Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Phil D. Rolls]

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Yes, while there might be some decent Huns who want to do what is morally right, I think the majority now want to go to Division 3 as a means of punishing the rest of Scottish Football for daring to try to punish them. Donkeycaster and his chums actually believe that the SPL will meet its maker if the Huns go to Division 3. So it would be an absolute nightmare for them if Green walked away and some bampot like Brown took over. They could make Scottish football authorities look even more 5hite than then already do Can you imagine the SFL voting for the SPL Division 1 plan only to have the Huns tell them to shove it - they want to go to Division 3.

FWIW I think fears that Scottish football would die without the Huns are as well founded as the Millenium Bug panic - ie pure bollox.

Trying to think of a precedent, but the game would definitely go on. Rangers have been putting me off football for years, as has the complicity of the football authorities and media. I really think if all clubs think they have a possibility of seriously competing then crowds will go up.

[PatHead]

Love the date of the SFL vote. Could be the best ever 12th July!

[s.a.m]

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Love the date of the SFL vote. Could be the best ever 12th July!

Maybe we should have some sort of procession to commemorate it

With musical instruments, and the like?

[snooky]

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Trying to think of a precedent, but the game would definitely go on. Rangers have been putting me off football for years, as has the complicity of the football authorities and media. I really think if all clubs think they have a possibility of seriously competing then crowds will go up.

I agree with FR, I think attendances will go up, maybe not to fully compensate for the absent RFC support but substantially to make a difference.

Re. the propaganda machine.
All the one-sided calcs are related to the money lost to the game if there's no Rangers.
What about ...
a) the money lost to the game if Dungcaster's plan is adopted and (say) 50% of fans walk away.
b) the surge in interest in going to see your own team have a chance of winning something.
c) the amount of people that don't go to football because of the old firm
d) the possibility of actually having neutral refereeing when there's no 'fixed agenda' to adhere to
e) the camaraderie generated between grass roots supporters from Div3 to the SPL who want to see fair play

[lapsedhibee]

I don't think it's been mentioned in the 500 odd pages so far, but the extent of hunlove at administrator prick level in the SFA, SPL and SFL has been so mindboggling that I am seriously contemplating the possibility that Jack Regan was right all along. And that every disputed throw in, corner kick, handball and offside decision that he used to list during every Greatest Game In The World for the last twenty years was, indeed, corruptly awarded. I and many other .netters scoffed at him at the time, but it wouldn't now surprise me he if he was absolutely correct, and that what we saw as Celtc paranoia was in fact the pure honest truth.

[calmac12000]

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Thread over on Samaritans.com says Brown has come charging in with the cavalry with this - http://www.football365.com/spl/78626...ite-flag-Brown. The natives are creaming themselves over it and to a man want Brown to lead them into Division3. We're kind of singing from the same hymn book aren't we.

I sincerely hope not, Brown(a gentleman not reknowned for his deep thinking or analysis) is simply the cheerleader forMordor, he wishes to put "Rangers men" A.K.A. Protestants of a somewhat fundamental and intolerant variety, in charge of the club. Then tops this off by blatantly playing the sectarian card by heaping the blame on Peter Lawell and Celtic, for renaging on some sort of "understanding". Much as I have little time for Peter Lawall or Celtic to engage in this charectaristic form of obfusgation is unfortunately all too common from those who claim to be standing up for the Huns and their supporters.

[PaulC]

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I agree with FR, I think attendances will go up, maybe not to fully compensate for the absent RFC support but substantially to make a difference.

Re. the propaganda machine.
All the one-sided calcs are related to the money lost to the game if there's no Rangers.
What about ...
a) the money lost to the game if Dungcaster's plan is adopted and (say) 50% of fans walk away.
b) the surge in interest in going to see your own team have a chance of winning something.
c) the amount of people that don't go to football because of the old firm
d) the possibility of actually having neutral refereeing when there's no 'fixed agenda' to adhere to
e) the camaraderie generated between grass roots supporters from Div3 to the SPL who want to see fair play

Great post - totally agree with this and I hope the SPL and SFL chairmen start thinking bigger than preserving some form of status quo. (or this has come into their thinking already - time to be brave and vote for a new era)

[Brando7]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18699838

Hold it together n do the right this is all we ask

[down-the-slope]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18699838

Hold it together n do the right this is all we ask

was just reading that..if any truth...they had better not fold or game is busted.....

[calmac12000]

I've listed many reasons for taking strong action against Rangers but at an emotional level what really grates me about all the Hun love appearing in the media, is the total lack of comment about the sectarianism of their fans.
A significant amount of whom think it is perfectly acceptable to congregate every fortnight to spew sectarian filth and when they travel abroad embarrass Scotland on the European stage(and that's before we get to their football!).
Should it not be a condition of any new application, that there support do not engage in systematic and quite blatant sectarianism.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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I don't think it's been mentioned in the 500 odd pages so far, but the extent of hunlove at administrator prick level in the SFA, SPL and SFL has been so mindboggling that I am seriously contemplating the possibility that Jack Regan was right all along. And that every disputed throw in, corner kick, handball and offside decision that he used to list during every Greatest Game In The World for the last twenty years was, indeed, corruptly awarded. I and many other .netters scoffed at him at the time, but it wouldn't now surprise me he if he was absolutely correct, and that what we saw as Celtc paranoia was in fact the pure honest truth.

I don't think anyone can doubt now that the game has been about the struggle between these two clubs for years. Paranoia is an ugly thing to see, but let's face it - if they can rig the game to ensure that no-one else has a look in, then it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that Sellick have been the victims of, er, victimisation.

They don't help themselves with nonsense like what followed the SF against the Yams, and it is easy to say "get lost you mad muthas". However - just because you are paranoid.........etc

I think that Celtic should drop this nonsense about the rest of us being against them. After all, have we not done what they can't - dealt with their tormentors. Surely they can see now that it isn't them versus a protestant conspiracy, and adapt the principle of fair play and decency adopted by their founding fathers?

I also wonder if there is a real possibility now that people will finally acknowledge the flatness of our planet, and stop this nonsense about Santa. It's time for change.

[matty_f]

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I've listed many reasons for taking strong action against Rangers but at an emotional level what really grates me about all the Hun love appearing in the media, is the total lack of comment about the sectarianism of their fans.
A significant amount of whom think it is perfectly acceptable to congregate every fortnight to spew sectarian filth and when they travel abroad embarrass Scotland on the European stage(and that's before we get to their football!).
Should it not be a condition of any new application, that there support do not engage in systematic and quite blatant sectarianism.

The sectarianism can't and shouldn't come into it as it clouds the issue.
Stick to the facts and punish/deal with accordingly. Rangers should be treated fairly, not better or worse than anyone else should/would be.
That's why it has to be a no vote tomorrow and an application to join division 3.

[Hibbyradge]

I actually agree with Traynor, that Rangers have been punished enough, and the titles and trophies that they won by cheating should not be stripped from them.

This should also apply to people like Dora Ratjen, a German high jumper who competed in the womens event in the 1936 Olympics when she was, in fact, a man. A man called Herman. Surely getting caught is enough punishement. I bet she, I mean he got a right slagging from her mates after that.

Ben Johnson too, should have his Olympic 100 metres medal restored because the humiliation he's suffered since he was caught scoffing illegal steroids is surely punishment enough.

The Spanish Paralympian Basketball team, who, in the 2000 Olympics weren't actually disabled in any way at all, should also have their crown restored. It's just the years of jealousy and hatred that have gone against them.

Mind you, Scotland has a history of forgiving cheats, sometimes even bestowing absolute adulation upon them.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Diegio Maradona and his hand of god.

Hmmm...but that's different, isn't it.

Isn't it?

[GreenCastle]

:BBC Scotland understands that some involved in the conference call - between the 11 SPL clubs, excluding Rangers - are pressing for their own vote to be postponed to allow the lower league clubs to make a decision on Rangers' fate." Taken from that BBC article.

Surely they won't postpone the vote tomorrow - the vote tomorrow is simple and should take place.

I still think Celtic staying quiet is a disgrace - I know if I was one of their fans I would be urging my board to make our vote plans public - they are obviously scared of the consequences either way

[Emerald]

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I actually agree with Traynor, that Rangers have been punished enough, and the titles and trophies that they won by cheating should not be stripped from them.

This should also apply to people like Dora Ratjen, a German high jumper who competed in the womens event in the 1936 Olympics when she was, in fact, a man. A man called Herman. Surely getting caught is enough punishement. I bet she, I mean he got a right slagging from her mates after that.

Ben Johnson too, should have his Olympic 100 metres medal restored because the humiliation he's suffered since he was caught scoffing illegal steroids is surely punishment enough.

The Spanish Paralympian Basketball team, who, in the 2000 Olympics weren't actually disabled in any way at all, should also have their crown restored. It's just the years of jealousy and hatred that have gone against them.

Mind you, Scotland has a history of forgiving cheats, sometimes even bestowing absolute adulation upon them.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Diegio Maradona and his hand of god.

Hmmm...but that's different, isn't it.

Isn't it?

The difference is Dora only won the title by a baw hair

[matty_f]

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The difference is Dora only won the title by a baw hair

[Hibbyradge]

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The difference is Dora only won the title by a baw hair

Good one!

(S)he didn't actually win at all, but s(he) it was good for my analogy.

[ScottB]

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:BBC Scotland understands that some involved in the conference call - between the 11 SPL clubs, excluding Rangers - are pressing for their own vote to be postponed to allow the lower league clubs to make a decision on Rangers' fate." Taken from that BBC article.

Surely they won't postpone the vote tomorrow - the vote tomorrow is simple and should take place.

I still think Celtic staying quiet is a disgrace - I know if I was one of their fans I would be urging my board to make our vote plans public - they are obviously scared of the consequences either way

That would be utter madness.

8 clubs have publicly said they will vote No, so what possible reason is there to delay? Therefore delaying would be seen as trying to go back on their word, which could cause utter bedlam.

Apart from anything else, we are barely 4 weeks from season start. This decision has been out off long enough, clubs across the country, not just those facing possible promotion need to set budgets and sort out squads. The lot of them need their heads smashed together if they try and delay again.

Frankly, delaying would be treated by many, me included, as something of a delayed yes; 'we want you in but we need to find a good excuse first' situation.

[Hibrandenburg]

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I actually agree with Traynor, that Rangers have been punished enough, and the titles and trophies that they won by cheating should not be stripped from them.

This should also apply to people like Dora Ratjen, a German high jumper who competed in the womens event in the 1936 Olympics when she was, in fact, a man. A man called Herman. Surely getting caught is enough punishement. I bet she, I mean he got a right slagging from her mates after that.

Ben Johnson too, should have his Olympic 100 metres medal restored because the humiliation he's suffered since he was caught scoffing illegal steroids is surely punishment enough.

The Spanish Paralympian Basketball team, who, in the 2000 Olympics weren't actually disabled in any way at all, should also have their crown restored. It's just the years of jealousy and hatred that have gone against them.

Mind you, Scotland has a history of forgiving cheats, sometimes even bestowing absolute adulation upon them.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Diegio Maradona and his hand of god.

Hmmm...but that's different, isn't it.

Isn't it?

Yes, very different. With the exception of Maradona's hand of god, all the other incidents were premeditated attempts at deception that were planned and executed with the intention of cheating. Maradona made a reflex decision without having the benefit of time to think through the consequences of his actions.

Massive difference.

[Hibrandenburg]

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the difference is dora only won the title by a baw hair

pmsl

[GreenCastle]

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That would be utter madness.

8 clubs have publicly said they will vote No, so what possible reason is there to delay? Therefore delaying would be seen as trying to go back on their word, which could cause utter bedlam.

Apart from anything else, we are barely 4 weeks from season start. This decision has been out off long enough, clubs across the country, not just those facing possible promotion need to set budgets and sort out squads. The lot of them need their heads smashed together if they try and delay again.

Frankly, delaying would be treated by many, me included, as something of a delayed yes; 'we want you in but we need to find a good excuse first' situation.

Exactly The new season is fast approaching.

Think about when all this Rangers mess unfolded and think where we are now.

Then think about all the stories and damage to the game since then.

The vote surely has to take place tomorrow - the SFL vote should then take place the next day but they are going for next week ?

[Emerald]

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pmsl

[Hibbyradge]

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Yes, very different. With the exception of Maradona's hand of god, all the other incidents were premeditated attempts at deception that were planned and executed with the intention of cheating. Maradona made a reflex decision without having the benefit of time to think through the consequences of his actions.

Massive difference.

So it's ok to adulate spontaneous cheats, just not ones who take time to plan?

Don't get me wrong, I think Maradona was a magnificent player, but isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in actively celebrating his handball against England and moaning about cheating in football?

I recall many on here were raging when Thierry Henry handled against Ireland. not much difference there.

In truth, my Maradona remarks was only made as food for thought as I don't think it stands the comparison, but still, it's interesting how we're ok with cheating if it suits us, whilst we're all supposed to be big on Sporting Integrity.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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:BBC Scotland understands that some involved in the conference call - between the 11 SPL clubs, excluding Rangers - are pressing for their own vote to be postponed to allow the lower league clubs to make a decision on Rangers' fate." Taken from that BBC article.

Surely they won't postpone the vote tomorrow - the vote tomorrow is simple and should take place.

I still think Celtic staying quiet is a disgrace - I know if I was one of their fans I would be urging my board to make our vote plans public - they are obviously scared of the consequences either way

Surely if the SPL vote doesn't go ahead there is nowt for the SFL clubs to vote on.

[GreenCastle]

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Surely if the SPL vote doesn't go ahead there is nowt for the SFL clubs to vote on.

That was my first thought. We are less than 24 hours from finding out - and hopefully who voted yes or no will be made public - OR it will be leaked somehow.

[Hibrandenburg]

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So it's ok to adulate spontaneous cheats, just not ones who take time to plan?

Don't get me wrong, I think Maradona was a magnificent player, but isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in actively celebrating his handball against England and moaning about cheating in football?

I recall many on here were raging when Thierry Henry handled against Ireland. not much difference there.

In truth, my Maradona remarks was only made as food for thought as I don't think it stands the comparison, but still, it's interesting how we're ok with cheating if it suits us, whilst we're all supposed to be big on Sporting Integrity.

Not saying that Dave. Just pointing out the flaw in your thesis. We've all made spur of the moment decisions that we regret afterwards and spur of the moment decisions that were positive. It's human nature and part of our fight or flight instinct that is imperative to survival. However to spend time schemeing how to rip someone off is another kettle of fish and deserves to be treated more seriously.

Just my opinion of course but I'd wager most legal systems would corroborate it when dishing out punishment.

[Hibbyradge]

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Not saying that Dave. Just pointing out the flaw in your thesis. We've all made spur of the moment decisions that we regret afterwards and spur of the moment decisions that were positive. It's human nature and part of our fight or flight instinct that is imperative to survival. However to spend time schemeing how to rip someone off is another kettle of fish and deserves to be treated more seriously.

Just my opinion of course but I'd wager most legal systems would corroborate it when dishing out punishment.

I agree, of course.

My point was questioning the hypocrisy of the adulation of cheating in certain circumstances, rather than comparing the various acts.

"Mind you, Scotland has a history of forgiving cheats, sometimes even bestowing absolute adulation upon them."

Anyway, hey ho. Division 3 for the huns, please!

[greenginger]

I can see no sense whatsoever in postponing the SPL vote. What would be the alternative if the SFL votes them into Div 3, keep them in the SPl ?

That is a non-starter which even Reagan stated today, no doubt having been suitably warned by EUFA. Get the vote taken then allow the SFL time to come to their own decision.

[Hibercelona]

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I can see no sense whatsoever in postponing the SPL vote. What would be the alternative if the SFL votes them into Div 3, keep them in the SPl ?

Thats what concerns me. Why else would they be waiting?

If this occurs which I have a horrible feeling in my gut about, i'll never attend another Scottish football match anywhere ever again.

[Hibrandenburg]

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I agree, of course.

My point was questioning the hypocrisy of the adulation of cheating in certain circumstances, rather than comparing the various acts.

"Mind you, Scotland has a history of forgiving cheats, sometimes even bestowing absolute adulation upon them."

Anyway, hey ho. Division 3 for the huns, please!

See your point and I think it could be grouped together with the old chestnut "one mans freedom fighter is another man's terrorist". Still doesn't make it right though.