Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[CropleyWasGod]

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The English leagues are under severe political scrutiny at the moment, and so are vulnerable to a politically-motivated deal to create a national league (if the demand were to come from Scottish clubs).

Make no bones about it, Scottish football is close to bankruptcy. Youth development is not proving to be the answer either and our league is not attracting any investment. The status quo will not sustain a professional league of any quality for very much longer. Radical change will come, and Chuckie might just be the catalyst to make it happen.

Can you expand on that?

[hibs0666]

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Can you expand on that?

All it takes is a couple of clubs to fold during the season and the game's a bogey.

No club in Scotland is running on a sustainable basis and, as we've seen with the zombies, there is only one possible outcome.

[CropleyWasGod]

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All it takes is a couple of clubs to fold during the season and the game's a bogey.

No club in Scotland is running on a sustainable basis and, as we've seen with the zombies, there is only one possible outcome.

That is certainly not true. Hibs, for one.

If a couple of clubs fold, so what? They will find their level, and every other club will adjust accordingly. That's what has happened with the RFC debacle.... all other clubs will cut their cloth, or suffer the consequences.

[hibs0666]

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That is certainly not true. Hibs, for one.

If a couple of clubs fold, so what? They will find their level, and every other club will adjust accordingly. That's what has happened with the RFC debacle.... all other clubs will cut their cloth, or suffer the consequences.

Hibs are consistently losing £1 million a year and need to flog at least a player a season to balance the books! If the SPL started with 12 teams and 2 folded, the league would become a total farce.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Hibs are consistently losing £1 million a year and need to flog at least a player a season to balance the books! If the SPL started with 12 teams and 2 folded, the league would become a total farce.

No they're not. The loss in the accounts was £900k, the majority of which was depreciation. The club operates a break-even policy, which means we spend what we take in. That is sustainable, in my book.

[greenginger]

If Scottish and English leagues amalgamated I think we could all kiss goodbye to ever seeing European Football at Easter Road or winning a national cup again.

It would also be the end of the Scottish national side, we would have to support a UK side with 3 lions on the shirt and probably the Lion Rempant on the Subs tracksuits.

If Green thinks its a good idea its because there is money in it for Rangers, and ,most importantly, for himself.

Touch nothing Green advocates, he is poison. Ask any Sheffield United fan !

[hibs0666]

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No they're not. The loss in the accounts was £900k, the majority of which was depreciation. The club operates a break-even policy, which means we spend what we take in. That is sustainable, in my book.

Well, over the last five years, I'm seeing a club with an operating loss of £7.7 million (that has been offset by £8.7 million in player sales) and a debt that has increased by £3.6 million as a result. I still don't see that as a sustainable situation.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Well, over the last five years, I'm seeing a club with an operating loss of £7.7 million (that has been offset by £8.7 million in player sales) and a debt that has increased by £3.6 million as a result. I still don't see that as a sustainable situation.

So we have actually made £1m in that period?

Hibs have been a selling club for as long as I've watched them. That is how they, and many others, sustain themselves. It's worked for that length of time, and will continue to do so.

[M6hibee]

Green doesn't seem to comprehend that any chance of a league merger down south went when the cretins he plays up to made a mess of Manchester city centre a few years back. That's the average confusion of the Hun. Make a shame of themselves when playing in England and then expect the English leagues to welcome them with open arms

[hibs0666]

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So we have actually made £1m in that period?

Hibs have been a selling club for as long as I've watched them. That is how they, and many others, sustain themselves. It's worked for that length of time, and will continue to do so.

Unfortunately that model doesn't work any more.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Unfortunately that model doesn't work any more.

So if it doesn't work (and I'm not sure I agree with you) we will adjust accordingly. Smaller and cheaper squads, just as any commercial organisation has to do in the face of decreasing income. That's not nice for the punter, of course, but if all of our competitors are doing it then Hibs are well-placed to be relatively successful.

[jgl07]

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Well, over the last five years, I'm seeing a club with an operating loss of £7.7 million (that has been offset by £8.7 million in player sales) and a debt that has increased by £3.6 million as a result. I still don't see that as a sustainable situation.

So Hibs will be building a new training ground and a new stand every five years then?

[EuanH78]

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So Hibs will be building a new training ground and a new stand every five years then?

Excellent point. Goes to highlight just how well the model does work.

[Malthibby]

We need to get our own house in order, in Scotland.
Cannot be ersed with folk wanting to run away to Engerland or anywhere else as a non-answer to our problems.
Finances are tight, so we deal with it, we need alternative models, let's find them here.
I simply do not believe that we don't have the wherewithal to find an answer to our footie issues ourselves; we are
not the only wee country with professional football leagues.
GG

[hibs0666]

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So if it doesn't work (and I'm not sure I agree with you) we will adjust accordingly. Smaller and cheaper squads, just as any commercial organisation has to do in the face of decreasing income. That's not nice for the punter, of course, but if all of our competitors are doing it then Hibs are well-placed to be relatively successful.

All that would mean is that we end up being successful in the baldy-guys-fighting-over-comb competition. We need to think bigger and that means being radical.

[green glory]

This thread is getting too quiet. We're all so engrossed at imminent Jambogeddon we're forgetting about the funny nuclear winter at Ibroke.

Chucky was telling the Australian supporters the other week the SPL commission would deliver it's findings on the 28th ie tomorrow. He usually vomits lie after lie, but this date may not be far off reality.

Looking forward to this immensely.

[Newry Hibs]

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This thread is getting too quiet. We're all so engrossed at imminent Jambogeddon we're forgetting about the funny nuclear winter at Ibroke.

Chucky was telling the Australian supporters the other week the SPL commission would deliver it's findings on the 28th ie tomorrow. He usually vomits lie after lie, but this date may not be far off reality.

Looking forward to this immensely.

It has been very queit about this decision. Makes me think CG knows what the result is and it's favourable to them (i.e. a bit of a telling off, but no trophy loss) - otherwise I'm sure he would have been mouthing off about them being victims etc etc ad nauseam.

[Keith_M]

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All that would mean is that we end up being successful in the baldy-guys-fighting-over-comb competition. We need to think bigger and that means being radical.

You're right, we need to employ a more ambitious financial model. We could splash out on a few World Cup winning stars and we'd be competing with the likes of Bayern, ManU, Barcelona et al before you know it. We'll be CL winners within five years


Wonder why no-one's though of it before

[s.a.m]

STV Sport‏@STVSportThe SPL will announce the verdict of Lord Nimmo Smith's investigation into Rangers at 12pm on Thursday, February 28 http://sport.stv.tv

[LeighLoyal]

Had a peak at Sevco media and saw a thread about why ESPN should aplogise to THEM (I.E the sectarian newco sc um) and anti Irish/Catholic chants are acceptable when the Catholic church has problems.

These Sevco Orcs will never get it. They shame Scotland all over the globe.

[LeighLoyal]

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STV Sport‏@STVSportThe SPL will announce the verdict of Lord Nimmo Smith's investigation into Rangers at 12pm on Thursday, February 28 http://sport.stv.tv

Investigation into Oldco. They are not Sevco's titles.

[StevieC]

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Investigation into Oldco. They are not Sevco's titles.

Don't tell Chuckie that, he'll go into meltdown!

[green glory]

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Investigation into Oldco. They are not Sevco's titles.

Of course that's true, so they won't mind if the titles are stripped from the Oldco. Oh erm wait.

:-D

[Moulin Yarns]

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STV Sport‏@STVSportThe SPL will announce the verdict of Lord Nimmo Smith's investigation into Rangers at 12pm on Thursday, February 28 http://sport.stv.tv

Just seen Chris McLaughlin say the same.

(Arma)geddon with it, will ya???

[LeighLoyal]

Will be fab to watch the bigot horde and Traynor in fury mode IF oldco's gong's are stripped. It could open a can of worms regards compensation for other spl teams cheated out of prize money, European qualification and in the Euro competitions themselves, plus the relegation of spl clubs if every false player registration means a 0-3 result... makes me think it'll be a whitewash, but wait nobody can sue newco because .... they're NOT their titles or the same club.

[AndyM_1875]

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Will be fab to watch the bigot horde and Traynor in fury mode IF oldco's gong's are stripped. It could open a can of worms regards compensation for other spl teams cheated out of prize money, European qualification and in the Euro competitions themselves, plus the relegation of spl clubs if every false player registration means a 0-3 result... makes me think it'll be a whitewash, but wait nobody can sue newco because .... they're NOT their titles or the same club.

There will be some language about 'learning lessons' and 'tightening up procedures' etc but I think you're right. Nothing will really happen.

[hibs0666]

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STV Sport‏@STVSportThe SPL will announce the verdict of Lord Nimmo Smith's investigation into Rangers at 12pm on Thursday, February 28 http://sport.stv.tv

I'm hearing that it's an open-and-shut case against them, they will be found guilty and Strathclyde's finest have been involved in the preparation leading up to the announcement.

Could be right laugh tomorrow.

[Jack]

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I'm hearing that it's an open-and-shut case against them, they will be found guilty and Strathclyde's finest have been involved in the preparation leading up to the announcement.

Could be right laugh tomorrow.

Do you mean they’ve posted armed guards outside everyone's home who has been part of the investigation, reads the report, supplied the paper, printing and postage – and I suppose the posties who have delivered them.

I suspect PapalGoogle will be accused of all sorts for listing the report within the first 140 pages.

[green glory]

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I'm hearing that it's an open-and-shut case against them, they will be found guilty and Strathclyde's finest have been involved in the preparation leading up to the announcement.

Could be right laugh tomorrow.

Apparently Nimmo Smith also has the legal authority to apply sanctions against BOTH Oldco and Newco.

http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/clubs...e-on-thursday/

[green glory]

Let it begin.

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