Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Hibercelona]

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ARRRGGGHHHHHH

IF they say no, almost every club in d1, d2 and d3 will get at least two games against them.

I know what you're saying mate, I do. (and don't every team play eachother 4 times?) )

But with the way the system is set up, it seems more or less pointless to have this vote to get them into DIV1 in the first place, because the DIV2 and DIV3 clubs are always going to vote "no", because as you say, it means they'll get games against them, meaning boosted income.

So having this vote in place to try and get them into DIV1 is a complete waste of time, because the majority are obviously going to vote "no".

[da-robster]

That tweet which says Petrie wanted Rangers in with sanctions but that was rejected reeks of "we never wanted to be in your league anyway". I wouldn't trust it at all.

[CropleyWasGod]

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I know what you're saying mate, I do. (and don't every team play eachother 4 times?) )

But with the way the system is set up, it seems more or less pointless to have this vote to get them into DIV1 in the first place, because the DIV2 and DIV3 clubs are always going to vote "no", because as you say, it means they'll get games against them, meaning boosted income.

So having this vote in place to try and get them into DIV1 is a complete waste of time, because the majority are obviously going to vote "no".

1. they only keep their home gates.... so it IS 2 games.

2. it's not a waste of time, given that the SFA/SPL have put forward inducements to get them to vote yes. Thus far, those haven't worked, but they could have.

[s.a.m]

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But the clubs in DIV2 and DIV3 wouldn't gain any income from Rangers games, unless any of them played them in cup games.

It just doesn't seem right that the clubs in DIV2 and DIV3 get a say on Rangers being in DIV1 or not.

The SPL got to vote independently about them playing in the SPL, so why not the divisions?

I realize this could still be a good thing, because its likely that Rangers will probably end up in DIV3, with all DIV3 clubs voting "no" against them getting into DIV1, but I really don't believe its fair that they should get a say in the matter.

It would make more sense if DIV1 got to vote independently, then DIV2 (if DIV1 turned them down), then DIV3 (If DIV2 turned them down).

The whole set up just seems strange to me.

The SPL is a separate entity, with one division. The SFL has three divisions, and the 1st Div. is part of a bigger structure. Clubs in the SPL have membership of the SPL, and clubs in Div.s 1, 2 and 3 are members of the SFL. Sevco could, theoretically, be relegated at the end of a joyless season in the 1st! It's not just about the SPL and the 1st.

Edit: I've not really made that any clearer, have I?
I suppose what I'm trying to say is that if a new club wants to gain membership of the SFL, then it is relevant all the clubs in that League.

[Mon Dieu4]

Having read the blue brazils statement my favourite part is them referring to "rangers" in inverted commas haha

[Hibbyradge]

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Thats the impression I am beginning to get here ..... some folk are so bloody determined that Rangers newco should start in the 3rd division ... or even better nowhere ... and go on and on and on about no comin' back, fitbas deid tae me blah blah blah, that I am beginning to think they WANT Rangers newco shoehorned into Division 1 so that they can feel all bloody moral and superior when they do chuck it.

I want Rangers in Division 3 or worse so I can feel that Scottish football is moral after all and so that I can come back.

[Saorsa]

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Nick Eardley‏@nickeardley
Stewart Regan: there will be “social unrest” in Scotland if Rangers aren't allowed in to First Division. On http://scotsman.com soon

Another shyster, he can get the same plane as doncaster and they can baith GTF

[Hibercelona]

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1. they only keep their home gates.... so it IS 2 games.

2. it's not a waste of time, given that the SFA/SPL have put forward inducements to get them to vote yes. Thus far, those haven't worked, but they could have.

1. Sorry, that fact went over my head like a lot of things today.

2. I thought the inducements (bribes) were only aimed at the DIV1 clubs, I never realized that they were covering all 3 divisions.

I suppose its starting to make a bit more sense now.

I'll probably need to sleep on it a little now before it all sinks in.

[DH1875]

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That just cannae be true, he's as straight as a die is Rod

I get the impression you really love Rod .

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Killie fans were always going to be angered by this.

But how angry would they be in the near future when they face relelgation or go into administration had their chairman voted "no" to letting Rangers in?

It was an extremely difficult position for him to be in.

The Killie board have effectively killed their club though. They won't have the Rangers money and now on top of that their going to lose thousands from the fans of other teams not turning up at Rugby park. You know they wanted Rangers in, I know it, everyone knew it but then, everyone knew it was going to be a NO to the newco so why not just toe the line and vote no .

[Monts]

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But the clubs in DIV2 and DIV3 wouldn't gain any income from Rangers games, unless any of them played them in cup games.

It just doesn't seem right that the clubs in DIV2 and DIV3 get a say on Rangers being in DIV1 or not.

The SPL got to vote independently about them playing in the SPL, so why not the divisions?

I realize this could still be a good thing, because its likely that Rangers will probably end up in DIV3, with all DIV3 clubs voting "no" against them getting into DIV1, but I really don't believe its fair that they should get a say in the matter.

It would make more sense if DIV1 got to vote independently, then DIV2 (if DIV1 turned them down), then DIV3 (If DIV2 turned them down).

The whole set up just seems strange to me.

The SPL and the SFL are two seperate entities, who work together with regards to relegation/promotion. This is why SPL had a seperate vote. The SFA is inclusive of Div1, 2 and 3. As the newco are trying to get into Div 1 this affects all 3 leagues, as currently there is a vacancy. If the vacancy is not filled by newco (as is the rules) then there will be an extra promotion from Div2 and 3, therefore changing which teams are in each league.

[SteveHFC]

@timgrigg76: Celtic voted against Rangers to stay in the SPL. Is the Pope catholic? #MickeyMouseFootball

[Hibercelona]

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I get the impression you really love Rod .



The Killie board have effectively killed their club though. They won't have the Rangers money and now on top of that their going to lose thousands from the fans of other teams not turning up at Rugby park. You know they wanted Rangers in, I know it, everyone knew it but then, everyone knew it was going to be a NO to the newco so why not just toe the line and vote no .

Everybody didn't know for sure what was going to happen. Many people where worried that clubs were going to do a U-Turn and go against sporting integrity.

Killie were just as clueless as every other club on each others stance.

None of the clubs knew for sure what the other clubs were going to vote for until the voting was done.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Utterly speechless with the latest nonsense from Regan. Scottish society will rest easy when these two muppets are no longer the figureheads of the game. Disgusting

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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I get the impression you really love Rod .



The Killie board have effectively killed their club though. They won't have the Rangers money and now on top of that their going to lose thousands from the fans of other teams not turning up at Rugby park. You know they wanted Rangers in, I know it, everyone knew it but then, everyone knew it was going to be a NO to the newco so why not just toe the line and vote no .

I suspect the words "amnesty" and "kiss and make up" will be out in force as the season approaches

[degenerated]

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He can bolt on the first ship out with Doncaster as well.

There will be unrest if they DO get into the 1st.

What a bellend regan has shown himself to be. This latest stunt is nothing short of bringing the country, never mind the game, into disrepute.
Time for him to gtf and the sooner the better.

[SJNB Hibby]

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Wrong. If Rangers start in SFL3 then another club would move up from
SFL 3 to SFL 2 and one from SFL2 to SFL1. Those two clubs would miss out if Newco went straight in to SFL1. I think.

Actually, various scenarios--If the Huns get promoted, then at least one team, relegated from SFL2 won't play them at all, 2 if the playoffs are won by a SFL 3 team, which would then play them 4 times, So promotion from Divi3 has a massive incentive next year, ditto for SFL2-1 the next year.
Also-are Rangers not now in the Bells Challenge cup, replacing Dundee??? and tough times starting at entry level in the SFA Cup and SL Cup Huns

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm slowly starting to think we might actually have a product folk will want to drag their backsides off their sofa's and support next season.

[Barney McGrew]

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Andy Cameron @andycameron1940 I will be there wherever Rangers play but I'm still angry at the punishment. It's like being charged with GBH for a slap in the face!

Doddery auld fud. When are these trumpets going to understand these are no longer punishments, because Rangers no longer exist.

They are now consequences.

[s.a.m]

Tom Hall‏@ScotFootBlogRegan on Rangers to Third Division: “If we allowed that to happen, it would simply be a dereliction of duty."

Tom Hall‏@ScotFootBlog
Stewart Regan: "Division One for Rangers is the only show in town as far as the future of Scottish football is concerned.”

Do you think his brain has melted?

[ginger_rice]

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Tom Hall‏@ScotFootBlog
Nick Eardley‏@nickeardley
Stewart Regan: there will be “social unrest” in Scotland if Rangers aren't allowed in to First Division. On http://scotsman.com soon

Well we'll have a chance to find out in Stirling on Saturday when 10,000 of them turn up for their annual jolly jamboree! If it does kick kick off big time Regan should be charged with inciting public disorder.

[StevieC]

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Im now beginning to truly believe they are well and truly done if Findlay is voting against them

From the statement that Findlay made, it sounds like the scare tactics and scaremongering by Doncaster and Reagan have really got his goat (so to speak) and this, as much as anything, has resulted in his stance.

He's basically putting his current team ahead of his previous love. Fair play to him.

[jgl07]

The Herald reported today that Broxi Bear had said 'No to Newco' and signed for Blair Drummond Safari Park!

[JimBHibees]

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That just cannae be true, he's as straight as a die is Rod

I would think it is best to completely not believe anything coming out of Rangers or the Rangers loving press at this time. The spin and lies have been incredible.

[Baldy Foghorn]

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Tom Hall‏@ScotFootBlogRegan on Rangers to Third Division: “If we allowed that to happen, it would simply be a dereliction of duty."

Tom Hall‏@ScotFootBlog
Stewart Regan: "Division One for Rangers is the only show in town as far as the future of Scottish football is concerned.”

Do you think his brain has melted?

Pitiful, shameful comments from Regan......Pandering to Derhun is nauseating, our game really is rotten to its foundations......

[Matty_Jack04]

There was a comment on the Celtic statement which at the time struck me as odd but I forgot about untill that bletbering idiot Reagan started flapping his gums I'm hoping someone can ease my worries....

The Celtic line :" The matter is now within the jurisdiction of the Scottish Football Association and it will be for the SFA to decide on the future of Rangers newco. "

Now regan : @ScotFootBlog: Stewart Regan: "Division One for Rangers is the only show in town as far as the future of Scottish football is concerned.”
And...
@ScotFootBlog: Regan: "expect a newco to carry some of the sanctions which would have related to the club had it still been in the previous incarnation."

My worry is that somehow the SFA have the say on where newco will play next season no SFL vote on the 12th just a right we say SFL1 and that's final....can this happen?

[mayo hibee]

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Another shyster, he can get the same plane as doncaster and they can baith GTF

That Regan comment is unbelievable, it really is a new low for these guys and this whole saga

BUT...

It absolutely reeks of desperation too. For the first time I am actually starting to believe that the good guys are going to win out here - 12-0 so far in the SFL1 voting stakes, chairmen openly calling for Donkey's resignation and the media mood starting to shift against the continual brain dead piss being spouted by the suits in charge. This story could have a happy ending yet, one which could genuinely signal the start of a new brighter era for Scottish football and one where the corrupt moneymen, Regan and Doncaster, are not involved.

[JimBHibees]

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The Herald reported today that Broxi Bear had said 'No to Newco' and signed for Blair Drummond Safari Park!

Superb.

[HibeeSince85]

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Pitiful, shameful comments from Regan......Pandering to Derhun is nauseating, our game really is rotten to its foundations......

Regan's on Twitter, he should be made personally aware how his comments are coming across!

[Saorsa]

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I would think it is best to completely not believe anything coming out of Rangers or the Rangers loving press at this time. The spin and lies have been incredible.

I never said I believed it tae be true, that disnae mean I think it cannae be. I dinnae trust any of them, any one of them would sell their granny if they thought they'd make a quick buck out of it and get away with it.

[alexedwards]

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But the clubs in DIV2 and DIV3 wouldn't gain any income from Rangers games, unless any of them played them in cup games.

It just doesn't seem right that the clubs in DIV2 and DIV3 get a say on Rangers being in DIV1 or not.

The SPL got to vote independently about them playing in the SPL, so why not the divisions?

I realize this could still be a good thing, because its likely that Rangers will probably end up in DIV3, with all DIV3 clubs voting "no" against them getting into DIV1, but I really don't believe its fair that they should get a say in the matter.

It would make more sense if DIV1 got to vote independently, then DIV2 (if DIV1 turned them down), then DIV3 (If DIV2 turned them down).

The whole set up just seems strange to me.

The SPL broke away from the 40-club SFL in 1998. Any vote on SPL business goes to a vote all member SPL clubs - currently 11.
Likewise any vote on SFL business goes to all member clubs - currently 30 minus absentions. You vote as a league member not on a divisional basis.
If there was SPL1 & 2 it would be for all SPL members - 1 member 1 vote.