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[LancsHibs]

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You'd be surprised, beattie signed for them last season amongst all the wage problems, albeit they weren't in as bad a state as they are now.

Skacel would bend over and even put their cock in his hole for them to help out

And don't forget about 'thicky' Stevenson

[lord bunberry]

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I would expect an extension of the signing embargo and possibly a suspended points deduction.

Your probably right with that as its a punishment that doesn't actually punish them

[Spike Mandela]

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I think that will depend on what the next set of sanctions are if they are something that would possibly tip them over the edge then they won't impose them and lets face it if it were any club other than hearts we would probably agree with them

The transfer embargo is basically saving them from themselves and isn't a punishment as such. One that wouldn't tip them over the financial edge would be to ban them from playing any unpaid players. This reduces the unfair quality advantage in their team and would also be a deterrant to any player signing for them in the knowledge his career might suffer, would also make them less likely to accept wage deferrals.

Why are authorities in this country so scared to issue a sanction which is actually a punishment.

[lord bunberry]

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The transfer embargo is basically saving them from themselves and isn't a punishment as such. One that wouldn't tip them over the financial edge would be to ban them from playing any unpaid players. This reduces the unfair quality advantage in their team and would also be a deterrant to any player signing for them in the knowledge his career might suffer, would also make them less likely to accept wage deferrals.

Why are authorities in this country so scared to issue a sanction which is actually a punishment.

For me its simple if you don't pay a player you can't play him no need for hearings or complicated legislation everyone knows where they stand

[#FromTheCapital]

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The transfer embargo is basically saving them from themselves and isn't a punishment as such. One that wouldn't tip them over the financial edge would be to ban them from playing any unpaid players. This reduces the unfair quality advantage in their team and would also be a deterrant to any player signing for them in the knowledge his career might suffer, would also make them less likely to accept wage deferrals.

Why are authorities in this country so scared to issue a sanction which is actually a punishment.

This would be the most fair punishment although they would probably struggle to get a full team, which could provoke another hilarious statement on their website asking for people to volunteer

[brog]

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You'd think ... but the players have signed "adjusted contracts", and I suspect those contracts aren't definitive about how long the deferral may be.

I don't believe the players have signed anything. Yams announced they were on " amended contracts" purely to get them off the hook.

[Mikey]

Agreed. It happened too quickly.

[hibees 7062]

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Who would sign for them in this state

Scatchel

[Pedantic_Hibee]

I'm still absolutely howling at the fact a club as *massive* as Hearts are relying on making Banoffee f*****g Pies just to try and stay alive.

'We're in severe financial turmoil.....I know, let's make a trifle, motherf*****s!!!!'

Mental.

[clerriehibs]

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I don't believe the players have signed anything. Yams announced they were on " amended contracts" purely to get them off the hook.

If this is true, then the players must still be on prevoous contracts, so WTF is the spl doing about it? Bunch of friggin inepts.

[JimBHibees]

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I don't believe the players have signed anything. Yams announced they were on " amended contracts" purely to get them off the hook.

and no doubt then told they would be named and shamed if they kicked up and Hearts ended up going bust.

[CropleyWasGod]

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If this is true, then the players must still be on prevoous contracts, so WTF is the spl doing about it? Bunch of friggin inepts.

The SPL can only go on what information is given to them, not what is hypothesised on a message board. If HMFC are telling porkies about the deferrals, one would expect that the SPFA would have advised the SPL by now.

[clerriehibs]

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The SPL can only go on what information is given to them, not what is hypothesised on a message board. If HMFC are telling porkies about the deferrals, one would expect that the SPFA would have advised the SPL by now.

Not quite true - they're currently 'investigating' old rangers, and i'm sure they have the grounds to closely monitor player wages at hearts.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Not quite true - they're currently 'investigating' old rangers, and i'm sure they have the grounds to closely monitor player wages at hearts.

They are investigating Rangers because the case was made against them in the public domain, and so was available to the SPL.

[clerriehibs]

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They are investigating Rangers because the case was made against them in the public domain, and so was available to the SPL.

They are also on hearts case for unpaid wages - and I believe no-one has to raise a formal complaint to the spl about not getting their money anymore.

[CropleyWasGod]

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They are also on hearts case for unpaid wages - and I believe no-one has to raise a formal complaint to the spl about not getting their money anymore.

Sorry, don't get your point. If their understanding (either by HMFC telling them, or by their own investigations) is that there has been a deferral, then there's nothing more that they can do. However, if it then becomes apparent (eg by a player or the SPFA telling them) that it isn't a voluntary deferral, then there is a case to answer.

Remember, too, that it appears that not all of the players agreed to the deferral. If that's the case, then the deferral is entirely voluntary and, IMO, there is no case.

[Onion]

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The transfer embargo is basically saving them from themselves and isn't a punishment as such. One that wouldn't tip them over the financial edge would be to ban them from playing any unpaid players. This reduces the unfair quality advantage in their team and would also be a deterrant to any player signing for them in the knowledge his career might suffer, would also make them less likely to accept wage deferrals.

Why are authorities in this country so scared to issue a sanction which is actually a punishment.

The sanction should be plain and simple - if a player isn't paid, then he cannot play. How difficult can this be ?

[CropleyWasGod]

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The sanction should be plain and simple - if a player isn't paid, then he cannot play. How difficult can this be ?

That may be the next step in terms of setting the rules. However, the SPFA may have some reservations.... eg, what happens if the player is subject to a club fine, and isn't due any wages for that week/month?

[clerriehibs]

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Sorry, don't get your point. If their understanding (either by HMFC telling them, or by their own investigations) is that there has been a deferral, then there's nothing more that they can do. However, if it then becomes apparent (eg by a player or the SPFA telling them) that it isn't a voluntary deferral, then there is a case to answer.

Remember, too, that it appears that not all of the players agreed to the deferral. If that's the case, then the deferral is entirely voluntary and, IMO, there is no case.

But you say it appears not all of the players accepted deferral - if there's even one in conflict with hmfc, then they are in breach.

And my point is, as hearts are already in a posirion of receiving penalties for late wages, and if the players no longer have to complain about non-payment, then the spl are entitled, or even obliged to, ask the offending club - "have you paid wages as per the contracts we have copies of?"

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That may be the next step in terms of setting the rules. However, the SPFA may have some reservations.... eg, what happens if the player is subject to a club fine, and isn't due any wages for that week/month?

He is due - fines would be a "normal" deduction and they can only fine after tax due.

[CropleyWasGod]

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But you say it appears not all of the players accepted deferral - if there's even one in conflict with hmfc, then they are in breach.

And my point is, as hearts are already in a posirion of receiving penalties for late wages, and if the players no longer have to complain about non-payment, then the spl are entitled, or even obliged to, ask the offending club - "have you paid wages as per the contracts we have copies of?"

The ones who didn't accept the deferral were paid, as I understand it. Therefore there is no breach.

I think Hearts' defence to the second point is that the contracts were amended. Presumably, although I am not sure, those amended contracts will be lodged with the SPL.

[clerriehibs]

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The ones who didn't accept the deferral were paid, as I understand it. Therefore there is no breach.

I think Hearts' defence to the second point is that the contracts were amended. Presumably, although I am not sure, those amended contracts will be lodged with the SPL.

But only acceptable to the spl if signed - which some on here doubt

[CropleyWasGod]

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But only acceptable to the spl if signed - which some on here doubt

The SPL have already publicly acknowledged the contract amendments.

[Sergio sledge]

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The sanction should be plain and simple - if a player isn't paid, then he cannot play. How difficult can this be ?

Agree in principal, however this would probably lead to clubs deciding not to pay the wages of administrative staff, youth players, coaches etc. instead of high earners so that they can still play a strong team. Unfortunately this would have a greater impact on the people who can least afford to go without wages for a couple of months.

[brog]

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The SPL have already publicly acknowledged the contract amendments.

They have indeed but I doubt very much if anyone has requested or seen a written contract amendment. As Mikey says, it happened far too quickly.

[Hibbyradge]

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[Hibercelona]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...iness-20446382

82% of businesses are running smoothly and sensibly, while 18% of businesses are hanging on for their lives, or their half (zombie) lives.


I wonder which percent group the yams fall under.










































(I was very bored before anybody asks. )

[Craig_in_Prague]

Ma wife works am awright McGlynn said he wants to see 1m raised .. where are all these different targets being plucked from?
He also said he would defer his wages again if required.

Hope this whole **** circus has its lights put out for good by end of the year.

[Ozyhibby]

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Ma wife works am awright McGlynn said he wants to see 1m raised .. where are all these different targets being plucked from?
He also said he would defer his wages again if required.

Hope this whole **** circus has its lights put out for good by end of the year.

Looks like they may make it to the end of the year unless they are telling porkies about the amount of money they have raised.
That means we will have at least 2 more games against them while they are on financial steroids.
Still think we will beat them.

[HoboHarry]

So when were/are the payments due that they are meant to be making by early December?

[monktonharp]

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Agree in principal, however this would probably lead to clubs deciding not to pay the wages of administrative staff, youth players, coaches etc. instead of high earners so that they can still play a strong team. Unfortunately this would have a greater impact on the people who can least afford to go without wages for a couple of months.

I am quietely confident this will be a major problematic area for the gorgie mob.if they have somehow got background staff,young players, fringe players to agree to defer, it will soon start to hurt most of these people in their pocket. in this day and age it's bloody hard to survive financially and a lot of them may have set their lifestyle up to have a fairly big house, good car etc. we'll see at the start of next year I suppose, but I do think some will be in touch with the players union soon. I am waiting with baited breath, to hear what F.Wishart has to say.