Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[lapsedhibee]

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80,000,000 .................. Lucrative

0 ................................ Not Lucrative

Source?

[Kaiser1962]

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The original deal seems to rely on Rangers being in the Premier League, or as explained below four OF games per season (maybe we should boot Celtic into Div 3 as well to preserve the league Old Firm derbies and the TV deal!

With the knowledge that HMRC had been breathing down their necks for some time, and refusing to budge, it makes you wonder how thick the person must be who agreed to such a clause. Not only thick but dangerous and should not be trusted even to be sent for the pies.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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Source?

Article by an ex SKY producer in the Mail on Sunday who said from his experience of working for SKY for a number of years that the 80,000,000 contract will be binned if the Zombie Huns end up in div 3. His words, not mine by the way.

[DevonLoch]

Was in the Daily Record originally so must be true! mmmmm I wonder......

"No Rangers equals no Sky, unless Gers are back very soon," a source at the broadcaster told the Daily Record. "It's just not going to be commercially worth it if it's going to be any longer than 12 months with no Old Firm league games."

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/s...113142799.html

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...6908-23896063/

[Onion]

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If they think Scottish Football is in a crisis now, wait till they shoehorn the Huns into Div 1.
Armaggedon I tell you. No ..... wait .......... that word's been used already has it not?
The baw will definitely be burst.

The TV money is easy for the SFA/SPL to quantify as its specific and built into contracts. They haven't got a clue what the impact is going to be on gate receipts to the clubs. That would be too much like hard work to try quantify that. Much easier to just stick Newco into Div 1, maintain TV revenue and just hope that the fans forget all about it - they probably regard that as "acceptable collateral damage". However, if fans do walk away from the game in big numbers, they've no more cards to play. What could they possibly do to get the fans back? They couldn't exactly say, erm, sorry lads lets stick the Newco into Div 3.

Nope, if they were doing their jobs, they'd stick to their rules, dump the Newco into Div3 and then WORK on getting the best outcome for the clubs and the game.

[PaulC]

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The original deal seems to rely on Rangers being in the Premier League, or as explained below four OF games per season (maybe we should boot Celtic into Div 3 as well to preserve the league Old Firm derbies and the TV deal!l

Now there is a solution I think everyone would buy into !!!!! Sometimes the simplest ideas are the best.

[...WentToMowAnSPL]

Fantastic idea !!

[Kaiser1962]

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£1 for Goodwill
£1 for SFA Membership
£1 for SPL Share
£1 for Leasehold Interests
£1 for Stock
£5 for Subsidiary Companies Share Capital
£2,749,990 for Player Contracts & Registrations
£1,500,000 for Heritable Properties
£1,250,000 for Plant & Machinery

So is that proof coming from D&P they sold Ibrox & Murray Park for £1.5m??????

Not sure but the CVA document lodged with the court of session listed some of these as;

£109,613,870 Freehold Property Including Ibrox Stadium and Murray Park
£ 2,931,968 Leasehold Property - Albion Road Car Park
£ 620,000 Goodwill
£ 39,495 Trademarks
£ 7,661,456 Player registrations
£ 3,907,345 Fixtures and fittings

Spot the difference. Justify the difference.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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With the knowledge that HMRC had been breathing down their necks for some time, and refusing to budge, it makes you wonder how thick the person must be who agreed to such a clause. Not only thick but dangerous and should not be trusted even to be sent for the pies.

Or an arrogant bully who got off with flaunting the rules for so long, they thought they didn't matter.

[lapsedhibee]

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Article by an ex SKY producer in the Mail on Sunday who said from his experience of working for SKY for a number of years that the 80,000,000 contract will be binned if the Zombie Huns end up in div 3. His words, not mine by the way.

Wasn't aksing for the source of the 80m figure - was aksing for the source of the 0 figure!

[Eyrie]

There will be another TV deal, even if Sevco are in Division Three where they belong. It just won't be as lucrative as the proposed £80m/5 year Sky deal.

On the other hand, changing the distribution of the TV money means that Sellick will take most of the hit. Just reduce the 17%/15%/9.5% for the first three places to 10%/9.5%/9% and the deal can drop by 13% with little effect on the rest of us.

[Jim44]

The proposed change to a 14 team SPL has been a long time coming but is absolutely unacceptable as the BBC say that it will only be implemented if the Huns are in Div 1. According to them, if they are in Div 3 all bets are off. It's clearly being considered now purely for the benefit of the Huns and not in any way for the benefit of any other team.

[HibbyDave]

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[steakbake]

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There will be another TV deal, even if Sevco are in Division Three where they belong. It just won't be as lucrative as the proposed £80m/5 year Sky deal.

On the other hand, changing the distribution of the TV money means that Sellick will take most of the hit. Just reduce the 17%/15%/9.5% for the first three places to 10%/9.5%/9% and the deal can drop by 13% with little effect on the rest of us.

They could do with also not negotiating on the basis of something which is not totally certain. You can be fairly sure of 4 OF games a year but to hinge the entire TV deal on it doesn't take into account relegations, a bottom 6 finish or bankruptcy.

It's was a lunatic deal in the first place and prices us very low.

[Hibs Class]

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The proposed change to a 14 team SPL has been a long time coming but is absolutely unacceptable as the BBC say that it will only be implemented if the Huns are in Div 1. According to them, if they are in Div 3 all bets are off. It's clearly being considered now purely for the benefit of the Huns and not in any way for the benefit of any other team.

Totally agree. The only thing that should be decided this week is where to put new huns (D3 & they should think themselves lucky). Any decision on league reorganisation or merging governing bodies should be properly thought out and debated separately. Anything else will just confirm this as another example of corruption.

[jgl07]

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Article by an ex SKY producer in the Mail on Sunday who said from his experience of working for SKY for a number of years that the 80,000,000 contract will be binned if the Zombie Huns end up in div 3. His words, not mine by the way.

So no TV deal of any sort would be available because Rangers were away for a couple of years extra.

You are suffering from the Stockholm sydrome Mr Doncaster!

[Onion]

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Totally agree. The only thing that should be decided this week is where to put new huns (D3 & they should think themselves lucky). Any decision on league reorganisation or merging governing bodies should be properly thought out and debated separately. Anything else will just confirm this as another example of corruption.

Div 3 should not be the end of it. All the "concessions" the huns were going to make as part of the "promotion" into Div 1 should also apply i.e. they should be forced to pay back every penny owed to other clubs, min 12 month ban from signing payers - extended for taking the SFA to court, punished for double contracts, etc etc. They are on no position to negotiate anything at this point, so we should screw every penny/concession we can out of them while we can. Fail to do that, and we'll all regret it when that arrogant, obnoxious bunch return to the SPL.

[R'Albin]

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80,000,000 .................. Lucrative

0 ................................ Not Lucrative

3pm Saturday kick offs and more fans attracted because of it = lucrative.

[blackpoolhibs]

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So no TV deal of any sort would be available because Rangers were away for a couple of years extra.

You are suffering from the Stockholm sydrome Mr Doncaster!

He has signed up for a tv deal that only works when there are 4 old firm games a season, any change in that and the tv deal collapses. Why did he sign up for this, he's a clown who couldn't run a piss up in a brewery?

Rangers or newco or whatever they are called, MUST make the top 6 every season. What rules will they change up if thats not the case?

I despair at this, when will we ever learn?

[Baldy Foghorn]

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Type in "Explain debt to a hun".

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Sorry if already been posted or if I'm not supposed to mention other sites etc etc

Very funny and clever....

Bear 1 "EBT's are an instrument" Bear 2 "A Flute?"

Bear 1 "You are insolvent" Bear 2 "Nobody sniffs glue"......

Gave me a good chuckle

[Cabbage East]

Dear god.

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish...wsCategoryID=1

[jgl07]

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Dear god.

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish...wsCategoryID=1

And not before time.

[ScottB]

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He has signed up for a tv deal that only works when there are 4 old firm games a season, any change in that and the tv deal collapses. Why did he sign up for this, he's a clown who couldn't run a piss up in a brewery?

Rangers or newco or whatever they are called, MUST make the top 6 every season. What rules will they change up if thats not the case?

I despair at this, when will we ever learn?

This 'clause' has been repeated ad nauseum in the press, and hinted at by Doncaster, but is it fact?

I've not seen anything from Sky RE the current deal with a year left to run. Indeed their only statement thus far has been that they have no plans to stop showing Scottish Football.

There is of course an unsigned deal starting 2013 on the table. This will likely need renegotiating, which is entirely Sky's prerogative to do so.


Personally, I think we will keep the current deal, unchanged for the coming season regardless of what happens. Sky won't want to be tarred with this mess so will stay well clear. They have enough heat on them from Government as it is after all. This will bode well for the future as they will see just what happens to subscription numbers in Scotland; I can't think all the Rangers fans will cancel, many will still watch football on Sky, so the Legaue can then negotiate a new deal during next season to replace the unsigned one currently on the table.

I would also assume a deal for whatever league Rangers find themselves in would happen too.

[calmac12000]

It would be instructive if at the end(?) of this saga someone were to prepare a list of all the falsehoods, obfuscations and downright lies perpetrated by the main players in this game.
From the beginning in February so much crap has been written that I don't believe a word anyone says, without some sort of verification.
It is truly a sad and depressing state of affairs in Scottish football and if the authorities succeed in their ans for NewCo Huns to join SFL Division One, I genuinely fear the Armageddon scenario prophesised by the desperate duo. will come to pass.

[The Harp Awakes]

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Dear god.

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish...wsCategoryID=1

Sounds good and no mention of newco Rangers in the statement.

Excellent, we'll take that please SFA and we'll have newco in Division 3 at the same time

[Dinkydoo]

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Dear god.

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish...wsCategoryID=1

Looking ominous.....

[Jim44]

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Sounds good and no mention of newco Rangers in the statement.

Excellent, we'll take that please SFA and we'll have newco in Division 3 at the same time

You obviously haven't read any of the recent posts on this. I posted earlier that the proposal, which you appear to enthusiastically refer to, was outlined on the BBC and according to them, the proposal only goes ahead if the Huns are in Div. 1. If they are in Div. 3 the proposal is binned. The term 'Rangers' may not appear in the proposal but the proposal is totally about Rangers. Sorry, to take the wind from your sails.

[Eyrie]

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Div 3 should not be the end of it. All the "concessions" the huns were going to make as part of the "promotion" into Div 1 should also apply i.e. they should be forced to pay back every penny owed to other clubs, min 12 month ban from signing payers - extended for taking the SFA to court, punished for double contracts, etc etc. They are on no position to negotiate anything at this point, so we should screw every penny/concession we can out of them while we can. Fail to do that, and we'll all regret it when that arrogant, obnoxious bunch return to the SPL.

Much as I loathe the Huns, I'd have to disagree with you. Sevco are a new club and should be treated as such by placing them in Division Three. I'm aware that will mean their return to the SPL in three years having incurred comparatively little debt as they ensure successive promotions.

On the other hand, if they are given an unfair advantage by starting life in Division One then they have to acept the same punishments that Huns RIP would have received. And everything you propose is in total just a good starting point.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Dear god.

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish...wsCategoryID=1

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And not before time.

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Sounds good and no mention of newco Rangers in the statement.

Excellent, we'll take that please SFA and we'll have newco in Division 3 at the same time

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Looking ominous.....

Go back thirteen months.....





http://www.scotsman.com/sport/a-16-t...ster-1-1668828



Total ****wit Doncaster

[Moulin Yarns]

Actually spoke to a reasonable Hun in the pub tonight who wants the SFL 3 because of the cheating Murray years. Nothing about getting back at other teams. Quite impressed.