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[green glory]

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Continuing the 'it's never our fault them' they are putting the Templeton injury down to the plastic pitch, saying these pitches should not be used at that level. Several identical surfaces are used by Champions League clubs.

"At that level". You've got to laugh at that.

[jonty]

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"At that level". You've got to laugh at that.

Correct. At their level. Wonder why the rest of the outfield players never picked up injuries caused by the pitch.

[grunt]

Chris McLaughlin‏@BBCchrismclaug#SFA issue complaint against Charles Green. Charge - bringing game into disrepute by saying SPL investigation into EBT's already decided.

Chris McLaughlin‏@BBCchrismclaug Second Green charge - not acting in best interest of the game by calling into question the integrity of #SPL commission. #Rangers #SFA

[dangermouse]

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Hopefully soon to be simply DM

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I've done nothing wrong

[danhibees1875]

Someone once posted stats for teams average attendances with Rangers fixtures included and without.

Does anyone know where this is? Or even where I coud get the data from to recreate these statistics.

Thanks.

[Seveno]

So after tonight's embarrassing defeat, how long before Chuck fires Sally ?

[matty_f]

That defeat will cost them hundreds.

[cocopops1875]

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That defeat will cost them hundreds.

HAHAHAHA loved this

[Capt Mainwaring]

Is it really such a shock when a higher league team see off lower league opposition?

[LeighLoyal]

No Orcs in Ramsden! Oh they'll be no Orcs in Ramsden...

[AgentDaleCooper]

i'm confused - i hate rangers so much, but they keep on doing things that make me really, really happy.

[LeighLoyal]

NEVER forget what McCoist and Green did to this club!!!!!!

[frazeHFC]

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[WarringtonHibee]

NEVER forget what the Queen (of the South) did to this club.

[JeMeSouviens]

Attendance last night - 23000. Fair enough, it was the diddiest of diddy cups, but the defiance may just be starting to fade. Spiers in the Herald is openly questioning Fat Sally's position today. Meanwhile, I missed this last week, a nice summary from Roger Mitchell, former heid bummer at the SPL:

Does Green actually buy this stuff? Let's take a look

Roger Mitchell

For someone who claimed the Scottish Premier League was a really bad idea a few weeks ago, I found myself surprised that I felt the strong urge to defend my former organisation in the face of the bombast from Charles Green.

I truly hope by the time that this is read, someone officially representing the SPL will have done likewise. I ask myself, does Green actually buy this stuff? Let's take a look:

Claim 1 Rangers ceased to be subject to the SPL's rules when they were ejected from their league.

Fact Rangers oldco was not ejected from the SPL. The fact that Rangers went into liquidation automatically expelled them from the league. The SPL shareholders then decided not to make an exception and let them back in. Two very different things.

Claim 2 The outcome of the SPL's process will have no legal effect.

Fact What the SPL are deciding upon is whether their tournament and their trophy was assigned to the correct club in the years in question.

The SPL have every right to examine whether participants in their competition behaved within the rules. And if they find they haven't, they can apply their rule book as recourse. More Green nonsense.

I do, however, agree with him that "whatever decision they reach is a decision of the SPL". Indeed. But the SPL should be proud of that, and not hide behind the Law Lords.

The SPL are examining the conduct of the participants in their competition well before Rangers went into liquidation, in particular the conduct of the club then owned by Sir David Murray, with the club secretary role (in charge of those player registrations) held by Campbell Ogilvie (whatever happened to him?). Charles Green and Sevco have nothing to do with this. Whatsoever.

Claim 3 The new owners purchased all the business and assets of Rangers, including titles and trophies.

Fact Green said on June 2012 that if his CVA proposal was to fail (which it did) and Rangers were to be liquidated (which they are), "the history, the tradition, everything that's great about this club is swept aside".

Therefore he admits he has not purchased titles and trophies. Sevco has no titles and trophies.

By the way, Charles, I would not provoke commentators like me to dig this up, because what you said is not what the Rangers fans want to hear now, as you now correctly realise. Let it lie, Charlie, let it lie.

So, even one with a leaning towards Govan would argue that, under the most superficial scrutiny, Green's attack is less than robust. But sometimes you have to chuck a dog a bone. So, to be fair, Charlie is right with his complaint on the SPL's lack of consistency,

Green states: "The SPL took part in discussions regarding the new company's league status, where 'the EBT issue' would be dealt with as part of a package of sanctions which would be implemented in return for membership.

"We do not accept that people who are willing to come to an agreement on such matters then have a right to instigate a full-blown inquisition when matters do not unfold as they thought they would."

Sadly this falls into the general shambles of the management of the affair by the SFA/SPL. I made my own view clear on the leadership of both bodies in the summer. But I cannot see how the credibility of the current process on a simple point of law over false registration of players with Employee Benefit Trusts (being handled by independent top QCs) can be derailed by claims that the prosecutor behaved incoherently months earlier.

Good debating point, Charles, but it's not enough. Instead, all of us who love the game and who hold true sporting values in our hearts have a simple question: Did Rangers oldco gain unfair advantage by registering players on a basis where their full employment conditions were not declared to the SPL/SFA?

In my mind the answer is undoubtedly 'yes'. But let's not forget the lessons of Versailles: bloodlust rebounds.

The SPL enquiry punishment doesn't arouse great passion in me. And it shouldn't either for Celtic fans. For them I'd argue the victory is in the fact that their greatest rival died.

The 125-year long struggle ended with the collapse of the adversary. The war was won. Achilles vanquished Hector.

In closing, from Mark Anthony onwards history tells us that well-crafted oratory can influence the mob.

While Charles Green is no great speaker or statesman, I must admit, he is no dummy. And there is no doubt that his audience is the mob, whose money and favour he needs in order to exit the Rangers investment project with a financial return.

Stoking up hatred has always energised "the base", another example of which we saw in the Republican convention in these days.

Well done, Charles. Initial Public Offering of shares here we come.

For Scottish football, the days of enlightenment around the Tommy Burns funeral are long gone, and I fear the worst.

[JimBHibees]

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Is it really such a shock when a higher league team see off lower league opposition?

Was thinking the exact same last night?

[WindyMiller]

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Attendance last night - 23000. Fair enough, it was the diddiest of diddy cups, but the defiance may just be starting to fade. Spiers in the Herald is openly questioning Fat Sally's position today. Meanwhile, I missed this last week, a nice summary from Roger Mitchell, former heid bummer at the SPL:

"I've spent years at Ibrox on such midweeks covering big European ties against Manchester United, Barcelona, Valencia and Inter Milan.
But not this: a grim Rangers struggle against Queen of the South which ended 2-2 after 90 minutes and a 4-3 win on penalties for the visitors, leaving mutterings again about the ability of Ally McCoist as Rangers manager.
These are times of severe humble pie at Rangers – causing great mirth for some and pain for others – and there is plenty more of it to come over the next three years.
But this game caused some to ask once more: can McCoist prevail as manager?
McCoist is adored at Ibrox, and has been a sheet-anchor in this self-inflicted fiasco at Rangers, but even he cannot remain immune from the critics you hear around this club.
On this night one voice from the main stand shouted down: “Ally, yer coat’s on a shaky nail, son!”
With Rangers stumbling in their new environment, and failing to beat such teams as Peterhead, Berwick Rangers, Annan Athletic and Queen of the South, a fresh focus has been brought to bear on McCoist’s ability.
There are many things in his favour but, right now, statistics cannot be cited among them.
McCoist’s record as Rangers manager in competitive games now reads: Played 55, Won 33, Drawn 10, Lost 12.
The Rangers boss is one of the most popular figures in the history of the club but some fans are not overly enamoured at these statistics, especially as they include 10 recent matches among the lower divisions.
Indeed, since losing to Kilmarnock in the SPL at Ibrox in February, the record of McCoist and Rangers reads: Played 22, Won 13, Drawn 4, Lost 5.
How good is all this? Not good enough for Rangers, and McCoist knows it. Having already witnessed his team being ditched from four cup competitions over 14 months – the Champions League and Europa League qualifiers, the League Cup and the Scottish Cup – McCoist’s players have shown a fragility which has continued, even now in the Ramsdens Cup.
Against Queen of the South that brittleness was evident to all. The visitors looked superior to McCoist’s team for an hour, and, even having gone 2-1 behind, they hounded and harassed Rangers and caused the home fans to become flustered at 2-2.
This was another bad moment for McCoist. For some reason Rangers, even with their batch of SPL players, are toiling in the lower regions of Scottish football. At the very least it must gnaw at the Ibrox manager.
It is absurd just now to think of Charles Green removing McCoist, just as it seems inconceivable that at some stage Rangers will not advance to the top of the Third Division and win it in comfort.
But just imagine if this laboured football continues….what then? McCoist has been central to Green’s rejuvenation at Rangers, in converting the fans’ hearts and minds to the Yorkshireman, but the manager cannot be viewed as immovable.
Green needs Rangers to be a success if he is to make money – his stated aim – from his Ibrox intervention. For that to happen, a successful Rangers manager will be the key. In this context, McCoist somehow needs to hoist himself and his team away from these months of on-field stumbling.
On the plus side, the Rangers support seem to be grinning and bearing all this through gritted teeth. The truth is, being out of Europe for four years and ploughing through the Third Division is the last place any of them want to be, yet the club’s faithful are doggedly sticking at it.
The attendance against Queen of the South was 23,932: not stellar, but it was the Ramsdens Cup. And Champions League football involving Manchester City and Real Madrid was live on television.
Not so long ago these illustrious teams might have been here at Ibrox on the European stage. But a scandal has robbed Rangers of such status and prestige.
McCoist hopes to be the man to lead Rangers back to the summit in three years’ time. Right now, though, that looks anything but certain."

[Bad Martini]

Well well well...

Dumped out the SPL. Nae history. Nae trophies. Nae decent players. Nae future. Nae mair Ramsdens Cup. Fourth in the THIRD division behind the mighty Elgin and Peterheid no less.

Scrounging about for points.

Even less people like them, universally.

And they are more skint than ever before.

Such a huge ****ing shame.

Carlsberg dont make monumental **** ups and falls from grace but if they did.......

And finally...







































NAE ****ING JOY !

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[NatureBoy]

Major LOL!! The mighty Montrose visit Castle Greyskull at the weekend I wonder if Der Hun will manage to scrape a point!

[21.05.2016]

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Well well well...

Dumped out the SPL. Nae history. Nae trophies. Nae decent players. Nae future. Nae mair Ramsdens Cup. Fourth in the THIRD division behind the mighty Elgin and Peterheid no less.

Scrounging about for points.

Even less people like them, universally.

And they are more skint than ever before.

Such a huge ****ing shame.

Carlsberg dont make monumental **** ups and falls from grace but if they did.......

And finally...







































NAE ****ING JOY !

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[Hibercelona]

Allow me to be next to stick the boot in.

[Seveno]

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NEVER forget what McCoist and Green did to this club!!!!!!

[Frazerbob]

Rangers are to reinstated into the Ramsdens Cup following news that QOTS players have dual contracts!!!! One is a brickie, one is a butcher and one is a lollipop man...........boom boom!

[JohnStephens91]

Two things:

1. Please can it be changed to 'The Rangers FC 2012' in the thread title?

2. For some laughs, here is the match thread from the game last night: http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=238411

[forthhibby]

can i just remember all you's in the east that Radio Clyde still have a football phone in at 6 each week day evening

[Hibercelona]

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Rangers are to reinstated into the Ramsdens Cup following news that QOTS players have dual contracts!!!! One is a brickie, one is a butcher and one is a lollipop man...........boom boom!

[Hibercelona]

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Two things:

1. Please can it be changed to 'The Rangers FC 2012' in the thread title?

2. For some laughs, here is the match thread from the game last night: http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=238411

Plenty of laughter threads from the orcs on here as well.

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/in...rs-in-the-sfl/

[JohnStephens91]

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Plenty of laughter threads from the orcs on here as well.

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/in...rs-in-the-sfl/

The best thing about reading the match thread is the amount of their fans who are saying 'FFS the crowd is awful, I might just switch to Real vs Man City' and their location is Glasgow or the surrounding area haha. They don't do walking away because none of them have to walk back to their house because they're already there.

[jgl07]

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Rangers are to reinstated into the Ramsdens Cup following news that QOTS players have dual contracts!!!! One is a brickie, one is a butcher and one is a lollipop man...........boom boom!

Yes but Rangers have at least one part-time painter and decorator on the staff.

Cue the Rolling Stones: "Paint it Black".

[R'Albin]

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