Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[MrSmith]

Thought he Charles Green, did not want any part of Scottish Football if it reconstruction went ahead as planned? He also said that he was taking Rangers to England! This man's logic and rantings never fail to amaze me!!

[Thecat23]

[EdinMike]

But he doesn't want his club playing in the SPL cause we're all bullies, so why the rush to jump through the leagues

[Green Fish]

The man is an embarrassment to his 'club'. Reckon hes trying to be Mr Contravesory, the new Vlad. ERSEWIPE.

[Vini1875]

He has to get up the leagues as quickly as possible so that he can sell them at a handsome profit. If they are poised for a return to the SPL he will be able to sell no problem. If integrity was invovled they would be out of senior football for 3 years, but this is all about money. They are running at a loss, spending the share issue money and their fans are getting turned off. The rest of Scottish has not crumbled and is running out of cards to play it is getting desperate for him and his backers. If reconstruction sees them playing in the bottom tier again it will be a real blow, couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of c####.

[jacomo]

'Charles Green' and 'sporting integrity' do not belong together in the same sentence.

His bleating about promotion and relegation being sacrosanct is particularly galling, given his stated wish for Newco to join the English league set up and never return. What about an English club elbowed out of the way to make room for Rangers? What would happen if Newco finished bottom of whatever League they were competing in?

His agenda (shared by those big clubs who want a new European super league) is for the big boys to break away forever from the rest of us, and never have to play 'smaller' clubs again.

[Mr White]

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Simply must not happen. Scottish football has already plunged too deeply in to the corrupt pool. This would be the last straw for many and the final nail in the coffin of Scottish football. But then that is exactly what Green wants IMHO

I think it'd be more accurate to say it's cash that greens after, but he doesn't care who or what gets shafted along the way.

[bigwheel]

Green is like the guy in a group who no one listens too...so he talks louder and louder trying to get heard ...

[GlenrothesHibee]

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Charlie reckons his brand new football club should be promoted to the 2nd tier and quoted "sporting integrity" as the reason.

http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football...reen-1-2844083

For a club less than a year old I can't stop myself hating them, even more so than our maroon neighbours.

Those arrogant pink morons across the city have definitely overtaken Rangers in the hatred stakes. Not much in it though.

[Bill Milne]

It must be obvious by now that "sporting integrity" for Chuck is whatever suits him best at any given time. His strategy from the word go has been to suck up to Sevco fans, with a view, no doubt, to getting The Rangers into a position where he can flog them for a handsome profit.

[EuanH78]

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It must be obvious by now that "sporting integrity" for Chuck is whatever suits him best at any given time. His strategy from the word go has been to suck up to Sevco fans, with a view, no doubt, to getting The Rangers into a position where he can flog them for a handsome profit.

To be fair, there is a hun at my work that I speak to/ wind up/ take the piss out of quite regularly on matters football related and he also thinks Chuckie is an embarrassment. He just wants them to work their way up the leagues and draw a line under the whole sorry mess. I will add he is actually a season ticket holder at Ibrox and tells me the majority that he knows feel the same.

His words ' Only the dafties listen to anything he (Chuckie) has to say'

[poolman]

[Jim44]

His argument is that his club, likely to be promoted, should benefit from that and therefore, if reconstruction comes in, that would be to the second division. I wonder if the to$$er would be putting forward the same argument if Elgin or Peterhead were aiming for promotion.

[CentreLine]

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I think it'd be more accurate to say it's cash that greens after, but he doesn't care who or what gets shafted along the way.

Fair point

[green glory]

Considering Sevco are burning £1m per month, that money will be coming from the £22.5m raised in the share issue. It'll only last so long.

Chuck has to try and make them an attractive prospect for any buyer, and have them as close as possible to competing in the top tier ASAP.

If they were in the first division next season as he wants then they'll be sellable. If not, and I actually think he won't get his way, then he'll need to offload them as quick as possible to make any money.

If there's no buyers, what then?

[StevieC]

Kept the history, back in the league without accounts, titles not stripped, etc. etc. Chuckie has got everything he's asked for, so it's little surprise that he's starting to dictate the outcome of events.

[silverhibee]

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Charles Green and integrity Never mind integrity, how the **** did that clown pass the SFA's so called fit and proper persons test, that must be some sort of joke.**** off Green ya ****in' roaster.

And ram your Colts up your backside as well.

[Sir David Gray]

If The Rangers win the 3rd division this season then, if things stay the same, they would play in the second division next season and be another 2 years away from playing in the top division.

If the restructuring does take place then, although they will play in the bottom division next season, because there is one less league in that proposed set up, they'll still be just 2 years away from playing in the top league.

I don't see what's too difficult to understand about that.

One question I would like to ask Charles Green is this;

If The Rangers were to get special treatment and get promoted to the middle division under the restructured plan, which of the teams, that SHOULD be playing in this middle division, would drop down to the bottom division to make way for them and why should this happen?

If he can answer this for me and give a reasonable reply to this then I might change my mind.

Somehow, though, I doubt he will manage to do that.

[silverhibee]

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Dismissing the decent support totally will only reinforce a siege like mentality. Nobody like us we don't care.
A large number of our support justified the Skacel song as just banter to wind the opposition up with yet it was seen as racist by many outside the club, (and a lot of our won supporters.) It wasn't booed down so, by your logic, are we all racists? (The Skacel song has just been used as an example, I have no in tention of turning this in to a debate on it's merits or otherwise. )

[LioNeilMessi]

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If The Rangers win the 3rd division this season then, if things stay the same, they would play in the second division next season and be another 2 years away from playing in the top division.

If the restructuring does take place then, although they will play in the bottom division next season, because there is one less league in that proposed set up, they'll still be just 2 years away from playing in the top league.

I don't see what's too difficult to understand about that.

One question I would like to ask Charles Green is this;

If The Rangers were to get special treatment and get promoted to the middle division under the restructured plan, which of the teams, that SHOULD be playing in this middle division, would drop down to the bottom division to make way for them and why should this happen?

If he can answer this for me and give a reasonable reply to this then I might change my mind.

Somehow, though, I doubt he will manage to do that.

Yup that clown never thinks before any of his 'suggestions', and I don't believe for one second he has even thought of an answer for your question.

[PatHead]

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His argument is that his club, likely to be promoted, should benefit from that and therefore, if reconstruction comes in, that would be to the second division. I wonder if the to$$er would be putting forward the same argument if Elgin or Peterhead were aiming for promotion.

Surely the team that wins the 2nd division should go up 2 leagues as well then so QoS will be in the SPL next year with Partick or whoever win the 1st division going straight into the Champions League. (The same logic)

[Hank Schrader]

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One question I would like to ask Charles Green is this;

If The Rangers were to get special treatment and get promoted to the middle division under the restructured plan, which of the teams, that SHOULD be playing in this middle division, would drop down to the bottom division to make way for them and why should this happen?

If he can answer this for me and give a reasonable reply to this then I might change my mind.

Somehow, though, I doubt he will manage to do that.

It is absolutely impossible for him to come up with an answer that would satisfy me into changing my stance on Sevco getting a bye into a division below the SPL. It would be nothing other than corrupt to allow such an event.

The man is bonkers. To quote The Thick of It's Malcolm Tucker;

"He's mental, he's like Tom Cruises favourite ****ing brush."

[Sir David Gray]

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Surely the team that wins the 2nd division should go up 2 leagues as well then so QoS will be in the SPL next year with Partick or whoever win the 1st division going straight into the Champions League. (The same logic)

Nope.

Under the proposed structure it would be made up in the following way;

Top league of 12 teams (current SPL teams)
Middle league of 12 teams (current first division teams and the top two teams from this season's second division)
Bottom league of 18 teams (3rd-10th from this season's second division plus the current third division teams)

If anything, it's the top team in the first division from this season that should feel aggrieved by the new proposal. Under the current set up, they would be playing in the SPL next season but under the restructuring idea, they'll have yet another year trying to get promoted to the top league.

[KeithTheHibby]

He can bang on as much as he wants regarding reconstruction but his voice is only one and the powers that be and other clubs have shown that they are not interested in what Sevco want.

They don't even get a vote FFS!

[MB62]

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Surely the team that wins the 2nd division should go up 2 leagues as well then so QoS will be in the SPL next year with Partick or whoever win the 1st division going straight into the Champions League. (The same logic)

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Nope.

Under the proposed structure it would be made up in the following way;

Top league of 12 teams (current SPL teams)
Middle league of 12 teams (current first division teams and the top two teams from this season's second division)
Bottom league of 18 teams (3rd-10th from this season's second division plus the current third division teams)

If anything, it's the top team in the first division from this season that should feel aggrieved by the new proposal. Under the current set up, they would be playing in the SPL next season but under the restructuring idea, they'll have yet another year trying to get promoted to the top league.

Think there is a bit of a WOOSH there FH. I believe 'Pathead' was talking about Charlie boys arguement about jumping two divisions, something he has obviously not thought about outside his Newco.

[StevieC]

Rangers WILL get promoted, so there IS sporting integrity.

The only difference is that every other 3rd Division club will ALSO get promoted.

It would be the same if the SPL was expanded, in that the top team gets promoted (as per the rules) but another 2/4 teams would also benefit from additional spaces available.

It's hardly rocket science, Chuckie!

[Bostonhibby]

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Charlie reckons his brand new football club should be promoted to the 2nd tier and quoted "sporting integrity" as the reason.

http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football...reen-1-2844083

For a club less than a year old I can't stop myself hating them, even more so than our maroon neighbours.

Cheeky Charlie, all the front of a snake oil salesman, with one or two exceptions all the Scottish clubs are doing pretty well on the integrity front, thanks very much.

If he wants to align the integrity word with his newly formed club he could perhaps try to get at what damaged it in the first place and do the decent thing, - pay of a few of the debts they dodged, stop hiding behind technicalities and acknowledge the fundamental cheating that went on over contracts and maybe back up the statements about dealing with hatred and sectarianism with deeds rather than words?

Oh and while we are at it you would be a lot more credible if you stopped talking about moving to England and actually tried to do it. They don't want the toxic "brand" down here.

[Sylar]

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Nope.

Under the proposed structure it would be made up in the following way;

Top league of 12 teams (current SPL teams)
Middle league of 12 teams (current first division teams and the top two teams from this season's second division)
Bottom league of 18 teams (3rd-10th from this season's second division plus the current third division teams)

So YET AGAIN, Airdrie stand to be saved from relegation?!

I'm against the structure for that reason alone!

[ballengeich]

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Nope.

Under the proposed structure it would be made up in the following way;

Top league of 12 teams (current SPL teams)
Middle league of 12 teams (current first division teams and the top two teams from this season's second division)
Bottom league of 18 teams (3rd-10th from this season's second division plus the current third division teams)

If anything, it's the top team in the first division from this season that should feel aggrieved by the new proposal. Under the current set up, they would be playing in the SPL next season but under the restructuring idea, they'll have yet another year trying to get promoted to the top league.

Other reports I've seen have said that promotion and relegation between division 1 and the premier would be as usual. They've also indicated that the final middle league position would be given to the winners of a playoff among the teams placed 2nd-5th in division 2. Have you a link to anything to back up your version?

[Keith_M]

Wouldn't the simplest solution be to postpone the league changes until 2014/5?

For one thing, it's totally crazy that we don't know at this point what the league structure will be for the coming season and the benefit would be that The Rangers would win promotion...to the 2nd division. Then Green and the other Muppets would have nothing to complain about (in regard to this issue only)

I can't see that there'd be any losers by just waiting