Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[degenerated]

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Regan's on Twitter, he should be made personally aware how his comments are coming across!

He just blocks you if dare criticise him, all I did was ask him if he had drafted his resignation last night.

@stewartregan if you want to have a go though.

[green glory]

Looking ahead a bit. The vote on Newhun's entry into SFL1 is scheduled for next week. Doomed to failure probably judging by the comments from 11 if the SFL1 clubs so far.

Then we'll have the attempts to shoehorn them into SFL3.

See the link below for the campaign to get Spartans in to SFL3 instead of the bigots formerly known as Rangers.

No to Newco. Yes to Spartans.

Send the Hun to hell.

[HibeeSince85]

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He just blocks you if dare criticise him, all I did was ask him if he had drafted his resignation last night.

@stewartregan if you want to have a go though.

He's a phanny, I've tweeted him already, everyone else should do too, if he has to block them all so be it

[degenerated]

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He's a phanny, I've tweeted him already, everyone else should do too, if he has to block them all so be it

Couldn't resist

https://twitter.com/de_generated/sta...27355071295489

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I'm not sure I believe this...
It purports to be an interview with Regan in tomorrow's Scotsman.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/i5s0so

The Scotsman seem to have (temporarily?) mislaid Regan article on site - here's full text:

Stephen Halliday

SCOTTISH Football Association chief executive Stewart Regan has issued a startling warning of “social unrest” in Scotland if newco Rangers are denied entry to the First Division of the Scottish Football League following the emphatic rejection today of their application to retain top-flight football at Ibrox.

Regan’s remarkable comment came as he insisted admission to the First Division is now the only viable option if Scottish football wishes to avoid what he described as a “slow, lingering death”.

The Scottish Premier League turned down Charles Green’s bid to have Rangers’ existing share in the organisation transferred to his newco for next season, with ten of the member clubs voting against the application. It is understood Green cast the only vote in favour, while Kilmarnock chairman Michael Johnston is believed to have abstained.

The SPL will now await the outcome of an SFL meeting next week when that organisation’s 30 clubs will vote on a proposal to accept newco Rangers into the First Division in the new season ahead of an amalgamation of the league governing bodies from 2013-14.

There is considerable opposition and resistance to the plan among SFL clubs and their supporters with many believing Rangers should have to apply for entry to the Third Division in the wake of their spectacular financial collapse.

But Regan bluntly asserted that Scottish football simply cannot afford to have Rangers outwith the top two tiers of the league structure, with his argument not confined to the commercial impact their absence would have.

“Without Rangers, there is social unrest and a big problem for Scottish society,” claimed Regan. “They have a huge fan base and to contemplate the situation where those fans don’t have a team to support, where those fans are effectively left without a game to follow, I just think that could lead to all sorts of issues, all sorts of problems for the game.

“Tribalism in football is really important. It is part of the game. People follow their clubs with pride, it is passed down from generation to generation. There are thousands of Rangers fans whose fathers and parents and grandfathers have been Rangers fans. You can’t contemplate a situation without that and if Rangers weren’t to exist that could have real dire consequences.

“There is a lot of emotion around this subject because Rangers are a huge institution in Scottish football history and they are where they are. Their fans have been hurt, they don’t know what’s happening. There hasn’t been a great deal of leadership at the club and there hasn’t been a huge amount of communication from the football authorities.

“The SPL have now decided that Rangers won’t be coming back into the SPL. From our perspective it’s important we set out the landscape because there is only one solution for the game now.

“The only solution for the game now is that Rangers come into the Scottish Football League and they come into it in the First Division. If Rangers were to go anywhere other than the First Division, then there would something in the region of £15.7 million worth of losses to the game.

“For the bigger clubs at the top of the league, that’s half their annual distributions. For clubs at the bottom it is basically wiping out their entire distributions, for some of the smaller clubs it’s a huge proportion of their annual turnover.

“The same will be true for most clubs. Perhaps clubs could survive for a short period of time but it’s not sustainable. Even if Rangers end up in the First Division, there is still going to be a £5 million loss of income to the SPL clubs. The game is not sustainable so there would be a slow lingering death for the game in Scotland. It would then trickle down to the SFL. From our perspective as the governing body and we cannot allow that to happen.

“If we allowed that to happen, it would simply be a dereliction of duty. Therefore, this whole decision-making process has been one of the most challenging and complex decisions that I have ever been involved in in 27 years of business as sport.

“Some clubs in the SFL are afraid of the implications of the decisions. There is the moral argument, the fear of a fans’ backlash and there are financial implications to consider. But when we look at the alternative, it is not possible to think about it without thinking of the game withering on the vine. We cannot contemplate that and the message has to be that Division One for Rangers is the only show in town as far as the future of Scottish football is concerned.”

Regan admits the influence of television contracts, which are largely predicated on the presence of Celtic and Rangers in the Scottish game, are the biggest single factor in his determination to ensure the Ibrox club drop no lower than the First Division. “We have had dialogue with the broadcasters,” he added, “and we understand what the various stakeholders from Sky television, ESPN, Sport Five and a number of the SPL’s other commercial partners are likely to do in the event Rangers are not in either of the top two tiers. It’s not pretty. That’s why we cannot sit back and let that happen without trying to get all parties to accept this is the only solution which can keep the game afloat.

“Without Old Firm games, the value drops, the overseas deals are almost exclusively about the Old Firm derby and that would go immediately. Then you look at the rest of the game and what it is worth. It is fair to say the broadcasters would live with a year without Rangers in the SPL, because it could be a fantastic story for them, which is why I think First Division rights will be an interest as people will want to see how this club is going to bounce back.”

Regan conceded, however, that there can be no guarantee a financially weakened Rangers will climb back to the top flight at the first attempt. “If Rangers don’t get promoted, then the game has got another year to suffer with the financial consequences that brings,” he said. “I can’t predict what will happen, because Rangers at the moment are a weakened team because of everything that has gone on.

“They are a newco at the moment, they have got very few players on their books. They are going to be entering the SFL in whatever division with a weakened team and I don’t think it’s by any means certain they are going to come back in the way they or their fans might like them to recover.

“It’s going to be a slow recovery to get back to the football fitness they have shown in the past. So we can’t look into the future and say ‘what if they don’t operate in a certain way?’. We can only look at building the foundations, to change the game for the better and provide an infrastructure that can bring financial certainty to the other 41 clubs.”

Regan confirmed that sanctions will apply to newco Rangers in the First Division and also made it clear the formation of an SPL2 will be pursued in order to accommodate the Ibrox club if they are rejected by the SFL next week. “The SFA have to transfer Rangers’ membership from oldco to newco,” he said. “That can be done with any conditions attached to it that the SFA board deem fit. We would expect a newco to carry some of the sanctions which would have related to the club had it still been in the previous incarnation. The membership cannot be transferred on financial grounds alone. It has to have a degree of sporting integrity and that means sporting sanctions.”

[Mon Dieu4]

That full interview is unreal

[ballengeich]

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1. they only keep their home gates.... so it IS 2 games.

2. it's not a waste of time, given that the SFA/SPL have put forward inducements to get them to vote yes. Thus far, those haven't worked, but they could have.

I expect a substantial increase in the inducements offered. The £1 million offered previously was less than Sevco's followers will spend on SFL admission money in the next three seasons if starting in division 3 and fell short of a reasonable reward for averting armageddon.

[mayo hibee]

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Looking ahead a bit. The vote on Newhun's entry into SFL1 is scheduled for next week. Doomed to failure probably judging by the comments from 11 if the SFL1 clubs so far.

Then we'll have the attempts to shoehorn them into SFL3.

See the link below for the campaign to get Spartans in to SFL3 instead of the bigots formerly known as Rangers.

No to Newco. Yes to Spartans.

Send the Hun to hell.

I have to say, personally, I have no issue with the New Huns starting in SFL3 provided that it is done by the book and they meet the existing criteria. I would like to think that if Hibs ever came to this fate that New Hibs would be considered to have more to offer to Scottish football than Spartans. Same should go for New Rangers.

[alexedwards]

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There was a comment on the Celtic statement which at the time struck me as odd but I forgot about untill that bletbering idiot Reagan started flapping his gums I'm hoping someone can ease my worries....

The Celtic line :" The matter is now within the jurisdiction of the Scottish Football Association and it will be for the SFA to decide on the future of Rangers newco. "

Now regan : @ScotFootBlog: Stewart Regan: "Division One for Rangers is the only show in town as far as the future of Scottish football is concerned.”
And...
@ScotFootBlog: Regan: "expect a newco to carry some of the sanctions which would have related to the club had it still been in the previous incarnation."

My worry is that somehow the SFA have the say on where newco will play next season no SFL vote on the 12th just a right we say SFL1 and that's final....can this happen?

Not to the best of my knowledge...may not be much but can't see how you can force a member into an organisation against the wishes of the majority of it's members - although anything is possible in Scottish football.
Have to say I am aghast at Regan's behaviour - there are many who thought he was a good appointment but now none of us can trust
anything he says; Doncaster's in a league of his own for pure fantasy; Topping needs tipped as SPL CM; CO has a lot to answer for and can't be trusted. Should be a no-brainer to bin this lot - we need to clear the decks.

[green glory]

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Looking ahead a bit. The vote on Newhun's entry into SFL1 is scheduled for next week. Doomed to failure probably judging by the comments from 11 if the SFL1 clubs so far.

Then we'll have the attempts to shoehorn them into SFL3.

See the link below for the campaign to get Spartans in to SFL3 instead of the bigots formerly known as Rangers.

No to Newco. Yes to Spartans.

Send the Hun to hell.

I forgot the link. That makes me a fanny lol.

https://twitter.com/spartansfc/statu...04853544685568

[HibeeSince85]

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Couldn't resist

https://twitter.com/de_generated/sta...27355071295489

I was more polite in the hope of getting some form of response, however, reading that article above I'd go with your wording

[vanNISHtelroy]

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The Killie board have effectively killed their club though. They won't have the Rangers money and now on top of that their going to lose thousands from the fans of other teams not turning up at Rugby park. You know they wanted Rangers in, I know it, everyone knew it but then, everyone knew it was going to be a NO to the newco so why not just toe the line and vote no .

Its a one man board

Theres was no point at all in us abstaining from a certain vote, MJ appears to have set out to anger folk...theres no proper reason to do it.

We want Johnston out, we want Johnston out!

[Minder]

For any sevco's reading this - cheer up it is not all doom and gloom.

Her Majesty was looking cheerful in the Cathedral today - if she can smile you can as well.

You have a new journey to look forward to next season - could be 1st could be the third. Could even be Tescos or the bingo.

And something else to smile about, its the twelfth next week, get yer best colours ready, fine tune your flutes and get ready to bang yer drums. Might be the last time - so go in style.

And just think, if the wee teams do crunch yer balls next week, we will all be singing and dancing.

[PatHead]

Never thought I would say it....................roll on July 12th. Might go out for a wee walk!

[Westie1875]

That article with all the quotes from Regan is disgusting.

He is basically admitting what we have all thought for years, that the old firm are favoured by the authorities and scottish football is all about them, screw the rest of us. It will never be a level playing field as long as this lot are in charge, him and Doncaster need to go, now.

[delbert]

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Its a one man board

Theres was no point at all in us abstaining from a certain vote, MJ appears to have set out to anger folk...theres no proper reason to do it.

We want Johnston out, we want Johnston out!

Without a doubt every club in Scotland should make sure that no away fans go to Rugby Park for any game next season, Johnston was looking after the interests of his own team for sure, but couldn't (or more likely wouldn't) look at the big picture re the trashed integrity of Scottish Football. If a few clubs go to the wall fine, we all know we have too many anyway, but lets make sure that one of the first to go is Killie and that traitorous little ******* Johnston can go with them - as somebody else said earlier, I can still get my pies at the butchers !!

[NAE NOOKIE]

Eh? ... social unrest ...... ye gods can this man ever run out of ways to talk nonsense. Rangers, new rangers, newco, zombie huns .. whatever you want to call them are / were a bloody football team .... anybody who thinks society will talerate 'social unrest' on the back of the demise of a football club is just plain bloody daft.

[banchoryhibs]

I do wonder what world Regan lives in. Did we hear roars of objections and dismay when the infirm spoke about joining English / European leagues..... no we did not.

I'll also bet that the greatest part of the alleged money "lost" to the game would actually be lost to Newco FC

Division 3 or complete liquidation! Nothing less

[weecounty hibby]

Can someone clarify to me the one where the hins want to be in div3 and they see that as some sort of punishment for the rest of us. **** off ya deluded bunch of fuds. England didnt want or need you, the atlantic league was a joke only real in your little world and now it looks like most of Scotland dont want you either. No one likes you and you sure as **** care now!!!!!

[green glory]

No to SFL3 I say.

Expunge the Hun.

[vanNISHtelroy]

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Without a doubt every club in Scotland should make sure that no away fans go to Rugby Park for any game next season, Johnston was looking after the interests of his own team for sure, but couldn't (or more likely wouldn't) look at the big picture re the trashed integrity of Scottish Football. If a few clubs go to the wall fine, we all know we have too many anyway, but lets make sure that one of the first to go is Killie and that traitorous little ******* Johnston can go with them - as somebody else said earlier, I can still get my pies at the butchers !!

No offence but while I want MJ out as soon as possible, I don't want to see my club go to the wall.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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Without a doubt every club in Scotland should make sure that no away fans go to Rugby Park for any game next season, Johnston was looking after the interests of his own team for sure, but couldn't (or more likely wouldn't) look at the big picture re the trashed integrity of Scottish Football. If a few clubs go to the wall fine, we all know we have too many anyway, but lets make sure that one of the first to go is Killie and that traitorous little ******* Johnston can go with them - as somebody else said earlier, I can still get my pies at the butchers !!

Aye fine ...... and what about the folk who have followed Killie for years and to a man were against anything but a no vote from their chairman and made that clear to him before the vote ......... what about them ?

If a few clubs go to the wall ? So sod them eh? Its no as if they are 'big' clubs like us is it ....... aye so a few thousand have followed them through thick and thin for years ..... what do they matter.

Fk me ..... & we call the huns arrogant.

[Barney McGrew]

Regan doesn't do irony does he?

Social unrest, aye? It would be much better if we allowed in the club whose fans trashed Manchester, physically attacked their opposition's manager and then sent him (and others) parcel bombs. How will we live without these pillars of society........

[brydekirk]

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Ridiculous to start slating the 'tachemeister on the say-so of McCoist, Jardine, Smith (W), Smith (G) or any of the rest of them. Their credibility is, er, low.

Correct

[ronaldo7]

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No offence but while I want MJ out as soon as possible, I don't want to see my club go to the wall.

I hope you get rid of him soon. Killie is a good club with a proud history. We will be coming down the road for the games this season

[RyeSloan]

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That article with all the quotes from Regan is disgusting.

He is basically admitting what we have all thought for years, that the old firm are favoured by the authorities and scottish football is all about them, screw the rest of us. It will never be a level playing field as long as this lot are in charge, him and Doncaster need to go, now.

talk about showing your true colours! He is effectively saying Rangers are too big to fail and must be bailed out at all costs.....and therefore that they have, do and will be able to act with impunity as they can never be lower than the 1st div. Also that all efforts will be made at any point to ensure they are able to compete at the top level for purely revenue generating reasons and that sporting considerations are of a secondary nature.

For the chairman of a countries football association to state such a belief and to make all attempts to create such a scenario is almost beyond belief and must surely lead to demands for his resignation.

[Eyrie]

Good luck to the Killie fans, but their chairman has put their club in an impossible position by not doing the obvious thing and voting no once it was clear that Sevco would not be in the SPL next season. They make as much from Sellick as they did from the Huns, but the key is the boycotting by fans of the other ten SPL clubs. I can see them sinking into the First Division for a few years as a consequence of having to make cutbacks.

[Minder]

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The Herald reported today that Broxi Bear had said 'No to Newco' and signed for Blair Drummond Safari Park!

They have moved quick to get a replacement in:

[Seveno]

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I would think it is best to completely not believe anything coming out of Rangers or the Rangers loving press at this time. The spin and lies have been incredible.

I think that Dan is becoming desperate in trying to pin something on Rod.

[Baldy Foghorn]

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talk about showing your true colours! He is effectively saying Rangers are too big to fail and must be bailed out at all costs.....and therefore that they have, do and will be able to act with impunity as they can never be lower than the 1st div. Also that all efforts will be made at any point to ensure they are able to compete at the top level for purely revenue generating reasons and that sporting considerations are of a secondary nature.

For the chairman of a countries football association to state such a belief and to make all attempts to create such a scenario is almost beyond belief and must surely lead to demands for his resignation.

Exactly, the whole episode has been handled badly, undignified, and totally shambolic.....Regan & Doncaster are totally corrupt, with their preservation of Derhun.....The must be held accountable for their appalling ineptitude and corruptness