on the fence on whether the CVA will be accepted. However, what I am trying to say is that, if UKIO are happy with the CVA proposal, then it's down to UBIG. If UBIG can get something acceptable for their shares, then the CVA will go through.

The big caveat on that, of course, is that it needs UKIO to be happy with the CVA. I have no notion of whether they are or not.

Fair enough agree with all of that im going to go with my gut feeling
On this now because no one really knows the outcome and liquidation it is.
Its my Christmas present to me .

[Phil D. Rolls]

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Fair enough agree with all of that im going to go with my gut feeling
On this now because no one really knows the outcome and liquidation it is.
Its my Christmas present to me .

Merry Christmas.

[#FromTheCapital]

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I am still on the fence on whether the CVA will be accepted. However, what I am trying to say is that, if UKIO are happy with the CVA proposal, then it's down to UBIG. If UBIG can get something acceptable for their shares, then the CVA will go through.

The big caveat on that, of course, is that it needs UKIO to be happy with the CVA. I have no notion of whether they are or not.

Few posters on brokeback claiming ukio will accept according to the CVA document, also Garry Halliday from FoH apparently claiming the cva will be accepted by Ukio. Pinch of salt of course but they are generally only worried about UBIG's vote.

[blackpoolhibs]

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I've always thought that survival in the SPFL would be a major factor in their future health. I think Killie are as likely candidates as the Jambos for the drop. A CVA and a Houdiniessque escape from relegation will give them a lot of hope for the future, unfortunately.

I keep hearing this from some folk, yet the stats don't bare it out? The gimps have only made 3 points up so far, and we are now getting to the stage in the season where the games come thick and fast, and injuries and suspensions kick in.

The pitches will get heavier, and their squad is thin now, how will it fare when they get injuries and suspensions?

The way the form for both clubs has gone, they'd need to play something like a 75 game season to make the points up at the current rate, not even accounting for Kilmarnock strengthening their squad in January too.

They are down, and the only reason i think people think they will escape relegation is because of their results against us.

Keep the faith.

[Waxy]

Why are people saying UBIG/UKIO will get nothing if Hearts are liquidated?
Surely they can then sell tynie and all the other smaller parts for far more than the 2.5m foh are offering.

It's a no brainer

[CropleyWasGod]

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Why are people saying UBIG/UKIO will get nothing if Hearts are liquidated?
Surely they can then sell tynie and all the other smaller parts for far more than the 2.5m foh are offering.

It's a no brainer

UBIG won't get anything in a liquidation. They are an unsecured creditor and shareholder. Once the secured creditor (UKIO) gets the proceeds from the sale of Tynie, there will be nothing left for them.

[Greenworld]

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Do we know for sure if the vote has been delayed again?

Looking that way herald and een reporting it

[Liberal Hibby]

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I keep hearing this from some folk, yet the stats don't bare it out? The gimps have only made 3 points up so far, and we are now getting to the stage in the season where the games come thick and fast, and injuries and suspensions kick in.

The pitches will get heavier, and their squad is thin now, how will it fare when they get injuries and suspensions?

The way the form for both clubs has gone, they'd need to play something like a 75 game season to make the points up at the current rate, not even accounting for Kilmarnock strengthening their squad in January too.

They are down, and the only reason i think people think they will escape relegation is because of their results against us.

Keep the faith.

Quite.

Even if the CVA is agreed tomorrow then there is a 30 day cooling off period. That takes you to the end of December. That doesn't mean they exit administration then - there will be months of work to do (see Dunfermline).

They won't be signing anyone in the January transfer window - even if they could afford to do so. And there's a chance they may still be in administration at the end of season with another 15 point deduction for next season in the pipeline.

They're down - and they know it.

[Waxy]

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UBIG won't get anything in a liquidation. They are an unsecured creditor and shareholder. Once the secured creditor (UKIO) gets the proceeds from the sale of Tynie, there will be nothing left for them.

Yes.But i'd say UKIO could get much more money by not Accepting the CVA.

[TowerHibs]

not sure why people are saying an approved CVA will see them through this.

Far from it, in fact for me, the fun just begins if they get a CVA. They will be relegated this year, no doubt. This, along with their stadium, running costs and drop in turnover will put the club through the ringer. I will not be surprised if a CVA is approved, HMFC find themselves in another administration in the next 12/24 months.

The elephant in the room for me is that stadium, it will be their downfall.

[JeMeSouviens]

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I've always thought that survival in the SPFL would be a major factor in their future health. I think Killie are as likely candidates as the Jambos for the drop. A CVA and a Houdiniessque escape from relegation will give them a lot of hope for the future, unfortunately.

It's not entirely impossible Killie could be relegated but "as likely candidates"? Have a word with yourself! They're 12 points ahead, don't have a wafer thin squad and can sign new players in the upcoming window. Hearts have spawned a couple of results against Aberdeen and were gifted a win against a bottling us but in general they're absolutely, utterly pish and have failed to win every game that's looked like a 6 pointer. Even if they squeak through a CVA it's realistically going to be into February or March before they're offishully out of admin and can sign anyone by which time they'll be all but certainly down.

Cheer up.

[Greenworld]

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Do we know for sure if the vote has been delayed again?

Looking that way herald and een reporting it

[HibbySpurs]

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I keep hearing this from some folk, yet the stats don't bare it out? The gimps have only made 3 points up so far, and we are now getting to the stage in the season where the games come thick and fast, and injuries and suspensions kick in.

The pitches will get heavier, and their squad is thin now, how will it fare when they get injuries and suspensions?

The way the form for both clubs has gone, they'd need to play something like a 75 game season to make the points up at the current rate, not even accounting for Kilmarnock strengthening their squad in January too.

They are down, and the only reason i think people think they will escape relegation is because of their results against us.

Keep the faith.

, agreed, they are barely better off than 14 games ago, they now have 24 left to make up 12 points..... I think people are still blinded by the fact that they are oon -3 from -15.... Put it this way, if Hearts had started on level pegging they would be on 12 points and one defeat away from being bottom anyway.....

Draw's simply arent good enough for them and they are chucking matches left righ and centre.... They've had two very good league results in beating us and then overcoming a 10 man Aberdeen who should have been out of sight by half time and this is a common thread to most of their games. Their opponents are generally miles better than them but a siege mentality is getting them draws (as I said no good)..... at present....

Once they are really into the youth team through injuries & suspensions in December & January they will be rolled over by many teams and if Killie & Ross County pick up a couple of wins each then they will be more than 15 points behind again (IMO)......

Simple maths over the next five games (50% of the season done) tells me that the very BEST case scenario is they could technically be 3 points ahead of Killie in 11th but for that to happen they need to win every game and Killie lose every game.... The latter is possible but the former?????? Nah

[Craig_in_Prague]

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not sure why people are saying an approved CVA will see them through this.

Far from it, in fact for me, the fun just begins if they get a CVA. They will be relegated this year, no doubt. This, along with their stadium, running costs and drop in turnover will put the club through the ringer. I will not be surprised if a CVA is approved, HMFC find themselves in another administration in the next 12/24 months.

The elephant in the room for me is that stadium, it will be their downfall.

Tend to agree.
I see it as them being deid, or crippled.

[Steve20]

Killie were in a pretty dire way financially. Any chance they could go into administration? If not, Hearts will struggle to make up 12 points.

[Hibernia Na Eir]

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I keep hearing this from some folk, yet the stats don't bare it out? The gimps have only made 3 points up so far, and we are now getting to the stage in the season where the games come thick and fast, and injuries and suspensions kick in.

The pitches will get heavier, and their squad is thin now, how will it fare when they get injuries and suspensions?

The way the form for both clubs has gone, they'd need to play something like a 75 game season to make the points up at the current rate, not even accounting for Kilmarnock strengthening their squad in January too.

They are down, and the only reason i think people think they will escape relegation is because of their results against us.

Keep the faith.

The derby game in January is HUGE now (for them anyway) and we can certainly help the Jumbos to get relegated by defeating them on January 2nd. COME ON!

[Hibernia Na Eir]

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Killie were in a pretty dire way financially. Any chance they could go into administration? If not, Hearts will struggle to make up 12 points.

i hope Killie do the same as what the Jumbos did and hold off as late as possible to go into Administration, IF they do. If it worked for Jumbos then it will work for Kilmarnock FC

[TonyStokeprano]

But i thought the private members already know they're dead, why's it still up for debate ? or was that more smoke with no fire.

[jonty]

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Killie were in a pretty dire way financially. Any chance they could go into administration? If not, Hearts will struggle to make up 12 points.

Killie received a £1m cash injection last month.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...season-2356141

[monktonharp]

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, agreed, they are barely better off than 14 games ago, they now have 24 left to make up 12 points..... I think people are still blinded by the fact that they are oon -3 from -15.... Put it this way, if Hearts had started on level pegging they would be on 12 points and one defeat away from being bottom anyway.....

Draw's simply arent good enough for them and they are chucking matches left righ and centre.... They've had two very good league results in beating us and then overcoming a 10 man Aberdeen who should have been out of sight by half time and this is a common thread to most of their games. Their opponents are generally miles better than them but a siege mentality is getting them draws (as I said no good)..... at present....

Once they are really into the youth team through injuries & suspensions in December & January they will be rolled over by many teams and if Killie & Ross County pick up a couple of wins each then they will be more than 15 points behind again (IMO)......

Simple maths over the next five games (50% of the season done) tells me that the very BEST case scenario is they could technically be 3 points ahead of Killie in 11th but for that to happen they need to win every game and Killie lose every game.... The latter is possible but the former?????? Nah

Killie will gather points over the next 5 games, be it a win, a couple of draws whatever. they have a first class experienced striker, the gorgie mob don't. the Dingwall club will pick up points too, certainly in the highlands where clubs tend to struggle in the winter, after a long trek up there (we certainly have ,for years).

[Jim44]

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It's not entirely impossible Killie could be relegated but "as likely candidates"? Have a word with yourself! They're 12 points ahead, don't have a wafer thin squad and can sign new players in the upcoming window. Hearts have spawned a couple of results against Aberdeen and were gifted a win against a bottling us but in general they're absolutely, utterly pish and have failed to win every game that's looked like a 6 pointer. Even if they squeak through a CVA it's realistically going to be into February or March before they're offishully out of admin and can sign anyone by which time they'll be all but certainly down.

Cheer up.

I've taken your advice and had a quiet word with my pessimist self, but he still couldn't convince me that their fat lady had finished her s
swansong. My fears were not allayed the other day, also, when the Killie captain, Pascalli was rabitting on about Killie's weaknesses, bad attitude and the danger of them being automatically relegated. You won't hear that coming from the Jambo dressing room, I'll bet. I take on board what you think, but I'm not holding my breath.

[bingo70]

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Killie were in a pretty dire way financially. Any chance they could go into administration? If not, Hearts will struggle to make up 12 points.

Killie got a big cash injection.from a local businessman a few months ago so there shouldn't be any worry for them going into admin.

[Steve20]

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Killie received a £1m cash injection last month.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...season-2356141

Excellent.

[Ozyhibby]

A Killie businessman recently invested £1m in them. Should see them ok till the end of the season.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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But i thought the private members already know they're dead, why's it still up for debate ? or was that more smoke with no fire.

that's an old one, can't see why you are bringing it up again.

[Phil MaGlass]

GREAT, hopefully seals the Yams fate.

[jacomo]

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I've always thought that survival in the SPFL would be a major factor in their future health. I think Killie are as likely candidates as the Jambos for the drop. A CVA and a Houdiniessque escape from relegation will give them a lot of hope for the future, unfortunately.

At the moment Hearts are odds-on favourites for the drop. Of course Killie may join them if they are in a play off but the main issue for them is staying out of administration.