Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Spike Mandela]

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Just opened the paper this morning to see the huns parading 6 new signings to launch their new kit, should be fined for openly flaunting the way they are getting round the ban

The SFA will be high fiveing and back slapping each other this morning on the success of their policy of issuing 'punishments that aren't punishments' during the whole Rangers/Sevco saga.

[Part/Time Supporter]

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The SFA will be high fiveing and back slapping each other this morning on the success of their policy of issuing 'punishments that aren't punishments' during the whole Rangers/Sevco saga.

If I had told you a few years ago that Rangers would now be parading journeymen pros signed from assorted SPL clubs as their big summer signings, I don't think you would have believed me. Three years ago they were signing Jelavic for £4M. Even two years ago, just before the crash, they were signing regular US and Romania internationals (Bocanegra and Goian).

[ian cruise]

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Just opened the paper this morning to see the huns parading 6 new signings to launch their new kit, should be fined for openly flaunting the way they are getting round the ban

And Puma have made them a special slopey top like the did for us to help rangers celebrate their decent to the lower divisions.

[Saorsa]

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If I had told you a few years ago that Rangers would now be parading journeymen pros signed from assorted SPL clubs as their big summer signings, I don't think you would have believed me. Three years ago they were signing Jelavic for £4M. Even two years ago, just before the crash, they were signing regular US and Romania internationals (Bocanegra and Goian).

Who they are signing or playing is irrelevant IMO, they've been given a punishment that has turned out tae be nothing of the sort. They were given a transfer ban that started after the transfer windae closed, the standard of player they were allowed/able tae sign may not have been what they used tae but they were still enough tae make sure the strolled out of the 3rd division. If they'd had tae go with what they had, they may well have stayed there, that would have been a punishment. Now they are being allowed tae use rules tae get round the end of the transfer ban so they can gain an advantage in the 2nd division, again using players (assorted SPL or otherwise) that are better than those of their competitors. An absolute farce which sums up Scottish fitba tae a tee.

[SurferRosa]

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And Puma have made them a special slopey top like the did for us to help rangers celebrate their decent to the lower divisions.

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Who they are signing or playing is irrelevant IMO, they've been given a punishment that has turned out tae be nothing of the sort. They were given a transfer ban that started after the transfer windae closed, the standard of player they were allowed/able tae sign may not have been what they used tae but they were still enough tae make sure the strolled out of the 3rd division. If they'd had tae go with what they had, they may well have stayed there, that would have been a punishment. Now they are being allowed tae use rules tae get round the end of the transfer ban so they can gain an advantage in the 2nd division, again using players (assorted SPL or otherwise) that are better than those of their competitors. An absolute farce which sums up Scottish fitba tae a tee.

Spot on Dan. Actively and openly conducting full negotiations with players and agents while under a transfer/registration ban and it`s reported by the press as though there is nothing at all wrong with it. Sporting integrity was just a phrase trotted out to pacify rebellious supporters.

When you have an SFA president who was heavily involved in the running of two of the most corrupt, immoral organisations ever in Scottish football and wasn`t even suspended when under investigation for taking EBT payments, it tells you all you need to know about our game.

[YehButNoBut]

They really seem to be struggling, not, I thought they were still running up huge losses every month but they can still afford a fancy new bus.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...-bus-1-2982214

[Peevemor]

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They really seem to be struggling, not, I thought they were still running up huge losses every month but they can still afford a fancy new bus.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...-bus-1-2982214

The bus will be owned by the coach company (Bruce's) who'll make a packet from it from private hire. Given that the Rangers 'name' is being used, they probably won't even have to pay when they use it.

[Hibs Class]

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Just opened the paper this morning to see the huns parading 6 new signings to launch their new kit, should be fined for openly flaunting the way they are getting round the ban

Still persisting with the five stars on it, as if that proves they're not a newco. Pitiful. They've already convinced themselves, and the rest of the football world knows the truth.

[pontius pilate]

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Still persisting with the five stars on it, as if that proves they're not a newco. Pitiful. They've already convinced themselves, and the rest of the football world knows the truth.

Just one on the whole Newco/Oldco I read somewhere that they were given co-efficient points by Uefa to be carried on by the old Rangers so it seems to me as if Uefa still consider them to be the same entity. However we wall know how corrupt Uefa/Fifa are so my point is probably irrelevant

[jgl07]

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Just one on the whole Newco/Oldco I read somewhere that they were given co-efficient points by Uefa to be carried on by the old Rangers so it seems to me as if Uefa still consider them to be the same entity. However we wall know how corrupt Uefa/Fifa are so my point is probably irrelevant

It matters not as they points that the 'old' Rangers accumulated will be outside the (five year) timeframe before the Newco comes anywhere near Europe.

[LeighLoyal]

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It matters not as they points that the 'old' Rangers accumulated will be outside the (five year) timeframe before the Newco comes anywhere near Europe.

So they won't get the coefficient points anyway? Not that it matters, very good chance Sevco will liquidate with Whyte waiting to pounce and a £1m a month operating loss with no credit line possible.

[Keith_M]

Nothing to add, just trying to keep this ahead of the Hearts thread a bit longer

[BH Hibs]

Still the same cheating weedgie Hun arrogant *******s as always

[LeighLoyal]

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Still the same cheating weedgie Hun arrogant *******s as always

1872





... my arse!

[Keith_M]

I've not read it anywhere in here so apologies if this is old news but...

I've just been told that Rangers are now Full Members of the SPFL. So, the only thing left that indicated they were a NEW club has been conveniently removed by the deck chair re-arranging Titanic Crew (SPL/SFL/SPFL)



Signed, Disgusted of Upper Bavaria.

[YehButNoBut]

RANGERS say they plan to make their voices heard within the corridors of power of the newly Scottish Professional Football League.

The Ibrox have been granted full membership status and had been barred from voting in recent debates on the future of the Scottish game following their formation as a newco in the wake of last year’s liquidation crisis.

Rangers’ chief executive Craig Mather said: “This is the status Rangers should have and we look forward to playing a full and leading part in the rebuilding of Scottish football.

“That’s what all of us; everyone who cares about the game should be working towards. It is also important that Rangers’ voice be heard because this club is too big and too important to be ignored.

“Stage one has been completed but the journey continues and we hope to meet and make many more friends along the way. However, now that we are full members we will be determined to make our own views on the game’s future known.

“Everyone knows Rangers have had to tread carefully but we will now be moving forward with greater purpose and determination on and off the pitch as well as within the corridors of power.”

Earlier this month, the SFA’s 93 member clubs voted to scrap a ruling that forced new member clubs to serve a five-year spell of association membership before being granted full voting rights.

Rangers are now able to re-join the rest of Scotland’s 41 league clubs to have their say on major issues.

They Glasgow club will face Albion Rovers in the first round of the Rmasdens Cup on July 27.

They kick off their second division campaign on August 10 at home to Brechin.

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...-the-SPFL.html

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I doubt the five year rule would have been abolished if Rangers had maintained full membership status.

[Part/Time Supporter]

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I doubt the five year rule would have been abolished if Rangers had maintained full membership status.

I think the article is muddling two issues - membership of the SFA and membership of the SFL. Rangers' change of status in the league is not because they've abolished a rule, it's because the SPFL is effectively a rebranded SPL and the SFL has been abolished completely. The SFL had this distinction between associate and full members, which the SPL has never had. All new members of the SFL, including the newly admitted members (eg Peterhead, Elgin, Annan) had to go through this associate period before becoming full members.

The period of associate status for the SFL was only two years, not five. Annan, who were admitted to the SFL in 2008 after Gretna's demise, would not have had a vote on the Rangers situation last year if the associate period was five years. I believe the new Rangers would have gained full membership status of the SFL by the end of this season anyway. Another point to note is that lower division clubs have less voting rights within the SPFL structure than clubs in the higher divisions. It's also faintly ludicrous to suggest that Rangers have not had a say in the operation of the SFL over the last year, even though they did not have a vote on formal resolutions.

Also, as far as I understand, the new Rangers have had full membership of the SFA since they were allowed to play football at the start of last season.

[Onion]

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Still persisting with the five stars on it, as if that proves they're not a newco. Pitiful. They've already convinced themselves, and the rest of the football world knows the truth.

When the NewHuns eventually get back to the SPL, every other SPL team should stick 5 or 6 or 7 star on their shirts just for a laugh. Puts their meaningless stars into context as Sevco have won NOTHING other than the 3rd Div.

[Spike Mandela]

So now that the SPL has gone I take it the 11-1 voting structure has gone or is that still there for top division issues only? Are all votes now a 42 club issue?

[Dashing Bob S]

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RANGERS say they plan to make their voices heard within the corridors of power of the newly Scottish Professional Football League.

The Ibrox have been granted full membership status and had been barred from voting in recent debates on the future of the Scottish game following their formation as a newco in the wake of last year’s liquidation crisis.

Rangers’ chief executive Craig Mather said: “This is the status Rangers should have and we look forward to playing a full and leading part in the rebuilding of Scottish football.

“That’s what all of us; everyone who cares about the game should be working towards. It is also important that Rangers’ voice be heard because this club is too big and too important to be ignored.

“Stage one has been completed but the journey continues and we hope to meet and make many more friends along the way. However, now that we are full members we will be determined to make our own views on the game’s future known.

“Everyone knows Rangers have had to tread carefully but we will now be moving forward with greater purpose and determination on and off the pitch as well as within the corridors of power.”

Earlier this month, the SFA’s 93 member clubs voted to scrap a ruling that forced new member clubs to serve a five-year spell of association membership before being granted full voting rights.

Rangers are now able to re-join the rest of Scotland’s 41 league clubs to have their say on major issues.

They Glasgow club will face Albion Rovers in the first round of the Rmasdens Cup on July 27.

They kick off their second division campaign on August 10 at home to Brechin.

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...-the-SPFL.html

Well, no.

[Hibercelona]

Everybody that cares about the game, cares about Rangers.

What a bunch of utter clowns.

[marinello59]

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Still persisting with the five stars on it, as if that proves they're not a newco. Pitiful. They've already convinced themselves, and the rest of the football world knows the truth.

It all depends on whether the heart and soul of any football club belongs to the fans or to the lawyers and accountants. If it's the latter then they are a different club. I believe the former and know that if Hibs had gone though the same process I would see us as the same club with the same history. I only wish Rangers had been shut down for good though so that there was no room for doubt.

[CropleyWasGod]

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It all depends on whether the heart and soul of any football club belongs to the fans or to the lawyers and accountants. If it's the latter then they are a different club. I believe the former and know that if Hibs had gone though the same process I would see us as the same club with the same history. I only wish Rangers had been shut down for good though so that there was no room for doubt.

My thoughts entirely. Whilst, of course, I see the argument for the latter, the former works for me.

However, as I've said often on here, this argument will rage forever and will never be settled.

[Hibs Class]

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My thoughts entirely. Whilst, of course, I see the argument for the latter, the former works for me.

However, as I've said often on here, this argument will rage forever and will never be settled.

Which is better than nothing!

[jonty]

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It all depends on whether the heart and soul of any football club belongs to the fans or to the lawyers and accountants. If it's the latter then they are a different club. I believe the former and know that if Hibs had gone though the same process I would see us as the same club with the same history. I only wish Rangers had been shut down for good though so that there was no room for doubt.

Sentimental claptrap. The club is not a fictional element of the fans combined will. It is an entity run by a bunch blokes who strive to gain any advantage over other clubs. They cheated, were found out, and punished.

The fans can try and kid themselves on, but RFC is dead.

[LeighLoyal]

They are not the same club, the company incorporated in 1899 died with £60m worth of unpaid debts, plus an unquantified tax liability, and that company's business "Rangers FC" died with it, it was wound up and all it's history came to an end in 2012. Furthermore, UK insolvency law says: if a new company is formed using assets bought from an old liquidated company, for the purpose of operating the same type of business, it is a NEW company and a NEW business venture. For newco 2012 that means it is a new football club and not the same as the one that played in the spl. Anything else would
mean insolvency law is a meaningless legal instrument, which it is not, so Sevco, newco, T'Rangers are not Rangers FC, except in their wee bigoted minds.

[CropleyWasGod]

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They are not the same club, the company incorporated in 1899 died with £60m worth of unpaid debts, plus an unquantified tax liability, and that company's business "Rangers FC" died with it, it was wound up and all it's history came to an end in 2012. Furthermore, UK insolvency law says: if a new company is formed using assets bought from an old liquidated company, for the purpose of operating the same type of business, it is a NEW company and a NEW business venture. For newco 2012 that means it is a new football club and not the same as the one that played in the spl. Anything else would
mean insolvency law is a meaningless legal instrument, which it is not, so Sevco, newco, T'Rangers are not Rangers FC, except in their wee bigoted minds.

I rest my case

[blindsummit]

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They are not the same club, the company incorporated in 1899 died with £60m worth of unpaid debts, plus an unquantified tax liability, and that company's business "Rangers FC" died with it, it was wound up and all it's history came to an end in 2012. Furthermore, UK insolvency law says: if a new company is formed using assets bought from an old liquidated company, for the purpose of operating the same type of business, it is a NEW company and a NEW business venture. For newco 2012 that means it is a new football club and not the same as the one that played in the spl. Anything else would
mean insolvency law is a meaningless legal instrument, which it is not, so Sevco, newco, T'Rangers are not Rangers FC, except in their wee bigoted minds.

Amen!

[jonty]

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They are not the same club, the company incorporated in 1899 died with £60m worth of unpaid debts, plus an unquantified tax liability, and that company's business "Rangers FC" died with it, it was wound up and all it's history came to an end in 2012. Furthermore, UK insolvency law says: if a new company is formed using assets bought from an old liquidated company, for the purpose of operating the same type of business, it is a NEW company and a NEW business venture. For newco 2012 that means it is a new football club and not the same as the one that played in the spl. Anything else would
mean insolvency law is a meaningless legal instrument, which it is not, so Sevco, newco, T'Rangers are not Rangers FC, except in their wee bigoted minds.