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***easty*** · 26-09-2013 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by Mikey

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It's 100% typical of the yams to charge for parking on land that they're getting as a freebie from the council.

Do we know if this is fact or a rumour yet?

**MB62** · 26-09-2013 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Bostonhibby

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Good point actually, if the big team have the 400,000 believers and us the mythical "wee" team therefore are only allowed to have 399,999 fan,s even that many not paying due to what we will call yamtax the council wouldn't have the infrastructure to chase every non payer effectively.

There's only one 'WEE' team and that's the lot that play at Grogie. They play at a stadium called Tiny and even sing about it themselves every home game,

Away up in Gorgie at Tynecastle Park
There's a wee football team

As much as they want to go on about it, their own self admittance ridicules them.

***Keith_M*** · 26-09-2013 09:31 AM

More than half of the Car Park at the back of the West Stand at ER is owned by CEC. Hibs are only allowed use of this on Match Days because they pay for it. Hibs also pay their Council Tax...and PAYE....and NI....and wages on time.

Please don't let any Hearts fans read that, they'll get a headache trying to understand the concept.

**MB62** · 26-09-2013 09:36 AM

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More than half of the Car Park at the back of the West Stand at ER is owned by CEC. Hibs are only allowed use of this on Match Days because they pay for it. Hibs also pay their Council Tax...and PAYE....and NI....and wages on time.

Please don't let any Hearts fans read that, they'll get a headache trying to understand the concept.

If this in fact the case then we should be demanding a refund on this cost as this is Shirley discrimination.

If I went up to George Street and decided to claim one parking spot, could I then charge everybody that wanted to use it. Could be a tidy wee money spinner.

***silverhibee*** · 26-09-2013 10:35 AM

Was there not a story a few months back about one of the car/garage dealerships having to quickly remove cars from the car park, think it may have been VW, i wonder who they were paying there rental fee too, EDC or the thieving yams, now was this about 2 months ago when the council told the tramps that the car park would be going up for sale and the tramps had to inform VW that they couldn't use the car park anymore.

***greenginger*** · 26-09-2013 10:49 AM

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Was there not a story a few months back about one of the car/garage dealerships having to quickly remove cars from the car park, think it may have been VW, i wonder who they were paying there rental fee too, EDC or the thieving yams, now was this about 2 months ago when the council told the tramps that the car park would be going up for sale and the tramps had to inform VW that they couldn't use the car park anymore.

The car dealership got the use of a different car park, the one off Wheatfied Street. ( They are back using it again )

Its Hearts ground or may'be it should be called Ukio Bankas ground so there is no issue with them taking rental for it.

However, if they did care for their disabled fans they could allocate spaces in that car park on match days and tell their corporate twats to bus it.

***silverhibee*** · 26-09-2013 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by greenginger

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The car dealership got the use of a different car park, the one off Wheatfied Street. ( They are back using it again )

Its Hearts ground or may'be it should be called Ukio Bankas ground so there is no issue with them taking rental for it.

However, if they did care for their disabled fans they could allocate spaces in that car park on match days and tell their corporate twats to bus it.

***Suburban Hibby*** · 26-09-2013 12:51 PM

Brazen does not even come close- they genuinely know no shame

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...time-1-3112872

***Pedantic_Hibee*** · 26-09-2013 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Suburban Hibby

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Brazen does not even come close- they genuinely know no shame

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...time-1-3112872

So they charged the disabled £40 but never actually forwarded this money to the council due to going into admin?

So we can now add the disabled to Lady Haig Poppy Fund, McCraes. Big Hearts, the NHS, The Red Cross etc?

I'm ashamed for them to be honest.

***Brightside*** · 26-09-2013 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by keekaboo

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More than half of the Car Park at the back of the West Stand at ER is owned by CEC. Hibs are only allowed use of this on Match Days because they pay for it. Hibs also pay their Council Tax...and PAYE....and NI....and wages on time.

Please don't let any Hearts fans read that, they'll get a headache trying to understand the concept.

What car park? The one inside the ground? Surely that is owned by Hibs as part of the stadium?

***Leithenhibby*** · 26-09-2013 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by underscore

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What car park? The one inside the ground? Surely that is owned by Hibs as part of the stadium?

No, they hire it on match days.

The boundary wall of the old stand was the only land that HFC owned.

**~~Peevemor~~** · 26-09-2013 01:38 PM

It looks like we're getting ecited about nothing here.

If the EEN is to be believed, the £80k pa maintenance cost is for the entire school and not just the car park. Given that at least some of it is listed, the Council are more or less obliged to keep it at least wind and watertight. You can't really say that they were keeping it in good nick for an eventual HMFC purchase as they were looking to redevelop most of it in any case.

It seems also that Hearts were paying £525 per match for the car park - roughly £10k per year for 20 uses (that's if they paid it!). That doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

**MB62** · 26-09-2013 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Peevemor

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It looks like we're getting ecited about nothing here.

If the EEN is to be believed, the £80k pa maintenance cost is for the entire school and not just the car park. Given that at least some of it is listed, the Council are more or less obliged to keep it at least wind and watertight. You can't really say that they were keeping it in good nick for an eventual HMFC purchase as they were looking to redevelop most of it in any case.

It seems also that Hearts were paying £525 per match for the car park - roughly £10k per year for 20 uses (that's of they paid it!). That doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

Of course, THAT is THE BIG QUESTION?
They were charging their disabled car users £40 a season, so no doubt everybody else would possibly be at least double that (don't know for how many spaces that involves). So they were taking an income for the car spaces but did pay their bill for it. Given their record on paying bills, you have to doubt it very much.

**Geo_1875** · 26-09-2013 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Peevemor

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It looks like we're getting ecited about nothing here.

If the EEN is to be believed, the £80k pa maintenance cost is for the entire school and not just the car park. Given that at least some of it is listed, the Council are more or less obliged to keep it at least wind and watertight. You can't really say that they were keeping it in good nick for an eventual HMFC purchase as they were looking to redevelop most of it in any case.

It seems also that Hearts were paying £525 per match for the car park - roughly £10k per year for 20 uses (that's if they paid it!). That doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

If they were only charging £2 per car that would cover the payment to CEC (did they ever pay it?). If it's the one I'm thinking of I've seen guys at the gate taking £10 a time on matchdays. I'd be interested to know who paid public liability insurance for this piece of land.

***Kato*** · 26-09-2013 08:01 PM

As an aside on this thread whilst the domino's tumble.

Id' like to ask the guys who work in the finance industry a question, if anyone could make a stab at an answer:

Rumours and speculation surrouded Romanov's whole tenure but one of the weirdest things for me was the debt forgiveness. When places like panama and Switzerland are mentioned in clearing cash, which I think they were in this case, I'm immediately thinking Dot Cotton, Mr Popudopulous and loads of laundry going round. How would the mechanics of a geunine "debt forgiveness" deal work? What would be the mechanics of the cash movements if bad money was being cleaned?

***Pedantic_Hibee*** · 26-09-2013 08:14 PM

#allisverycomplexkato

**~~Hermit Crab~~** · 26-09-2013 08:26 PM

Oops

Theft of charity tin from the Diggers today
http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index....st__p__3828875

***Kato*** · 26-09-2013 08:41 PM

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#allisverycomplexkato

#iknowthatswhyimaskingpedantic

**jabis** · 26-09-2013 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Hermit Crab

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Oops

Theft of charity tin from the Diggers today
http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index....st__p__3828875

let's all look out for the jakie

***Pedantic_Hibee*** · 26-09-2013 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Kato

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#iknowthatswhyimaskingpedantic

I think, from my limited knowledge....it's like stepping off your balcony in Bulgaria and throwing all your euros into the apartment washing machine. I think.

**~~Sanger~~** · 26-09-2013 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Kato

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As an aside on this thread whilst the domino's tumble.

Id' like to ask the guys who work in the finance industry a question, if anyone could make a stab at an answer:

Rumours and speculation surrouded Romanov's whole tenure but one of the weirdest things for me was the debt forgiveness. When places like panama and Switzerland are mentioned in clearing cash, which I think they were in this case, I'm immediately thinking Dot Cotton, Mr Popudopulous and loads of laundry going round. How would the mechanics of a geunine "debt forgiveness" deal work? What would be the mechanics of the cash movements if bad money was being cleaned?

The trail of the money is that Ukio Bank prints money they don't have and lends to UBIG who then lend on to Hearts to make good the overdrafts they are running up. Ukio's money they have loaned (printed) is backed by Ukiios's depositors (£10 for every £100 printed say). Hearts cannot service the debt - pay the interest or repay the original amount loaned back Without becoming insolvent. UBIG either convert the debt to shares in Hearts which Ukio own as security on the loan (why the own Tynecastle and shares). Or Romanov gets one of his front companies to forgive the loan and issue shares in the Front company which they give to UBIG who then hold this against the orginal back to back loan from Ukio. Ukio have claim on these worthless shares against the original loan to UBIG. The money laundering could work like this. UBIG borrow say £10m to Hearts but that only £9m of Hearts overspend. Romanov has £1m in his pocket. He forgives the £10m by issuing shares in his front company and these are held against the Ukio £10m loan. But hearts have only burnt £9m on wages transfers above income. Romanov pockets the difference. It could be all £10m loan from Ukio or a £9m Liam and £1m mafia money that gets washed through the system. We know Hearts gave burnt £69m in total which could be way below what Ukio have lost because of the above scheme.

***Pedantic_Hibee*** · 26-09-2013 08:56 PM

Yeah, that too. Bulgarian washing machines. Using tears of pride as softener.

***Kato*** · 26-09-2013 09:04 PM

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I think, from my limited knowledge....it's like stepping off your balcony in Bulgaria and throwing all your euros into the apartment washing machine. I think.

Originally Posted by desantos0773

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The money laundering could work like this. UBIG borrow say £10m to Hearts but that only £9m of Hearts overspend. Romanov has £1m in his pocket. He forgives the £10m by issuing shares in his front company and these are held against the Ukio £10m loan. But hearts have only burnt £9m on wages transfers above income. Romanov pockets the difference. It could be all £10m loan from Ukio or a £9m Liam and £1m mafia money that gets washed through the system. We know Hearts gave burnt £69m in total which could be way below what Ukio have lost because of the above scheme.

Thanks gents. two equally feasible scenarios, the former might normally be a stretch but let's face it far stranger things happened to the Jam-Tards under Vlad*.

*current whereabouts 'unknown'

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I've never heard of a fire being started because a redundant premises with no power/gas/etc was not watertight.It does not take £80 grand a year for 3 years to fit padlocks ,steel shutters to low windows and doors and boarding to high windows.

80 grand is waffle but there is a difference to what it actually costs and the sum the council actually 'spend' - it's called 'pauchle'. Official pauchle though, its the cooncil after all.

**monktonharp** · 26-09-2013 09:29 PM

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I think the maintenance costs cover the building to keep it watertight and secure. Say it caught fire (accidentally) it could cause the ethanol tanks next to it to explode vastly improving the surrounding area.

I've never heard of a fire being started because a redundant premises with no power/gas/etc was not watertight.It does not take £80 grand a year for 3 years to fit padlocks ,steel shutters to low windows and doors and boarding to high windows.

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The car park was going for £4m in 2010 at the bottom of deepest recession since the 30s depression. How much now for as the economy and house prices recover? Does not bode well for the Yams as it shows the Liths that Tynecastle is easily sellable to a developer at well above the price FOH are offering. Several Yam myths dismissed in an instant. This will hasten their liquidation. It can't be long now.

wouldn't it be lovely if it's a Lithuanian property company that's bought the school for a knockdown 5 mil.

Originally Posted by Kato

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80 grand is waffle but there is a difference to what it actually costs and the sum the council actually 'spend' - it's called 'pauchle'. Official pauchle though, its the cooncil after all.

not sure how you mean Kato, with 80k being waffle, as that figure was mentioned from the council. the other thing, (pauchle) I do understand what you're getting at . I have mentioned that the council's bend over backwards attitude towards the gorgie mob for several years, should be investigated. heads have rolled fairly recently, for awarding contracts to builders/roofers/maintenance etc. I'd like to see some of the shenanigans going on between the council and our neighbours, investigated.

**down-the-slope** · 26-09-2013 09:33 PM

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More than half of the Car Park at the back of the West Stand at ER is owned by CEC. Hibs are only allowed use of this on Match Days because they pay for it. Hibs also pay their Council Tax...and PAYE....and NI....and wages on time.

Please don't let any Hearts fans read that, they'll get a headache trying to understand the concept.

I think that The Albion Trust may be a tad surprised at that...as its very much theirs along with old school building (Norton Park)

***Kato*** · 26-09-2013 09:40 PM

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not sure how you mean Kato, with 80k being waffle, as that figure was mentioned from the council. the other thing, (pauchle) I do understand what you're getting at . I have mentioned that the council's bend over backwards attitude towards the gorgie mob for several years, should be investigated. heads have rolled fairly recently, for awarding contracts to builders/roofers/maintenance etc. I'd like to see some of the shenanigans going on between the council and our neighbours, investigated.

Am saying 80 grand is what is on the books but I doubt that that much sees it's way toward the actual maintenance of the school.

***Bostonhibby*** · 26-09-2013 09:54 PM

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Oops

Theft of charity tin from the Diggers today
http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index....st__p__3828875

Event:straightforward theft of tin........

Allisbarry:hearts fan plans ahead for transport and accomodation for next away game. Charities everywhere withdrawing their collection tins on Thursday nights before hearts away games.

***Pedantic_Hibee*** · 26-09-2013 10:02 PM

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Event:straightforward theft of tin........

Allisbarry:hearts fan plans ahead for transport and accomodation for next away game. Charities everywhere withdrawing their collection tins on Thursday nights before hearts away games.