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**~~clerriehibs~~** · 13-11-2013 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Thecat23

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We still have at least 2 more games against them. So could easily dish one out in those ones. Always cup comps if they drop. Just because they won't be in the league doesn't mean it's the last we play them.

Unless they're in the same division as us, there won't be 'a good few' anything.

Anyone that thinks the near death of the yams means we'll be giving them a roasting in a regular basis is sadly mistaken. We'll either hardly ever see them, or they'll survive in the top league where, to be honest, hibs have never established superiority over anyone for years and years.

Best prospect all round is to sort them out good and proper in the minimum of one remaining games, and pray that they don't survive in the top league.

**Pete** · 13-11-2013 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by clerriehibs

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Unless they're in the same division as us, there won't be 'a good few' anything.

Anyone that thinks the near death of the yams means we'll be giving them a roasting in a regular basis is sadly mistaken. We'll either hardly ever see them, or they'll survive in the top league where, to be honest, hibs have never established superiority over anyone for years and years.

Best prospect all round is to sort them out good and proper in the minimum of one remaining games, and pray that they don't survive in the top league.

If Terry is given time to get his philosophies over then the days of them dominating "just because they do" will be well and truly over. People can say its nothing but talk but it actually isn't. He's done it with Caley and he can do even more with this club.

I don't believe we have anything to fear from them any more, and that's not even taking their financial constraints into consideration. The day any group of fans starts collectively crapping themselves about their rivals to the point they worry about being in the same league as them is the day to jack it in...or give themselves a slap.

They're going to take a beating from us and after that we will be wanting to play them every week. It's on the cards.

**~~Deansy~~** · 13-11-2013 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Thecat23

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At first I wanted them dead. Not now, I want then to suffer with such a **** team they will wish they were dead. Hibs are now on the up. Proper management team all the foundations laid in place and Hearts have nothing! We WILL dish out a few good derby doings in the future mark my words. Hearts will never be the team they were!

So sit back enjoy it and let the good time roll :D

Their last 30+ years have been made possible entirely due to cheating. Their younger supporters have never seen the 'Real Hearts', what they're 'capable' of and exactly how low the depths they can (and will !!) sink to .................................... they're about to discover and their 'discoveries' will be our supreme pleasure !!

**greenpaper55** · 13-11-2013 02:24 PM

I can remember them being so bad they got relegated for the first time, none of them ever thought it could happen but lo and behold it happened again a few years later and this time they stayed down for two seasons. That was the real Yams and the crowds were 4 and 5 thousand, all going to come their way , Karma and all that !.

**~~clerriehibs~~** · 13-11-2013 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by peter douglas

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If Terry is given time to get his philosophies over then the days of them dominating "just because they do" will be well and truly over. People can say its nothing but talk but it actually isn't. He's done it with Caley and he can do even more with this club.

I don't believe we have anything to fear from them any more, and that's not even taking their financial constraints into consideration. The day any group of fans starts collectively crapping themselves about their rivals to the point they worry about being in the same league as them is the day to jack it in...or give themselves a slap.

They're going to take a beating from us and after that we will be wanting to play them every week. It's on the cards.

what's on the cards? That hearts are ****ed and we'll be giving them a good few doings? Wrong.

Hertz are either ****ed and are out of the premiership for a few years.

Or they remain in the premiership..

Either way, we won't be giving them a good few doings, because they either won't be playing us or because we don't give ANYONE in the top league regular doings.

People have been dreaming about hertz going bust or just being screwed and us then hammering them regularly. Those dreams are incompatible.

**JeMeSouviens** · 13-11-2013 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by clerriehibs

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what's on the cards? That hearts are ****ed and we'll be giving them a good few doings? Wrong.

Hertz are either ****ed and are out of the premiership for a few years.

Or they remain in the premiership..

Either way, we won't be giving them a good few doings, because they either won't be playing us or because we don't give ANYONE in the top league regular doings.

People have been dreaming about hertz going bust or just being screwed and us then hammering them regularly. Those dreams are incompatible.

Personally, I'd settle for 2 large doings going towards their relegation. Make it so, Tel!

**Weststandwanab** · 13-11-2013 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by StevieC

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You seem to be contradicting yourself? Could you clarify?

Certainly sorry. The first point is correct because H.M.R.C. would not be required if UKIO and UBIG vote for a C.V.A. if a C.V.A. is ever produced and the second point I believe to be the case. The contradiction - and I agree there seems to - hinges on the definition and perception of "Connected Persons". F.O.H. may argue that UBIG, UKIO, and possibly other creditors s are connected because they wish a C.V.A. to succeed but H.M.R.C. and other creditors may argue they are not connected because they wish any C.V.A. to fail. This will only become clear - and negotiable - once creditors who are able to vote for or against any C.V.A. that is proposed.

**~~clerriehibs~~** · 13-11-2013 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

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Personally, I'd settle for 2 large doings going towards their relegation. Make it so, Tel!

Top 6 finish might be a requirement for tel, tho ...

***Jack*** · 13-11-2013 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by clerriehibs

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Top 6 finish might be a requirement for tel, tho ...

Remember 6th position is just for passing place for where we want to be.

**JeMeSouviens** · 13-11-2013 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by clerriehibs

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Top 6 finish might be a requirement for tel, tho ...

We have 2 derbies before the split.

**~~clerriehibs~~** · 13-11-2013 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

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We have 2 derbies before the split.

We do, sorry, I'm letting my gloom at them most likely slimeing their way out of this get the better of me.

***greenginger*** · 13-11-2013 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Weststandwanab

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Certainly sorry. The first point is correct because H.M.R.C. would not be required if UKIO and UBIG vote for a C.V.A. if a C.V.A. is ever produced and the second point I believe to be the case. The contradiction - and I agree there seems to - hinges on the definition and perception of "Connected Persons". F.O.H. may argue that UBIG, UKIO, and possibly other creditors s are connected because they wish a C.V.A. to succeed but H.M.R.C. and other creditors may argue they are not connected because they wish any C.V.A. to fail. This will only become clear - and negotiable - once creditors who are able to vote for or against any C.V.A. that is proposed.

I think you have it the wrong way round. If Ukio , UBIG and Vlad's other companies are shown to be CONNECTED their votes don't count in the 50% assessment and HMRC would have the majority vote and would seal the Yams fate.

The definition of connected persons and companies is long established in HMRC guides and these Companies are Connected.

**Weststandwanab** · 13-11-2013 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by greenginger

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I think you have it the wrong way round. If Ukio , UBIG and Vlad's other companies are shown to be CONNECTED their votes don't count in the 50% assessment and HMRC would have the majority vote and would seal the Yams fate.

The definition of connected persons and companies is long established in HMRC guides and these Companies are Connected.

Yes that is what I meant sorry I typed to quickly. H.M.R.C. guides are just that a guideline, some creditor may challenge this who knows ?

***Kato*** · 13-11-2013 05:26 PM

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......if UKIO and UBIG vote for a C.V.A.......

Do UKIO get a vote, what with them being a secured creditor?

***greenginger*** · 13-11-2013 05:40 PM

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Yes that is what I meant sorry I typed to quickly. H.M.R.C. guides are just that a guideline, some creditor may challenge this who knows ?

The Hearts accounts state Vlad is the ultimate controller of HOMFC and UBIG. They also state Vlad is controller of Milson Capital, UAB Businessline and Ensco 165, although Ensco has been dissolved.

Even without Vlad, Olga Goncaruk, Vlad's sister is an Officer of Ukio Bankas as she is on the supervisory board and her daughter Juljia was a Heart's director and her nephew Roman was Heart's chairman.

You don't get much more connected than that !

***Leithenhibby*** · 13-11-2013 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by greenginger

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The Hearts accounts state Vlad is the ultimate controller of HOMFC and UBIG. They also state Vlad is controller of Milson Capital, UAB Businessline and Ensco 165, although Ensco has been dissolved.

Even without Vlad, Olga Goncaruk, Vlad's sister is an Officer of Ukio Bankas as she is on the supervisory board and her daughter Juljia was a Heart's director and her nephew Roman was Heart's chairman.

You don't get much more connected than that !

Biggest smile I've had all day

**Weststandwanab** · 13-11-2013 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by greenginger

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The Hearts accounts state Vlad is the ultimate controller of HOMFC and UBIG. They also state Vlad is controller of Milson Capital, UAB Businessline and Ensco 165, although Ensco has been dissolved.

Even without Vlad, Olga Goncaruk, Vlad's sister is an Officer of Ukio Bankas as she is on the supervisory board and her daughter Juljia was a Heart's director and her nephew Roman was Heart's chairman.

You don't get much more connected than that !

I agree but apart from the "was" and the fact that some of these parties are registered out with the U.K., these are guides and are not legal statutes. Remember when Servo "won"an appeal.

***CropleyWasGod*** · 13-11-2013 06:42 PM

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Do UKIO get a vote, what with them being a secured creditor?

Yes. Their vote is 'worth' the unsecured portion. So....deduct 6.8 m from the total debt to get the voting value .

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Yes that is what I meant sorry I typed to quickly. H.M.R.C. guides are just that a guideline, some creditor may challenge this who knows ?

Don't think they're HMRC guides. AFAIK they are statutory.

I'm still on holiday, so may have missed something. .....but isn't that what Robin said?

***Kato*** · 13-11-2013 06:44 PM

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Yes. Their vote is 'worth' the unsecured portion. So....deduct 6.8 m from the total debt to get the voting value .

cheers

**Weststandwanab** · 13-11-2013 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

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Don't think they're HMRC guides. AFAIK they are statutory.

I'm still on holiday, so may have missed something. .....but isn't that what Robin said?

StevieC said they were "guides" and in my experience with H.M.R.C. cases "guides" and ex-statutory instruments can always be challenged. I think the more pertinent issue was the interpretation of "connected".

***greenginger*** · 13-11-2013 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

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Yes. Their vote is 'worth' the unsecured portion. So....deduct 6.8 m from the total debt to get the voting value .

£ 6.8 millon off of Ukio Bankas total debt is £ 8,688,000 but that won't count on 50% non-connected vote if they are deemed to be an associated company.

Did Hibs.net give permission for you to be off on holiday ?

***CyberSauzee*** · 13-11-2013 06:58 PM

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The Hearts accounts state Vlad is the ultimate controller of HOMFC and UBIG. They also state Vlad is controller of Milson Capital, UAB Businessline and Ensco 165, although Ensco has been dissolved.

Even without Vlad, Olga Goncaruk, Vlad's sister is an Officer of Ukio Bankas as she is on the supervisory board and her daughter Juljia was a Heart's director and her nephew Roman was Heart's chairman.

You don't get much more connected than that !

And not forgetting the "we owe the money to ourselves" mantra.

***Frazerbob*** · 13-11-2013 07:05 PM

Estimated crowd of "4-5k" for their big fundraising game against Wolfsberg Reserves according to sickback.

***Pedantic_Hibee*** · 13-11-2013 07:20 PM

Desantos has fair changed his tune.

***greenginger*** · 13-11-2013 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by AberGreen

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Estimated crowd of "4-5k" for their big fundraising game against Wolfsberg Reserves according to sickback.

I forgot that game was on tonight, had to look again at the EEN and there is 3 lines on it hidden in the very small Yam article.

The Big team will not be happy !

**weonlywon6-2** · 13-11-2013 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

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Personally, I'd settle for 2 large doings going towards their relegation. Make it so, Tel!

If there was a chance that we could relegate them by wining at the wonga dome then that would be just the best ever !!

***SteveHFC*** · 13-11-2013 07:26 PM

***CropleyWasGod*** · 13-11-2013 07:30 PM

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£ 6.8 millon off of Ukio Bankas total debt is £ 8,688,000 but that won't count on 50% non-connected vote if they are deemed to be an associated company.

Did Hibs.net give permission for you to be off on holiday ?

I was on a scouting mission for our El Tel the other night. I took in the Real Betis-Barca game. Unfortunately, my main target went off injured after 20 minutes or so. Lenny Messy or something.

My attention then turned to one of the Betis players who is probably more our calibre. His name. ..and I kid you not....is Juan Kar