Hearts bump HWU for training ground rent (merged)

[jgl07]

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Don't get how OzzyHibs is getting it tight. He quite rightly has pointed out that HW should be held to account for the donation to the Yams. the only people who can do that is the Scottish Governemnt. Mike Russell, Education Minister, has interfered in lots of other Educational establishments, forced resignations of College Principles and merged colleges. So why should he not make HW accountable for this money? After all it is tax payers money.

What is he going to do? Close them down because they were lax in chasing accounts?

Mike Russell tried (and failed) to force a merger between Dundee University and Abertay.

The Scottish Government has no jurisdiction whatsoever. Universities are essentially private organizations. They receive much of their funding from Government but for specific purposes such as teaching students and undertaking research. Much though I like to bash the SNP you cannot touch them on this one.

[Deansy]

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I'm absolutely disgusted that the scabby Yam tramps have been allowed to scrounge their training facilities for what must be over a year, at the expense of people's further education!

Meanwhile, other football clubs have to work hard to pay for their facilities while the Yamtards trumpet about being a "big team".

From what I can gather (10K a month quoted as their rent on here), these thieving conniving lowlifes must have been on the scrounge for free training facilities WHILE they were paying out exorbitant wages to players that beat us in the SC Final just over a year ago.

Enough is enough! Far from deserving praise, whoever the lax, unprofessional excuse for a public servant is who has allowed this to happen at HW deserves the sack - get him/her out of there!

If it's true re '15-months Non-Payment' that means they stopped paying in January 2012, the same month they signed Craig Beattie, the same player who scored against St. Mirren (who were rumoured to be interested in Beattie) and their winner in the Semi-Final qualifying for that final. And yet, they deny cheating .........................

[RoslinInstHibby]

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The amount could be made up but the quote is directly from the Administrator stating HW are now a creditor, so they are definitely due something unless the admin just decided to tell a national newspaper a pack of lies for a giggle

They are due rent, no 2 ways about it but the 15 months bit is false. My personal view is that this has come at pretty good time for the uni as they are seriously pushing for the Scotland sport thing. Defo would be cheaper to convert the yams centre than build from scratch.

[Ozyhibby]

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That's true, the reason poor Oz is getting it tight I think is that he's blaming the government for something that is internal to HW...... Don't get me wrong, in the fullness of time if no one is held to account in some way then it's a correct assumption but we ain't there yet, at the moment the only peeps who could have done things differently work for HW?

The only way anything happens here is if you make things uncomfortable for the politicians. Strongly worded letters to the uni are not going to cut it.
The reason I singled out the SNP (who i voted for)was to spark a reaction (trolling? :-) ) and get a debate going. This news was released this morning but had almost passed without comment from most on here.
I'm not much of a letter writer so thought I'd try spark those that can into action.
I'm a big boy and can take any abuse that may come my way.
Finishing these ***** is very important and pressure should be applied on multiple fronts.

[greenginger]

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They are also behind with the Rates by a 6 figure sum i am told, can anyone find out the exact figures ?

Not quite true. I got an update of the position Via an FOI request last month.

They had paid all their business rates for 2012 - 13, but were due £ 6700 in rental charges for that year.

For year 2013-14 they had nothing outstanding, but that was at the end of April which is a non-charge month, and they were due £ 2860 for April rent.

Assuming they made no more payments, what they are due is May and half June rates and rent, approx. £ 15,000 plus £ 4920 in the current year.

A rough total of £ 29,500 plus the £ 17,406.80 due for police charges.

[Jack Hackett]

One of the arguments you get from the yamtards re paying the wages late, is that they got paid eventually....Indeed they did, but they're too thick to recognize the fact that it was always at someone else's expense

[Sergey]

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Not quite true. I got an update of the position Via an FOI request last month.

They had paid all their business rates for 2012 - 13, but were due £ 6700 in rental charges for that year.

For year 2013-14 they had nothing outstanding, but that was at the end of April which is a non-charge month, and they were due £ 2860 for April rent.

Assuming they made no more payments, what they are due is May and half June rates and rent, approx. £ 15,000 plus £ 4920 in the current year.

A rough total of £ 29,500 plus the £ 17,406.80 due for police charges.

... best not to waste too much time replying to tarradiddles, GG.

[Kaiser1962]

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If it's true re '15-months Non-Payment' that means they stopped paying in January 2012, the same month they signed Craig Beattie, the same player who scored against St. Mirren (who were rumoured to be interested in Beattie) and their winner in the Semi-Final qualifying for that final. And yet, they deny cheating .........................

Was this not around the time that UBIG ceased to support Hearts financially?

[Just Alf]

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The only way anything happens here is if you make things uncomfortable for the politicians. Strongly worded letters to the uni are not going to cut it.
The reason I singled out the SNP (who i voted for)was to spark a reaction (trolling? :-) ) and get a debate going. This news was released this morning but had almost passed without comment from most on here.
I'm not much of a letter writer so thought I'd try spark those that can into action.
I'm a big boy and can take any abuse that may come my way.
Finishing these ***** is very important and pressure should be applied on multiple fronts.

Amen to that! :D

[LioNeilMessi]

What does Heart's £10k pm 'rent' get them? I assume there are substantial running costs on top of that which justifies Hibs paying the £300k+ to keep EM going.

[brog]

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Was this not around the time that UBIG ceased to support Hearts financially?

You mean, became self-sufficient surely!

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Is Barry Anderson's position as a journalist now untenable? He has been shown up good and proper lately. Puppet on a string.

[Just Alf]

Latest on brokeback is that they should hold a 7 a side tournament to raise cash at .... Wait for it! ...... Aw hell ... You guessed!..... Maybe it's to pay the lease fees? :D

[Jack Hackett]

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Latest on brokeback is that they should hold a 7 a side tournament to raise cash at .... Wait for it! ...... Aw hell ... You guessed!..... Maybe it's to pay the lease fees? :D

No shame. They plunge depths Captain Nemo would baulk at

[Kato]

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I obvs cant go into details

Obvs.

[Beefster]

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150 to 200 million a year?

Well they clearly don't need my money. I'm just going to stop paying.

Yup, £150-200 million pa probably. Just under half of what Edinburgh University take in.

Good luck with not paying but they'll likely throw you out because you're worth very little to them in future years so there's no future income to protect. Hearts out of admin could be worth over a million over the course of a decade.

Of course, HWU could tell Hearts to **** right off, get 5% of the outstanding fee in a CVA and then be left £120k pa out of pocket every year from then on. That would be stoopid though.

I hate Hearts as much as the next man but its pointless getting outraged at an institution writing off a balance for them in order to protect future income.

[CropleyWasGod]

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What is he going to do? Close them down because they were lax in chasing accounts?

Mike Russell tried (and failed) to force a merger between Dundee University and Abertay.

The Scottish Government has no jurisdiction whatsoever. Universities are essentially private organizations. They receive much of their funding from Government but for specific purposes such as teaching students and undertaking research. Much though I like to bash the SNP you cannot touch them on this one.

As a funder, they are entitled to ask questions about the governance of the University. If it's correct that no rent has been collected for 15 months, that begs questions about the credit control and other aspects of their financial operations. If one creditor has had such an easy ride, how many others have?

I agree that the Government can't be blamed, but they are within their rights to be concerned and to ask the questions we are all asking.

[Liberal Hibby]

I've emailed a contact at HWU - on the academic side - but in a management position and here's what he said:

First I’ve heard of this.

If true, then I suspect that the story is:

+ it buys huge amounts of local good will

+ we’ll get the money back eventually anyway

+ we’re owed considerably more in unpaid fees e.g. from destitute Syrian PG students

The Watt is flush with dosh right now and actively hiring new academic staff when other Unis are laying them off, so I doubt if anyone here is going to get upset in the short term.

Make of it what you will. He's promised to ask a few questions though.

[CropleyWasGod]

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What does Heart's £10k pm 'rent' get them? I assume there are substantial running costs on top of that which justifies Hibs paying the £300k+ to keep EM going.

It will be use of the facilities, at certain times, only.

Our costs include wages, utilities, rates etc. But it is ours, for use as and how we like.

The relative merits are on another thread.

[Biggie]

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I'm quite frankly disgusted if it's true that Heriot Watt are willing to let Hearts still use their facilites despite being over 150K in arrears to them already, and there be little or no prospect of future payment. What are they, a publicly funded university, or a charity! So, why should anyone else paying to use their facilites continue to do so? They should just copy Hearts and stop paying now.

In fact why should any other football club bother to pay anyone for anything anymore? Just overspend like crazy and then thumb your nose at your creditors! "Awww we're a puir wee fitba club, geeza break, we're special"

No wonder society is going down the tubes. No responsibility, no consequences, no rules that can't be bent or broken if you know the right people.

This......Nuff said

[CropleyWasGod]

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I've emailed a contact at HWU - on the academic side - but in a management position and here's what he said:



Make of it what you will. He's promised to ask a few questions though.

"They'll get the money back eventually"???? I hope he doesn't mean that.

I have also emailed HWU, for clarification. Very interested to know what they say.

[LeighLoyal]

Where do the beggars train if they're bumping Heriot Watt their money? I assume they are now barred.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Where do the beggars train if they're bumping Heriot Watt their money? I assume they are now barred.

No, they're back there on Thursday for pre-season training.

[LeighLoyal]

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No, they're back there on Thursday for pre-season training.

Just as well I'm not a benefactor of Heriot Watt. Here's my money that also subsidises your faculty of HOMFC.

[jgl07]

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What does Heart's £10k pm 'rent' get them? I assume there are substantial running costs on top of that which justifies Hibs paying the £300k+ to keep EM going.

I would assume that the cost of running East Mains includes staffing.

I do not see how some ex farm buildings can cost £300,000 to run.

[sidneyhibbie]

Rent payments are due on 1st of every month so as of end of this month ( in a few days time ) its 160k FACT Free loaders i personally have written to HWU And asked for an Exlpenation 160k in unpaid rent is outragous.

I Wnt to know how long this goes on for.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Rent payments are due on 1st of every month so as of end of this month ( in a few days time ) its 160k FACT Free loaders i personally have written to HWU And asked for an Exlpenation 160k in unpaid rent is outragous.

I Wnt to know how long this goes on for.

Where are you getting this from? Other than the Record, I mean.

And, are you sure about it being due on the 1st?

[sidneyhibbie]

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Where are you getting this from? Other than the Record, I mean.

And, are you sure about it being due on the 1st?

I Had a meeting with the Govenor of the University about other business i slipped in the question he was very Angry about the situation to say the least.

[CropleyWasGod]

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I Had a meeting with the Govenor of the University about other business i slipped in the question he was very Angry about the situation to say the least.

Angry with whom?

Presumably his credit control department.

Did you mean the Chancellor or Principal? HWU don't have a Governor.

[Liberal Hibby]

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I Had a meeting with the Govenor of the University about other business i slipped in the question he was very Angry about the situation to say the least.

Hmmm. It's Principal in Scotland - are you sure about this?