Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Hibs Class]

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A point conveniently ignored by the orcs when they`re discussing on their forums how much England would love to have them and not Celtic in their competition. I`m pretty sure that no league in Europe would want either of these two bigots in their leagues.

even scotland don't want them in our league, let alone any other country. It's almost as if green wakes up each day and feels he has to be more outrageous than the previous day, and so he spouts more extreme pish.

[majorhibs]

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A wee thought. Please don't take this personally Falkirk, but why copy all of the Alex Thomson blog when you have given the link? If anybody wants to read it they can follow the link. I read it this morning and found it interesting, but I don't necessarily want to read it again.

Another wee thought. Not everybody follows links, especially when their server is the cheapest nastiest version possible supplied by their employers on an offshore installation, when downloading links can take what seems like forever.
Cheers, Falkirk, even if you've tried Pitlochry's patience there, I appreciated it!

[basehibby]

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[basehibby]

Reading responses to the likes of McMurdo's blog (see last page) it's scary, realising the actual amount of stoneage zombie bigots that exist in Scotland and the degree of the paranoid gibberish which they indulge themselves in.

Their delusion knows no bounds and the lines of "logic" they follow in trying to blame their predicament on anyone and everyone but them and their own, makes the likes of the creationists look like a bunch of hard nosed scientific rationalists.

What is every bit as alarming is the willingness of Green at their forefront to indulge them in their petty prejudices and actually encourage their increasingly paranoid and isolationist tendencies.

Personally, although I always wanted to see Rangers punished suitably for what amounted to their grand larceny subjected onto us, the taxpayers and their creditors as a whole, equally, I always firmly believed that noone should stand in the way of allowing a newly formed Rangers back into the league structure.

Nowadays, given the refusal on the part of their idiot slaver of a chief executive to acknowledge their wrongdoing and his apparent objective to STIR UP the hateful prejudices of the many knuckledraggers that follow Rangers, rather than turning over a new leaf and putting their bigotted history behind them, now I am not so sure!

So watch out Sevco/TheRangers/Zombies or whatever - if Green turns out to be half the idiot he appears to be and it all goes flying tits up once again - DON'T expect any more favours - next time I will be joining the ranks of those that will call for a total exclusion of Rangers, or any offshoot thereof, from Scottish football forevermore.

Still, one fringe benefit that does spring from the continuing odiousness of Sevco and their followers - it does make it all the sweeter on the frequent occasions when the wheels fall off and they're made to eat humble pie by the likes of mighty Stirling Albion .

[Keith_M]

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Personally, although I always wanted to see Rangers punished suitably for what amounted to their grand larceny subjected onto us, the taxpayers and their creditors as a whole, equally, I always firmly believed that noone should stand in the way of allowing a newly formed Rangers back into the league structure.

Nowadays, given the refusal on the part of their idiot slaver of a chief executive to acknowledge their wrongdoing and his apparent objective to STIR UP the hateful prejudices of the many knuckledraggers that follow Rangers, rather than turning over a new leaf and putting their bigotted history behind them, now I am not so sure!

So watch out Sevco/TheRangers/Zombies or whatever - if Green turns out to be half the idiot he appears to be and it all goes flying tits up once again - DON'T expect any more favours - next time I will be joining the ranks of those that will call for a total exclusion of Rangers, or any offshoot thereof, from Scottish football forevermore.........

You mirror my feelings exactly.

I thought there was a remote possibility that the new club taking their place would just take their punishment, with at least some humility, and get on with working their way up the leagues to the SPL. In view of the attitude taken by the Hun Hordes since then and their attack on anything and anybody they view as anti-Rangers, I now wish them entirely out of existence.


Note: I updated the Wikipedia Page of Former Scottish Football Clubs. Does telling the truth make me a Bigot as well?

[Caversham Green]

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Reading responses to the likes of McMurdo's blog (see last page) it's scary, realising the actual amount of stoneage zombie bigots that exist in Scotland and the degree of the paranoid gibberish which they indulge themselves in.

Their delusion knows no bounds and the lines of "logic" they follow in trying to blame their predicament on anyone and everyone but them and their own, makes the likes of the creationists look like a bunch of hard nosed scientific rationalists.

What is every bit as alarming is the willingness of Green at their forefront to indulge them in their petty prejudices and actually encourage their increasingly paranoid and isolationist tendencies.

Personally, although I always wanted to see Rangers punished suitably for what amounted to their grand larceny subjected onto us, the taxpayers and their creditors as a whole, equally, I always firmly believed that noone should stand in the way of allowing a newly formed Rangers back into the league structure.

Nowadays, given the refusal on the part of their idiot slaver of a chief executive to acknowledge their wrongdoing and his apparent objective to STIR UP the hateful prejudices of the many knuckledraggers that follow Rangers, rather than turning over a new leaf and putting their bigotted history behind them, now I am not so sure!

So watch out Sevco/TheRangers/Zombies or whatever - if Green turns out to be half the idiot he appears to be and it all goes flying tits up once again - DON'T expect any more favours - next time I will be joining the ranks of those that will call for a total exclusion of Rangers, or any offshoot thereof, from Scottish football forevermore.

Still, one fringe benefit that does spring from the continuing odiousness of Sevco and their followers - it does make it all the sweeter on the frequent occasions when the wheels fall off and they're made to eat humble pie by the likes of mighty Stirling Albion .

That's pretty much where I am too.

Because of the size of Rangers fan base I think the current position is a reasonable compromise, although the way we got here was a disgrace, but their consistent failure to recognise that they have been treated extremely favourably and Green's constant spite towards the top clubs in the country means that IMO there should be no favours next time - they start at the bottom.

[Caversham Green]

Keechbag has its uses - I picked this up from it. It's long and written by a Celtc supporter but spot on in most respects.

http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/the-green-eyed-monster/

[CropleyWasGod]

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Keechbag has its uses - I picked this up from it. It's long and written by a Celtc supporter but spot on in most respects.

http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/the-green-eyed-monster/

I have been away for a couple of weeks, in a country where fitba colours are not in abundance, but they are mostly green. Internet connections are *****, hence I am needing a tutorial on wha's 'appenin.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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Charles Green on sky sports news saying money raised from stockmarket will be used to create a massive superstore and a CAFE ha ha ha.

Burger King Billy's?

[SurferRosa]

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Charles Green on sky sports news saying money raised from stockmarket will be used to create a massive superstore and a cafe ha ha ha.

i remember listening tae that. It sounds like he`s going tae build a city......what part of cloud cuckoo land does this idiot live in?

[Jack Hackett]

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Keechbag has its uses - I picked this up from it. It's long and written by a Celtc supporter but spot on in most respects.

http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/the-green-eyed-monster/

A very good read, and 'nail on the head' insightful. TY

[The Green Goblin]

I love the fact that "Downfall" immediately makes me think of the (excellent) film about the last days of Hitler's life. Great choice of title. I wonder if it crossed the author's mind

[LeighLoyal]

Green is like a belated parasite on a dried out turd that's past its sell by date.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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Oh my god....what did I just read?! And have you seen the comments underneath???

It would be laughable except these halfwits actually believe the pish they are posting.

[LeighLoyal]

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You mirror my feelings exactly.

I thought there was a remote possibility that the new club taking their place would just take their punishment, with at least some humility, and get on with working their way up the leagues to the SPL. In view of the attitude taken by the Hun Hordes since then and their attack on anything and anybody they view as anti-Rangers, I now wish them entirely out of existence.


Note: I updated the Wikipedia Page of Former Scottish Football Clubs. Does telling the truth make me a Bigot as well?

They've somehow commandeered and changed all Wiki pages relating to them. Not sure how, but I'll guess that the same threats and intimidation detailed out by Alex Thompson are keeping the outright lie that T'Rangers/Sevco = Rangers Football Club. Their bigoted club died by any definition, and you can't buy a dead/bankrupt entity's corporate history.

[SurferRosa]

More garbage from someone who will not accept that Rangers are responsible for their own demise. Conspiracy and revenge are the cause of SevCos plight apparently. Pay particular attention to the comments after the blog.......this is the attitude that is being fed and encouraged by these irresponsible idiots. Comments full of sectarian bile and unionist fervour proving that SevCo FC are little more than a focus for hatred and intolerance and very little to do with supporting a football club.

http://billmcmurdo.wordpress.com/201...on-rangers-fc/

[Keith_M]

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They've somehow commandeered and changed all Wiki pages relating to them. Not sure how, but I'll guess that the same threats and intimidation detailed out by Alex Thompson are keeping the outright lie that T'Rangers/Sevco = Rangers Football Club. Their bigoted club died by any definition, and you can't buy a dead/bankrupt entity's corporate history.

I noticed that. It looks like they're determined to rewrite history and control all media references to them.

I've tried changing it back again but I imagine it won't be long before it's re-edited.


Anyway, here's how the Wikipedia page on Former Scottish Clubs currently looks.

[CropleyWasGod]

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I noticed that. It looks like they're determined to rewrite history and control all media references to them.

I've tried changing it back again but I imagine it won't be long before it's re-edited.


Anyway, here's how the Wikipedia page on Former Scottish Clubs currently looks.

No Leith Athletic?

http://www.leithathleticfc.com/index.php/history/

[WindyMiller]

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More garbage from someone who will not accept that Rangers are responsible for their own demise. Conspiracy and revenge are the cause of SevCos plight apparently. Pay particular attention to the comments after the blog.......this is the attitude that is being fed and encouraged by these irresponsible idiots. Comments full of sectarian bile and unionist fervour proving that SevCo FC are little more than a focus for hatred and intolerance and very little to do with supporting a football club.

http://billmcmurdo.wordpress.com/201...on-rangers-fc/

I only read the first few lines, but this stood out.

""The answer again is yes, I believe there may indeed be a religious element involved in the Rangers-hating activity that takes place.
Even although Rangers is not a religion – nor does it promote one.
Some people say that religion and politics should be kept out of football.
That is a forlorn hope in Scotland.""


Makes you weep.

[Caversham Green]

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I have been away for a couple of weeks, in a country where fitba colours are not in abundance, but they are mostly green. Internet connections are *****, hence I am needing a tutorial on wha's 'appenin.

I don't think a great deal has happened tbh. Charlie has spouted some nonsense at various meetings with hun groups, I don't think the liquidation process has started yet and as far as I know nothing has emerged about the conflict of interest inquiry yet.

CG (Charlie Green, not me) said that 22m+ shares had been issued, but neglected to say what their nominal value was, so some people are assuming £22m was raised (22m shares at 25p gives us a familiar figure, but that may just be coincidence). He did say (according to the minutes of one of the meetings) that the shares had "traded" at 50p and latterly £1, but I can't see how that's possible while they're still a consortium-owned private company. He also said they were seeking to issue another 22m share on AIM.

He has also said that around half of the SPL chairmen didn't want to vote Sevco out of the SPL but were browbeaten into it. Apart from Motherwell when they were due to play them he hasn't named any of those chairmen, which leads me to think he's a coward as well as a liar. He also said Rangers would never play in the SPL.

His latest rant on the prospects of the new Rangers - in which he insults Aston Villa, Southampton and the reader's intelligence - is beyond parody, you really should read it for yourself.

Oh, and they lost to the bottom team in the SFL.

[Tynie01011973]

Found these on Pie & Bovril thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=-HyPCe73fdw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=4zt06w1eEOs

[SurferRosa]

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I don't think a great deal has happened tbh. Charlie has spouted some nonsense at various meetings with hun groups, I don't think the liquidation process has started yet and as far as I know nothing has emerged about the conflict of interest inquiry yet.

CG (Charlie Green, not me) said that 22m+ shares had been issued, but neglected to say what their nominal value was, so some people are assuming £22m was raised (22m shares at 25p gives us a familiar figure, but that may just be coincidence). He did say (according to the minutes of one of the meetings) that the shares had "traded" at 50p and latterly £1, but I can't see how that's possible while they're still a consortium-owned private company. He also said they were seeking to issue another 22m share on AIM.

He has also said that around half of the SPL chairmen didn't want to vote Sevco out of the SPL but were browbeaten into it. Apart from Motherwell when they were due to play them he hasn't named any of those chairmen, which leads me to think he's a coward as well as a liar. He also said Rangers would never play in the SPL.

His latest rant on the prospects of the new Rangers - in which he insults Aston Villa, Southampton and the reader's intelligence - is beyond parody, you really should read it for yourself.

Oh, and they lost to the bottom team in the SFL.

an eloquent summary of Charlie boys latest comedy gold CG.

[HH81]

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i remember listening tae that. It sounds like he`s going tae build a city......what part of cloud cuckoo land does this idiot live in?

If I had been asking the questions I would have moved into the more important things like, what you going to sell in the cafe......

He sounded like a right clown who was taking piss.

[steviehibsleith]

I have always been interested to see the running costs of Sevco - Murray park and the stadium and all back room staff PR etc . CG may have reduced the wage bill but its still probably the 2nd/3rd biggest in Scotland for a team in the 3rd division. Bill Millar had full access to all this and has maintened it was a no brainer and doomed to failure.

CG knows this and as far as I can see no one has up to date figures on how Sevco finances are doing - he jut states we are debt free i wonder in the short space of time since the takeover if that is still true hence why they are now asking for a share issue to raise money for his cafe and players etc , oh and WORKING CAPITAL !!

It is blatantly obvious that CG is hoping to get the £20 million - take his £11 million (doubling his 5.5 million loan) and say thanks i saved you now run yourself im off back to Yorkshire happy as larry.

Genuinely believe reporters,politicians are afraid to ask questions as those that do are threatened

Wish they would just go ...

[calmac12000]

Its rather sad to se that the events of the summer have in no way encouraged SEVCO or their fans to be in any way a tad humbler let alone consider entering the 21st Century.
It appears that evry second week down Govan way seems to be an excuse for an Orangefest with thet raditional songs of hate and intolerance. Whats more Green and Fat Sally are fairly blatantly playing the orange card, perhaps as much to distract the Hordes of Mordor from their dodgy start to the season as anything else.
Elsewhere, we havee Hun apologists such as Chick Dung trying to bring Rangers absence into the debate about the continued poor performance of the national team. So its very much a case of the old maxim that the more things change the more they remain the same. All the same there has been no Armageddon or funnily enough social disorder and as of yet no SPL or SFL club going to the wall. And bet of all, Hibs are looking almost decent and we all get a laugh at Rangers' away record.

[Kaiser1962]

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I have always been interested to see the running costs of Sevco - Murray park and the stadium and all back room staff PR etc . CG may have reduced the wage bill but its still probably the 2nd/3rd biggest in Scotland for a team in the 3rd division. Bill Millar had full access to all this and has maintened it was a no brainer and doomed to failure. ...

Prior to Rangers going belly up they had an income of £568m over the previous ten seasons and a wage bill of £329m for the same period. As you say this leaves substantial running costs of nearly £240m, or £24m per season. I dont know exactly what the £24m includes that might no longer be there (EBT payments? Interest on loans?) but this is probably cancelled out by the non payment of taxes which would leave the overall running costs pretty similar to what they where. If the wage bill is now around £6m (as CBM claims) then it will likely be at least equal to that of Hearts, but probably behind them.

Green's utterances, however, are taking on a more desperate tone as every day passes which leads me to believe that it is their running costs, not the wage bill, that is crippling them.

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Genuinely believe reporters,politicians are afraid to ask questions as those that do are threatened.

Totally agree. I am told a substantial number of journalists have reported threats to the NUJ.

[jgl07]

The question is: why is Green going for the share issue?

Is he planning some capital spending? The stadium doesn't really need expanding. 50,000 is more than adequate for Division Three. They don't need a training ground as they already have one.

Is he wanting to strengthen the team? Hardly as they have a transfer embargo in place for the next 15 months.

So why dilute his ownership with a share issue?

The only explanation is that he is running out of cash. If he is short in mid-October after 36,000 season ticket sales and playing to full houses at home, this suggests that his financial model is flawed.

The income will be way down on last season due to the discounted prices and high number of concessionary tickets not to mention the near collapse of TV income. The wages bill is almost certainly the highest in Scotland bar Celtic. The running costs of Ibrox and Murray Park will be as high as previous years.

David Murray couldn't balance the books even with SPL TV cash, regular Champions' League group stage appearances and tax dodging on an industrial scale. Bill Miller and his financial advisers had full access to the books and concluded that there was no way Rangers could be run (in the SPL) without losing in excess of £10 million a year or more.

[CropleyWasGod]

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I don't think a great deal has happened tbh. Charlie has spouted some nonsense at various meetings with hun groups, I don't think the liquidation process has started yet and as far as I know nothing has emerged about the conflict of interest inquiry yet.

CG (Charlie Green, not me) said that 22m+ shares had been issued, but neglected to say what their nominal value was, so some people are assuming £22m was raised (22m shares at 25p gives us a familiar figure, but that may just be coincidence). He did say (according to the minutes of one of the meetings) that the shares had "traded" at 50p and latterly £1, but I can't see how that's possible while they're still a consortium-owned private company. He also said they were seeking to issue another 22m share on AIM.

He has also said that around half of the SPL chairmen didn't want to vote Sevco out of the SPL but were browbeaten into it. Apart from Motherwell when they were due to play them he hasn't named any of those chairmen, which leads me to think he's a coward as well as a liar. He also said Rangers would never play in the SPL.

His latest rant on the prospects of the new Rangers - in which he insults Aston Villa, Southampton and the reader's intelligence - is beyond parody, you really should read it for yourself.

Oh, and they lost to the bottom team in the SFL.

Thank you

[Jim44]

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A very good read, and 'nail on the head' insightful. TY

http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/the-green-eyed-monster/



Just flagging this back up as it really is worth reading.

[EuanH78]

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The question is: why is Green going for the share issue?

Is he planning some capital spending? The stadium doesn't really need expanding. 50,000 is more than adequate for Division Three. They don't need a training ground as they already have one.

Is he wanting to strengthen the team? Hardly as they have a transfer embargo in place for the next 15 months.

So why dilute his ownership with a share issue?

The only explanation is that he is running out of cash. If he is short in mid-October after 36,000 season ticket sales and playing to full houses at home, this suggests that his financial model is flawed.

The income will be way down on last season due to the discounted prices and high number of concessionary tickets not to mention the near collapse of TV income. The wages bill is almost certainly the highest in Scotland bar Celtic. The running costs of Ibrox and Murray Park will be as high as previous years.

David Murray couldn't balance the books even with SPL TV cash, regular Champions' League group stage appearances and tax dodging on an industrial scale. Bill Miller and his financial advisers had full access to the books and concluded that there was no way Rangers could be run (in the SPL) without losing in excess of £10 million a year or more.

Personally I dont think Green cares very much whether the Huns are sustainable or not. Just my opinion, but the share issue is to make him some money in short time and he can get the hell out of dodge before it goes tits up again. At least thats what I hope is happening

The thread that keeps on giving!