Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[StevieC]

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http://www.stenhousemuirfc.com/news/2012/07/05/790/

Stenhousemuir will vote yes to newco

So based on that statement they are voting YES based on the Doncaster/Regan threat to renege on their legal, and morale, obligation to pay the SFL £2m a season.

Rather than take the SPL/SFA to task on this threat, and their legal obligations, they have rolled over to get their tummy tickled!

To be honest it smacks of a boardroom full of hun apologists, rather than a genuine concern for the Scottish game.

I can see the SFL vote developing into an East/West divide to be honest.

I think that these SPL threats to the SFL need to be properly aired in public. How can the SPL get away with saying they WONT pay their dues? Surely if they've got money, which they will have, then they have to pay their bills first, before dividing up the remainder for the SPL clubs? If they fail to pay then surely the SFL can simply take them to court for payment? What are the SPL going to do other than pay it? Go into administration??

[lord bunberry]

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Summary of Stenhousemuir press release:

"We have been bullied into accepting Sevco as a new club into a division two levels above where they should be. We are willing to allow this to be done to us and are not interested in standing up for ourselves or sporting integrity."


No mention of calculating how much they could have gained from hosting Sevco twice in their deliberations either.

its a disgrace that these clubs are being put in this position by the spl this should have been dealt with months ago. I now think that rangers will end up in division 1 and every spl chairman should hang there head in shame

[CropleyWasGod]

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its a disgrace that these clubs are being put in this position by the spl this should have been dealt with months ago. I know think that rangers will end up in division 1 and every spl chairman should hang there head in shame

On what grounds? Thus far, the score is 11-1 against that happening. It only needs 3 more clubs to say No.

[...WentToMowAnSPL]

Can someone tell me why the broadcasters are smart enough to insert clauses or agree to terms that name two specific clubs as permanently part of the top tier and we have numpties in charge of sporting governance who don't see a problem with this picture....


Who the f**** agreed and voted on those deals sold Scottish football down the river

Imagine if the BBC walked away from Wimbledon if the top seeds didn't get through

Jesus wept

[Waxy]

If they are allowed to enter div 1 then i'm boycotting sky tv.
They're causing alot of this rubbish.
who wants to watch a pantomime league anyway.
Scottish football RIP

[lord bunberry]

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On what grounds? Thus far, the score is 11-1 against that happening. It only needs 3 more clubs to say No.

I get the feeling some clubs will change there minds the nearer we get to the vote. Reagan is on ssn right now making threats about financial meltdown the pressure is going to cranked up in the next week the threats will get worse and teams with little to gain but plenty to lose will start to wonder whats the point. Its only my opinion and i hope im wrong but after reading stenhousemuirs statement i cant really blame them for voting yes to newco in division 1

[Hibstrooper]

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If they are allowed to enter div 1 then i'm boycotting sky tv.
They're causing alot of this rubbish.
who wants to watch a pantomime league anyway.
Scottish football RIP

We are at the mercy of the broadcasters. I said a few pages back though it should be the bbc we are after though for a proportionate share of the £75m they spend a year on English football given we pay the same license fee.

I currently pay about £90 a month to sky which I'll cancel if rangers go into 1st

[EuanH78]

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We are at the mercy of the broadcasters. I said a few pages back though it should be the bbc we are after though for a proportionate share of the £75m they spend a year on English football given we pay the same license fee.

I currently pay about £90 a month to sky which I'll cancel if rangers go into 1st

Sky Help Team ‏@SkyHelpTeam @tambritton @StewartRegan We have no plans to pull out of covering the Scottish Premier League.

[JeMeSouviens]

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On what grounds? Thus far, the score is 11-1 against that happening. It only needs 3 more clubs to say No.

A lot of the 11 were before the alleged financial meltdown was laid out and in particular before the SFL clubs were threatened with the non-payment of the SPL settlement. Based on statements since then I would say we have:

Defo No: Raith, Dunfermline, Cowdenbeath, Morton

Lean No: Clyde, Falkirk, Livingston

Defo Yes: Stenhousemuir

Lean Yes: Hamilton, Partick

[Leishy1995]

Another club that has revealed their intentions. Not really sure about the rest.

[frazeHFC]

A board outside of a shop in Dunfermline said that their chairman was for Rangers in the SFL1.

[Leishy1995]

The SFL are looking like they're gonna crumble to them now.

[degenerated]

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Fat blob Traynor to-day

But is it really the will of the people or the ignorant views of semi-literate gangs of keyboard clatterers?


Fat git, I'm not a violent person really but I defo would make an exception with him


http://blogs.dailyrecord.co.uk/jimtr...Jim+Traynor%29

He's just bitter cause at best he's going to end up being a first division correspondent and at worse he'll end up like that boy that used to read out the highland league scores on radio Scotland years back, just less amusing.

[fife hfc]

If you read their statement I don't blame them. The shocking bullying and threats have left clubs like Stenny no choice and they can't take risks like the bigger clubs.

[Waxy]

Hibs
Hearts
Aberdeen
Dundee utd
St Mirren
Motherwell
St Johnstone
Ross Co
ICT

Should all resign from the SPL and ask to join the SFL.

Leave the other 3 (plus a couple of the above perhaps) to play in the funny handshake league by themselves.

To say i am fuming is an understatement.

[Hibercelona]

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If you read their statement I don't blame them. The shocking bullying and threats have left clubs like Stenny no choice and they can't take risks like the bigger clubs.

But what risks?

They've never needed Rangers before, why would they need them in their league now?

[Saorsa]

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If you read their statement I don't blame them. The shocking bullying and threats have left clubs like Stenny no choice and they can't take risks like the bigger clubs.

The SPL are obligated tae pay that money from what money they have. If I were running any of those clubs I'd be seeking legal advice, no giving in tae their threats and blackmail.

[s.a.m]

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He's just bitter cause at best he's going to end up being a first division correspondent and at worse he'll end up like that boy that used to read out the highland league scores on radio Scotland years back, just less amusing.

Bill McAllister!

I doubt very much that Traynor has his mastery of world events and current affairs.

[StevieC]

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The SPL are obligated tae pay that money from what money they have. If I were running any of those clubs I'd be seeking legal advice, no giving in tae their threats and blackmail.

[rcarter1]

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Hibs
Hearts
Aberdeen
Dundee utd
St Mirren
Motherwell
St Johnstone
Ross Co
ICT

Should all resign from the SPL and ask to join the SFL.

Leave the other 3 (plus a couple of the above perhaps) to play in the funny handshake league by themselves.

To say i am fuming is an understatement.

That would be brilliant!

[Hibrandenburg]

Can't see Rangers getting many votes from the SFL. If they were to get voted into Div1 then the teams in Divs 2&3 won't get a pop at them and therefore no pay-day if they don't play them. The teams in the lower leagues will vote them out to ensure they don't miss out on a piece of the pie.

[Stevo1875]

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Hibs
Hearts
Aberdeen
Dundee utd
St Mirren
Motherwell
St Johnstone
Ross Co
ICT

Should all resign from the SPL and ask to join the SFL.

Leave the other 3 (plus a couple of the above perhaps) to play in the funny handshake league by themselves.

To say i am fuming is an understatement.

[bighairyfaeleith]

I'm a little bit confused how a new company with no audited accounts, never mind three years worth, can get SFL membership. Has sevco ever fielded a football team in a competitive football match?

If the SFL give in, and I won't blame them if they do, we need to insist to our clubs that the SPL impose a three year ban on sevco entering the SPL. Otherwise the cheats win and they can stick there league.

[LeighLoyal]

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Can't see Rangers getting many votes from the SFL. If they were to get voted into Div1 then the teams in Divs 2&3 won't get a pop at them and therefore no pay-day if they don't play them. The teams in the lower leagues will vote them out to ensure they don't miss out on a piece of the pie.

I hope and prey they are barred all entry from the SFL or at the very worst enter in SFL3. Any other result is wholly unacceptable. The fact they have stopped Dundee from voting is a disgrace. Sevco, not even a football club, voted in the SPL decision on behalf of a liquidated, dead club. I still don't get the legality of that.

[Future17]

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But what risks?

They've never needed Rangers before, why would they need them in their league now?

They don't. They apparently need the share of 2m which they get from the SPL.

[Kaiser1962]

I would also be concerned that whoever had struck this kind of deal in the full knowledge that Rangers were suspected, now proven by W. Dodds esquire, of fiddling the tax system. This was first brought to their attention in 2006.

Seriously how thick do you have to be to strike a deal under those circumstances?

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Can someone tell me why the broadcasters are smart enough to insert clauses or agree to terms that name two specific clubs as permanently part of the top tier and we have numpties in charge of sporting governance who don't see a problem with this picture....


Who the f**** agreed and voted on those deals sold Scottish football down the river

Imagine if the BBC walked away from Wimbledon if the top seeds didn't get through

Jesus wept

[CropleyWasGod]

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I'm a little bit confused how a new company with no audited accounts, never mind three years worth, can get SFL membership. Has sevco ever fielded a football team in a competitive football match?

If the SFL give in, and I won't blame them if they do, we need to insist to our clubs that the SPL impose a three year ban on sevco entering the SPL. Otherwise the cheats win and they can stick there league.

again....they don't need three years audited accounts to join the SFA . They have applied for a licence from the SFA...which they need to join the SFL

[bighairyfaeleith]

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again....they don't need three years audited accounts to join the SFA . They have applied for a licence from the SFA...which they need to join the SFL

So the only criteria to join the SFL that they don't have is the SFA membership?

[CropleyWasGod]

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I hope and prey they are barred all entry from the SFL or at the very worst enter in SFL3. Any other result is wholly unacceptable. The fact they have stopped Dundee from voting is a disgrace. Sevco, not even a football club, voted in the SPL decision on behalf of a liquidated, dead club. I still don't get the legality of that.

Sevco didn't vote. RFC voted ...they are not in liquidation and held an SPL share

[CropleyWasGod]

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So the only criteria to join the SFL that they don't have is the SFA membership?

AFAIK ....

They applied for an SFA licence last week. but there had been no decision yet.

One of the things they do need for the licence is one years approved accounts ...not audited...which they won't have