Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[StevieC]

My guess is that the £20m is needed to tide them over for 3 years, with the assumption they will then be back in SPL. If the share issue fails I reckon there could be severe financial consequences.
And of course, failure to win promotion could also be catastrophic.

[greenginger]

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Is that the old football agent?

Yep, thats him, came originally from Niddrie and I knew him when he was a salesman with Timex watches in Dundee. Always was a real Bluenose, but seems to have gone completely crazy.

He had ( still has ) a house in Uddingston area called Ibrox. He once asked me where he could obtain a 60 foot flagpole as he wanted to hoist a Union Jack outside his house ever morning.

[WindyMiller]

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Yep, thats him, came originally from Niddrie and I knew him when he was a salesman with Timex watches in Dundee. Always was a real Bluenose, but seems to have gone completely crazy.

He had ( still has ) a house in Uddingston area called Ibrox. He once asked me where he could obtain a 60 foot flagpole as he wanted to hoist a Union Jack outside his house ever morning.

Comes across as an absolute 4rseh0le.

[greenginger]

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Comes across as an absolute 4rseh0le.

Sure does, I certainly never saw that side of him although he was a bit of a Bible basher, a member of some " Wee Free " style church and a strict tea-totaller.

It must be over 30 years since I saw him. I blame it all on the lack of drink !

[WindyMiller]

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Sure does, I certainly never saw that side of him although he was a bit of a Bible basher, a member of some " Wee Free " style church and a strict tea-totaller.

It must be over 30 years since I saw him. I blame it all on the lack of drink !

I know that a lack of drink can certainly get me pretty upset!

[LeighLoyal]

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When will these shares be issued on aim and at what price? Does anyone else agree that shorting them could be a worthy investment?

Would be a beauty. If you have a broker account and can get them to loan Sevco aim stock, short it to f...k it's going to drop through the floor like a knackered lift, quids in.

[Hibs07p]

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Oh my god....what did I just read?! And have you seen the comments underneath???

T Curwood. · October 10, 2012 - 6:33 pm · Reply→
Wee after thought,

halls of Broxbrun going bust 1700 jobs, Scots government silent, its coincidental Broxburn is a very tight knit Loyalist town.


Aye, and if you had paid your taxes, there might have been extra funds to ask for a subsidy.


That is some dilemma they have over there, arguing which offence is worse than the other. They want to believe that because sex offences against children is a disgusting crime often associated with the catholic church, their crime of depriving the public purse of £m's is some how justifiable.

[Hal Jordan]

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T Curwood. · October 10, 2012 - 6:33 pm · Reply→
Wee after thought,

halls of Broxbrun going bust 1700 jobs, Scots government silent, its coincidental Broxburn is a very tight knit Loyalist town.

That's hilarious, especially as most of the workers at Halls are migrant Polish Kafflicks

[s.a.m]

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thoms...gers-fans/2873

[green glory]

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That's hilarious, especially as most of the workers at Halls are migrant Polish Kafflicks

And also the Scottish Government are doing their best to save it.

Typical Hun bull****.

[robinp]

I see Charles Green continues in his quest to piss off every other club in Europe, he calls Southampton a small club and Aston Villa useless!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...les-Green.html

[YehButNoBut]

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I see Charles Green continues in his quest to piss off every other club in Europe, he calls Southampton a small club and Aston Villa useless!http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...les-Green.html

I am astounded that Green has the audacity to preach to other clubs about their finances and comment on well run clubs such as Villa & Southampton who at least pay their taxes.

The man is a nutjob.

[Phil MaGlass]

Green needs his heid looked at,Even the big clubs need teams like Villa and Southampton. As for super league, they are already in a super league, enjoy the third chaps, you might be staying there a while. I used to love it when Vlad came out with all his corrupt SFA nonsense BUT the guy was proved right when the 5hit hit the fan at Ibrox. Looks like Green has taken over Vlads mantle.

[poolman]

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https://www.rangersshareoffer.com/fo...ntDetails.aspx

Thank you, your interest has now been registered. We will send you an email in due course with details of how and when you can apply to invest in Rangers Football Club.

Reference: 00000037888
Name: Mr michael mouse
Proposed Investment: £10000.00

[LeighLoyal]

Green is so far off his dial its hard to know where to start. Bloody cheek he has though, same old pish about non existent Euro superleagues. I think Arsenal would rather play West Ham, Villa and Southampton than Sevco, Green, just a wee hunch! Guy is in total la la land.

[VickMackie]

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I see Charles Green continues in his quest to piss off every other club in Europe, he calls Southampton a small club and Aston Villa useless!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...les-Green.html

Deluded.

Arsenal aren't selling out a London derby but the fans would much rather play the bigots.

[SurferRosa]

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I see Charles Green continues in his quest to piss off every other club in Europe, he calls Southampton a small club and Aston Villa useless!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...les-Green.html

Green is playing up to the myth, so beloved by OF fans, that his club ( and Celtic ) are worldwide famous and envied. I`m pretty sure that as far as England and the rest of the world are concerned Rantic are just two teams that play in a wee league. Their own notions of their importance are as deluded as their thoughts of playing in England. English clubs couldn`t give a rats arse about them and to suggest that Arsenal would rather play them than compete in a London derby is frankly hilarious....

[ScottB]

The guy is playing the game, spouting the crap that the hardcore of his fanbase want to hear.

As Alex Thomson states in his blog today, this is incredibly dangerous. The club will eventually return to the SPL bitter, more hate filled than ever before. There is no repentance, no remorse from the ownership and a media more than happy to go a long with it or too terrified to question it.

There's a little soundbite in the BBC Scottish gossip column saying Rangers won't play in the SPL under his watch because he wants big changes to how the topflight is run... Still thinking he has both the right and the clout to make demands I see. This kind of nonsense might appeal to the knuckle draggers in his support, but after their 'presentation' at Hampden a few months back he should have figure out it will do him no favours with the other clubs...


If some sort of Euro league structure emerges, so be it. But from the sounds of it UEFA are looking towards merging smaller leagues together. In any case some sort of League involving only the very best is simply not going to include the Old Firm. Their behaviour would not be welcomed nor tolerated, and of course, they simply aren't as big as they think themselves to be.

[LeighLoyal]

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The guy is playing the game, spouting the crap that the hardcore of his fanbase want to hear.

As Alex Thomson states in his blog today, this is incredibly dangerous. The club will eventually return to the SPL bitter, more hate filled than ever before. There is no repentance, no remorse from the ownership and a media more than happy to go a long with it or too terrified to question it.

There's a little soundbite in the BBC Scottish gossip column saying Rangers won't play in the SPL under his watch because he wants big changes to how the topflight is run... Still thinking he has both the right and the clout to make demands I see. This kind of nonsense might appeal to the knuckle draggers in his support, but after their 'presentation' at Hampden a few months back he should have figure out it will do him no favours with the other clubs...


If some sort of Euro league structure emerges, so be it. But from the sounds of it UEFA are looking towards merging smaller leagues together. In any case some sort of League involving only the very best is simply not going to include the Old Firm. Their behaviour would not be welcomed nor tolerated, and of course, they simply aren't as big as they think themselves to be.

It's utter pish to sell Sevco shares surely, only the thickest hun/succulent lamb eating hack is going to swallow this mince. Utter bollocks.

[Gettin' Auld]

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Yep, thats him, came originally from Niddrie and I knew him when he was a salesman with Timex watches in Dundee. Always was a real Bluenose, but seems to have gone completely crazy.

He had ( still has ) a house in Uddingston area called Ibrox. He once asked me where he could obtain a 60 foot flagpole as he wanted to hoist a Union Jack outside his house ever morning.

No it's not him. The blogger is the football agents son. It mentions who he is at the top of his blog - http://billmcmurdo.wordpress.com/about/

[LeighLoyal]

Saw this on the AFC chat site.


Alex Thomson's latest blog - titled " Threats and silence, The intimidation by Rangers fans

http://blogs.channel...ngers-fans/2873

As I’ve said before my interest in Rangers stems purely from the standpoint of it being a spectacular example of a corporate omnishambles: British mismanagement so profound and bewildering it veers between performance art and social car-crash. With the loyal Rangers fans left mugged in the middle.

It’s still happening. Past mismanagement matched by the odious behaviour of a no-doubt small minority of Rangers fans apparently hellbent on proving the new Rangers will be like the old.

An element of the Rangers customer base remains out of order and neither Rangers, nor Scotland’s football authorities, nor the police appear willing or able to do much about it.

I’m talking intimidation.

Of the legal profession. Of football’s governing bodies. Of football club executives. Of publishing. Of bookshops. Of newspapers. Of TV stations.

Tellingly, in Glasgow this will come as news to nobody. Which should tell anybody half awake how sick things are in this singular aspect of that great city.

Outside Scotland people may legitimately wonder how or why this is tolerated? Or simply gawp in astonishment that such things go on almost daily this year.

And it is arguably getting worse.

Consider the following brief summary of just some of what’s happened in Glasgow since Rangers’ downfall began, not a year ago.

THE LAWYERS

In April a 3 man Scottish FA Tribunal dared punish Rangers for bringing the game into disrepute (so seriously it was deemed just short of match-fixing).

Gary Allan QC, Raith Rovers director Eric Drysdale, and former commentator, Alastair Murning had their identities disclosed as well as private details with threats so serious the police advised all three on security measures.

Their identities became public after the Rangers manager no less, Ally McCoist said: “Who are these people? I want to know who these people are.”

The Scottish FA was left, not for the first time, wringing its corporate hands, saying: “We are deeply concerned that the safety and security of judicial panel members has been compromised by a wholly irresponsible betrayal of confidential information.”

And: ” all three panel members have reported intrusion into their personal and work lives, including abusive and threatening communication”.

Yet the manager of Rangers itself, a man steeped in the ways of Glasgow football, was instrumental in this chain of events, knowingly, or not.

Hardly an episode of corporate social responsibility.

It has continued. In the past few weeks Scottish Law Lord and former Supreme Court Judge Lord Nimmo-Smith actually had to put out a statement pleading for his independence to be recognised as he embarks on yet another investigation of the fallen club.

Again – the sheer weirdness of this to outsiders, passes almost without comment in Glasgow.

THE FOOTBALL AUTHORITIES

Like anybody prepared to challenge or ask questions or charged with passing judgement on Rangers, both Scottish Football Association and Scottish Premier League directors have had a torrid time of it.

In the case of SFA boss Stewart Regan, there were death threats.

The SFA have said publicly this year that private details of SFA directors have been published online.

The SFA Chief Executive Stewart Regan has said:

” At times, that does make you wonder whether it is going to impact on your family and your personal life.
But it’s never once made me think about walking from the job.”

Incredibly, to those outside the Clyde Cauldron, the SFA boss said he’d had to speak to Counter-Terrorism officers over the nature of the threats and the security response.

Yes – Counter-Terrorism police officers.

This revolting behaviour from a minority continues to spike in activity when those running the game are forced to take action to try and clear up the Ibrox mess.

Nobody, but nobody, should have to put up with this in the course of doing their job. But in Glasgow football it is dangerously close to being accepted as part of the job.

THE PUBLISHER

There has been just one book published on the Rangers. As you’d expect it’s gone through several print runs in the few weeks it has been out. But for daring to print a factual account of the Ibrox meltdown, the publisher, Bob Smith of Frontline Noir speaks of having to deal with a catalogue of abuse.

It had a potentially serious affect on customers and shops buying the book ‘Downfall’ he says:

“There was definitely pressure applied and there were certainly some wobbles along the way from shops and customers. But we got through and in the end people were supportive.”

Material was published online to identify where at least one person lived who worked on the production of ‘Downfall’.

The abuse I received for simply writing the forward to this factual account of the Ibrox debacle was routine for me – for publishers unused to it, the experience was frightening.

THE BOOKSELLERS

Those outside Scotland will find this hard to credit, but several shops including major chains like Waterstones and WHS were unable to display the book openly in some shops because of reported threats and actual abuse of staff.

For selling a work of non-fiction and journalistic enterprise!

In at least one store copies were ripped up. In another Glasgow shop an angry individual wearing a Union Jack repeatedly entered the bookshop to scream at staff to send the offending tome back to the publishers.

THE BROADCASTERS

As I write a colleague at STV in Glasgow has received threats for successfully doing his job. This person wishes to keep a low profile on police advice and is constrained to say nothing at all about it.

NUJ officials say currently around 25 journalists have been threatened recently for attempting to tell the truth about Rangers.

Understandably most feel they cannot discuss it openly. As one told me in a Glasgow hotel this summer: “I’m not paid enough and I don’t feel I have bosses who’d back me up if it came to it.”

Silence…hoping it will all go away…totally understandable when you live in Glasgow. But it isn’t going away, is it?

[LeighLoyal]

Part 2



THE FOOTBALL CLUB

Enter Raith Rovers and their redoubtable chairman Turnbull Hutton. For Turnbull it was who was somewhat thrown into the limelight this summer as a champion of sporting integrity. As the SPL set about making itself a laughing stock in its tangled efforts to defy fairness, reason and morality to try and keep Rangers up in the Premier League, it was club chairmen like Mr Hutton who said no, Rangers must be treated like any other club.

But why, exactly? Yesterday Turnbull Hutton told me: “We had to circle our wagons at Raith given what had been done to us by Rangers fans.”

And he listed the endless abusive phone calls – some from Belfast – to Raith staff, theats, heavy-breathing, silent calls and so forth.

The day Fife police passed on credible information from the Strathclyde force that two men has been paid to burn down Raith’s stadium is a day Mr Turnbull and Raith Rovers will remember.

And all of it because that Raith man Eric Drysdale had dared sit on that SFA Tribunal and pass judgement and sanction upon Rangers’ gross mismanagement.

After all that Raith and Turnbull Hutton would lead the charge to stop Rangers remaining anywhere near the SPL, whatever it took.

The would-be intimidators didn’t tame Turnbull, their cowardice only making the club bide its time and help Rangers down into the fourth tier of Scottish football.

THE NEWSPAPER

It seems an entire newspaper can be got at, when it’s Glasgow and it’s Rangers.

Recent weeks saw one of the more bizarre editorial u-turns of recent newspaper history in the UK when a Scottish Sun double-page splash promoting the author of ‘Downfall’ prior to serialising the book – suddenly became a non-serialisation.

In a somewhat embarrassed editorial The Sun admitted to receiving a large number of complaints about promoting the book, from Rangers fans.

The paper denied it was bowing to threats. Yet the publisher of the book says the threat of a Hillsborough-style boycott was real and instrumental.

It’s widely known the threats were real, nasty and yet again Strathclyde police were involved.

Many – including the book’s publisher – express real sympathy with The Scottish Sun’s dilemma. It editor and staff are known to have been shocked at the level and fury of complaints.

The difficulty here is that, whatever the paper’s reasons, in the end the mob got their way. The serialisation of a fast-selling factual book on Rangers never happened.

They couldn’t get Turnbull Hutton, Lord Nimmo-Smith, Eric Drysdale, STV and many, many more – but many believe they did get the Scottish Sun.

That should give us all pause for thought. Is this the reason why not a single Scottish newspaper has reviewed a book selling way beyond its publisher’s estimates?

What kind of power does the Ibrox mob have still, in today’s Scotland?

So against all this catalogue of attempted (and mostly failed) intimidation, the new Rangers owner Charles Green must surely take a stand and trying to kick this poison out of Ibrox and some of its support for good?

Already in his short ownership Mr Green’s referred to the football authorities as ‘the enemy’ at fans’ meeting on many occasions and he faced formal disciplinary action for saying other clubs were motivated by ‘bigotry’ towards Rangers.

Mr Green must lead from the top because if he fails to do so what chance has anyone got to stop the moronic element at the bottom of the Rangers food chain from lashing out with threats against anyone who dares speak truth unto Ibrox?

[joe breezy]

There's already a European Super League, it's called the UEFA Champions league...

[jgl07]

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Is that the old football agent?

It is Agent Orange himself.

[whiskyhibby]

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Fools and their money though.

Just what I was thinking ...........

[Malthibby]

Reminded me to buy Downfall.

[Seveno]

I was in Manchester earlier this week and was shown photos and told stories of the day Rangers came to town. There is not a single team in England that would vote to have them in a Super League.

[WindyMiller]

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It is Agent Orange himself.

Actually it's not, it's his son.

Obviously brought up the right way!

[Moulin Yarns]

A wee thought. Please don't take this personally Falkirk, but why copy all of the Alex Thomson blog when you have given the link? If anybody wants to read it they can follow the link. I read it this morning and found it interesting, but I don't necessarily want to read it again.

[SurferRosa]

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I was in Manchester earlier this week and was shown photos and told stories of the day Rangers came to town. There is not a single team in England that would vote to have them in a Super League.

A point conveniently ignored by the orcs when they`re discussing on their forums how much England would love to have them and not Celtic in their competition. I`m pretty sure that no league in Europe would want either of these two bigots in their leagues.