Share Transfers Agreed/Cooling off period

[ScottB]

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I also think that the SPL or whoever it is that's dolling-out the punishments should have put a suspended sentence in place so that the yams (or whoever else) know exactly what faces them should they once again default. Just saying that further sanctions will be put in place leaves everyone in the dark.

FFS - by the yams own admission they've stated that they don't have the cash to see them to the seasons end - they are behind with rent, tax and probably PAYE and god knows what else.

One other thing - if UBIG/Ukio do go under this week, would the yams automatically enter administration?

Well we have seen that for years now their 'accounts' basically state they only continue as going concern because of the support of Ukio / UBIG / Vlad. Surely if that support mechanism is totally removed, then they'd have to shut down. Wouldn't the directors become liable for any further losses because they would basically be trading while insolvent?

If the bank isn't ploughing any money in, and it certainly seems that it isn't, then it's not going to be a case of them running out of money, surely it'll either be the above situation, or whoever gets their hands on the remains of Vladcorp calling in the debts. Certainly from my limited knowledge I can't see how they can survive the collapse of Ukio...

[Ozyhibby]

On a lighter note, this is the first time I've been on this thread on the computer as opposed to my phone and I have just noticed that some of the pics have changed to Hector but some have no pic. Why?

[Mikey]

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One other thing - if UBIG/Ukio do go under this week, would the yams automatically enter administration?

That's an 18 point deduction if they do. They would be 2 points adrift at the bottom

And breath life back into our bet

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On a lighter note, this is the first time I've been on this thread on the computer as opposed to my phone and I have just noticed that some of the pics have changed to Hector but some have no pic. Why?

Anyone who has an avatar has it automatically changed to Hector on this thread. If there's no avatar it remains blank.

Courtesy of that awfy clever No.10

[jgl07]

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Imo there won't be a points deduction, the next step should imo be that they're not allowed to play any player that isn't paid up to date.

That would be a shame for Queens Park!

[SloopJB]

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Why are the banks in danger of going under this week in particular? The stocks have been down for quite a while, I know that, but why do you mention this coming week?

The whole thread is based on guessology combined with the twisted logic that bad news stories about hearts are true, even if you make it up yourself, while good news stories are obviously made up by deluded hearts fans.
5 years of tick tocking, two countdown to last ever game meters and countless dudds stealing wages from hearts must convince you they will go bust this..... sorry, next week

[PatHead]

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The whole thread is based on guessology combined with the twisted logic that bad news stories about hearts are true, even if you make it up yourself, while good news stories are obviously made up by deluded hearts fans.
5 years of tick tocking, two countdown to last ever game meters and countless dudds stealing wages from hearts must convince you they will go bust this..... sorry, next week

or the week after that...................

[Ozyhibby]

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The whole thread is based on guessology combined with the twisted logic that bad news stories about hearts are true, even if you make it up yourself, while good news stories are obviously made up by deluded hearts fans.
5 years of tick tocking, two countdown to last ever game meters and countless dudds stealing wages from hearts must convince you they will go bust this..... sorry, next week

We only have to be right once.

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We only have to be right once.

Thats what I like a good positive post

[The Green Goblin]

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FFS - by the yams own admission they've stated that they don't have the cash to see them to the seasons end - they are behind with rent, tax and probably PAYE and god knows what else?

Ah, but they have Wilson and Ngoo (Liverpool players don't you know?) making a difference on the park...and that's all that matters. All that money nonsense is just noise from an exaggerated media agenda against Hearts by journos and bitter Hobos. 5-1. It will be fine. As long as there's good players in the team, whatever it takes....that's what matters. Etc.

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The whole thread is based on guessology combined with the twisted logic that bad news stories about hearts are true, even if you make it up yourself, while good news stories are obviously made up by deluded hearts fans.
5 years of tick tocking, two countdown to last ever game meters and countless dudds stealing wages from hearts must convince you they will go bust this..... sorry, next week

There is certainly no "guessology" involved. Although it is difficult to put an exact date on when the end comes make no mistake they cannot go on as is, a fact acknowledged by the nonsense statements emanating from Tynecastle. The only guessing is whether the changes they have made are enough to allow them to continue in their present form, and we wont know this until they produce their accounts, which are already late. UBIG's directors will already know, and will have for months before the results are published (probably sometime in April), but the fact they have not been released yet suggests that all may not be well.

[Time For Heroes]

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The whole thread is based on guessology combined with the twisted logic that bad news stories about hearts are true, even if you make it up yourself, while good news stories are obviously made up by deluded hearts fans.
5 years of tick tocking, two countdown to last ever game meters and countless dudds stealing wages from hearts must convince you they will go bust this..... sorry, next week

"The whole thread is based on guessology"
I dont believe that, guessology isnt even a word. ;0)

[Dashing Bob S]

They've been messed up and heading for the rocks for years now. Perhaps when the whole stinking edifice crashes into the abyss of non-league, Saughton enclosure hell, we will ask the real question, which is the biggest mystery in Scottish football: what took them so long? Why did Romanov continue to operate this club in such a ridiculous manner when he himself recognised the 'glass ceiling' in Scottish football of corrupt, sectarian-led, in-built institutionalised OF dominance?

It can only be through terrible idiotic business decision making, rampant, deluded egotism, or shady personal gain. And here we move into the murky waters of the black economy and East European politics and finances.

The real story of this era of Hearts (and Scottish football) is yet to be told, and will undoubtedly make for utterly sordid reading.

That tale might be some time in unraveling.

[Spike Mandela]

The way it's going if Hearts' demise gets any worse they might actually win the treble.

[Kaiser1962]

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The way it's going if Hearts' demise gets any worse they might actually win the treble.

Dont worry Spike. They are out the SC.

[SloopJB]

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There is certainly no "guessology" involved. Although it is difficult to put an exact date on when the end comes make no mistake they cannot go on as is, a fact acknowledged by the nonsense statements emanating from Tynecastle. The only guessing is whether the changes they have made are enough to allow them to continue in their present form, and we wont know this until they produce their accounts, which are already late. UBIG's directors will already know, and will have for months before the results are published (probably sometime in April), but the fact they have not been released yet suggests that all may not be well.

So you know exactly what the consequence of the UKIO share price has on HOMFC, Exactly how much Hearts are paying for their loan players, exactly how much money they have, exactly how much they need, exactly who will be leaving, eactly how much if any will be realised, exactly when they will pay wages owed or default.

The 1st bold bit, are they facts or are they nonesense, the 2nd bold bit suggests rather than guess, either way, you don't know for sure.

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"The whole thread is based on guessology"
I dont believe that, guessology isnt even a word. ;0)

Of course there is, It's the ology of Guesstimationism.

[ScottB]

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The way it's going if Hearts' demise gets any worse they might actually win the treble.

Leeds and Portsmouth both enjoyed success right before they imploded...

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So you know exactly what the consequence of the UKIO share price has on HOMFC, Exactly how much Hearts are paying for their loan players, exactly how much money they have, exactly how much they need, exactly who will be leaving, eactly how much if any will be realised, exactly when they will pay wages owed or default.

The 1st bold bit, are they facts or are they nonesense, the 2nd bold bit suggests rather than guess, either way, you don't know for sure.

We can take what such situations would mean in general, and apply them to Hearts. Nobody has said 'they will be bust by tomorrow. FACT.' or anything like that. Nobody knows when or indeed, if it will all come crashing down, but we can react to the facts we have; they can't pay their players, the bank is on the verge of collapse, another Lith bank is seeking to absorb the remains of Ukio etc. and then suggest the likely outcome.

As a situation it's going to inspire speculation on here, if you don't want to read that speculation come back to the thread once the bulldozers have pulled up in Gorgie!

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Imo there won't be a points deduction, the next step should imo be that they're not allowed to play any player that isn't paid up to date.

Why should a player be made to miss out on potential income from appearance and bonus money?
I reckon the players union would be down on this like a ton of bricks.

[Kaiser1962]

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So you know exactly what the consequence of the UKIO share price has on HOMFC, Exactly how much Hearts are paying for their loan players, exactly how much money they have, exactly how much they need, exactly who will be leaving, eactly how much if any will be realised, exactly when they will pay wages owed or default.

The 1st bold bit, are they facts or are they nonesense, the 2nd bold bit suggests rather than guess, either way, you don't know for sure.

I thought my post made clear that no-one, outside UBIG's inner circle, knows for sure what Hearts current position is and that we can only base our predictions on information that we already have, which is that we know for sure that they are overspending by £7m per season, and that is unsustainable. We also know that they have failed to pay their players according to their contracts on a number of occassions. We know that their directors have recently issued a plea for money (although they might have been lying) and said they would not make it to the end of the season if they didnt get it (may be a lie also).

We have no idea how the collapse of UKIO will affect Hearts, if at all but we also know that the Hearts directors are employed, first and foremost, by UBIG and their responsibilities are primarily to UBIG. We also know that Hearts are late, again, publishing their accounts and we know that no share certificates, with regard to their recent share issue, have been issued to the purchasers and neither have they been lodged at companies house. We also know that their debts far exceed their assetts and are, technically, a busted flush.

[Caversham Green]

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The whole thread is based on guessology combined with the twisted logic that bad news stories about hearts are true, even if you make it up yourself, while good news stories are obviously made up by deluded hearts fans.
5 years of tick tocking, two countdown to last ever game meters and countless dudds stealing wages from hearts must convince you they will go bust this..... sorry, next week

• HoMFC have only survived over the last five years because of the financial support of V. Romanov and his business empire.
• V Romanov has stated that HoMFC would no longer receive financial support from him or his business empire.
• Share values in V Romanov's business empire have plummeted over the last few months.
• Prior to the share issue the board of HoMFC (who are the only ones with full knowledge of HoMFC's financial position) have stated that the club would not survive this season without substantial financial input from other sources.
• According to the board of HoMFC the targets set by them have not been met.
• If the board of HoMFC were not being truthful they have taken the Gorgie faithful for £1m+.

The above points are the basis of this thread. Tell me which are guessology, twisted logic, untrue or made up.

[Time For Heroes]

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Of course there is, It's the ology of Guesstimationism.

:D at my school I only got taught possibliesmaybies
Apologies
;D

[SloopJB]

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Leeds and Portsmouth both enjoyed success right before they imploded...




We can take what such situations would mean in general, and apply them to Hearts. Nobody has said 'they will be bust by tomorrow. FACT.' or anything like that. Nobody knows when or indeed, if it will all come crashing down, but we can react to the facts we have; they can't pay their players, the bank is on the verge of collapse, another Lith bank is seeking to absorb the remains of Ukio etc. and then suggest the likely outcome.

As a situation it's going to inspire speculation on here, if you don't want to read that speculation come back to the thread once the bulldozers have pulled up in Gorgie!

Yes the have, witness the countdown meter.
Is that the rules, have a different opinion to you then don't come back until the event is confirmed?
Again the word GEUSS has been replaced with SUGGEST, my point was it is all based on guesswork which you appear to be endorsing, I guess.

I'll come back when I please, unless of course you ban me.

[ScottB]

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Yes the have, witness the countdown meter.
Is that the rules, have a different opinion to you then don't come back until the event is confirmed?
Again the word GEUSS has been replaced with SUGGEST, my point was it is all based on guesswork which you appear to be endorsing, I guess.

I'll come back when I please, unless of course you ban me.

My point was why come on to a thread composed entirely of speculation to complain there aren't any FACTS on it?

The countdowns and the like where counting down to court cases and payment dates, any of which would have put them to the sword had they not been able to resolve them. If we all sit in silence till any future point when they do hit the wall it wouldn't make this much of a discussion board would it?

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Yes the have, witness the countdown meter.
Is that the rules, have a different opinion to you then don't come back until the event is confirmed?
Again the word GEUSS has been replaced with SUGGEST, my point was it is all based on guesswork which you appear to be endorsing, I guess.

I'll come back when I please, unless of course you ban me.

The countdown clock was directly based on a statement on the HoMFC website - no speculation or guesswork involved on the part of Hibs.net.

[SloopJB]

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My point was why come on to a thread composed entirely of speculation to complain there aren't any FACTS on it?

The countdowns and the like where counting down to court cases and payment dates, any of which would have put them to the sword had they not been able to resolve them. If we all sit in silence till any future point when they do hit the wall it wouldn't make this much of a discussion board would it?

There were two count down meters to their last ever game.

I find it interesting reading but there is real work to be done filtering out the rubbish from the facts, there is fun to be had poking fun but what I'm finding is sometimes the fun poking, made up bits and guesswork is taken as gospel and grows arms and legs. Wages not paid this month? dunno, but hit them with a 6 point penalty, then the discussion grows how hard they should be hit for their cheating. The info might just be wrong, so yes a discussion can be had about possible sanctions but the tone of the posts suggest they are guilty now.

Cav posted the basis of the thread which is about right but go back to the begining and read again. I got 4 pages into the 249 so far and found enough to back up what I'm saying.

Sometimes, it isn't much of a discussion board but sometimes people take a different view. Some question that view which is the best reaction, others challenge, ridicule and/or insult.

Sometimes, a different opinion makes it a good discussion board.

I've had my own opinions challenged and in a couple of occasions my opinions have changed because of the discussion, that's evidence of a great discussion board.

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I find it interesting reading but there is real work to be done filtering out the rubbish....

Tip. Click on the 'Forum Actions' at the top of the page. On the drop-down, click on 'General Settings'. Select the 'Edit Ignore List' and it's job done

[SloopJB]

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Tip. Click on the 'Forum Actions' at the top of the page. On the drop-down, click on 'General Settings'. Select the 'Edit Ignore List' and it's job done

Cheers Srergey,

Does that just leave the facts on display?

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The countdown clock was directly based on a statement on the HoMFC website - no speculation or guesswork involved on the part of Hibs.net.

Was that where they said there would be consequences?

[The Green Goblin]

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There were two count down meters to their last ever game.

I find it interesting reading but there is real work to be done filtering out the rubbish from the facts, there is fun to be had poking fun but what I'm finding is sometimes the fun poking, made up bits and guesswork is taken as gospel and grows arms and legs. Wages not paid this month? dunno, but hit them with a 6 point penalty, then the discussion grows how hard they should be hit for their cheating. The info might just be wrong, so yes a discussion can be had about possible sanctions but the tone of the posts suggest they are guilty now.

Cav posted the basis of the thread which is about right but go back to the begining and read again. I got 4 pages into the 249 so far and found enough to back up what I'm saying.

Sometimes, it isn't much of a discussion board but sometimes people take a different view. Some question that view which is the best reaction, others challenge, ridicule and/or insult.

Sometimes, a different opinion makes it a good discussion board.

I've had my own opinions challenged and in a couple of occasions my opinions have changed because of the discussion, that's evidence of a great discussion board.

Caversham Green posted a bullet pointed sequence of reasons/facts in response to your original post, but you didn't acknowledge or reply to it, yet you are simultaneously criticising the lack of debate based on facts on this thread. A bit unfair imho.

[#FromTheCapital]

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Why should a player be made to miss out on potential income from appearance and bonus money?
I reckon the players union would be down on this like a ton of bricks.

In this case it serves the players right for signing for h****s in the first place when everyone knows how much of a shambles they are financially. I have no sympathy for any football player missing out on bonus money, they are paid far too much anyway.

The players union probably would have something to say about this though and I don't think this type of punishment will happen as much as some of us would like it to. I think a points deduction will be the next punishment for them if they fail to pay again this season.

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Caversham Green posted a bullet pointed sequence of reasons/facts in response to your original post, but you didn't acknowledge or reply to it, yet you are simultaneously criticising the lack of debate based on facts on this thread. A bit unfair imho.

Ok, I'll reply to it.
Acknowledged in the thread.
It will take a while as 249 pages to go through to select the posts required.
I have 1 A4 sheet just now after 4 pages.

Thank you

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Ok, I'll reply to it.
Acknowledged in the thread.
It will take a while as 249 pages to go through to select the posts required.
I have 1 A4 sheet just now after 4 pages.

Thank you

It was less than ten posts back, so not such a big effort required.

What I don't understand here is, if this thread annoys you so much (and it really seems to bother you, judging by your replies), why don't you just ignore it, or not read it? Genuine question.