Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Dr Jimmy]

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http://m.scotsman.com/sport/rangers-...ence-1-2382349

Great article and absolutely bang on the money with his views.

[Lucius Apuleius]

My opinion is that I shall wait until all the above is confirmed before casting judgement. I was going through to buy a season ticket today but shall now wait till next week. Is Petrie something in the SPL or SF A? I can never remember and another reason there should ony be one body. If he is SFA then he has possibly been mandated to say what he did. Loss of face from his integrity position obviously. Anyway, we shall see what transpires. If Scotsman report is true then they are goosed. That in my opinion is what will happen. Until something concrete comes out about that statement I am not believing it.

[DaveF]

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http://m.scotsman.com/sport/rangers-...ence-1-2382349

Some excellent, nail on head quotes from Morton chairman Douglas Rae in that article:

Rae added: “There has been a lot of pious talk about sporting integrity. Where’s the integrity of a club going into administration, liquidation, getting rid of its debts and just dropping down one tier of football? I don’t see any integrity in that. It’s easy to talk about integrity but I regret to say there’s not much of it around in Scottish football right now.

“Rangers have admitted they should be punished because they have cheated consistently over the last number of years. They have tried to steal a march on other clubs. As a result, they have to receive the same punishment any other club would have got.

“If this was Inverness Caledonian Thistle or Kilmarnock in the same position as Rangers, for example, there wouldn’t be the same guff as we’ve gone through over the last few months. I saw Charles Green suggest the SFA should be sitting down with them and discussing their punishment. That’s like saying someone accused of a driving offence or burglary should sit down with the judge and decide what sentence they get.”

[calamitus]

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I would have agreed with you 2 days ago but now Rod Petrie is trying to broker deals to keep Charles Green and Sevco happy

If Hibs are involved in a successful attempt to get Rangers into Division 1 I'll never go to a Hibs game again

Not unless a new club is started by the fans

I totally understand why people are threatening not to come back if DH get in to division 1, but if crowds drop next season, all that's going to look like to the outside world is - they got relegated from the SPL, and SPL crowds dropped. The hun-friendly elements of the media will sieze on this as evidence of a lack of interest in a hun-free SPL.

[shagpile]

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This is beginning to annoy me this kind of statement. Right this is not what we want as Football fans but Hibs done the right thing by stating they are going to vote no what more do you want from your club? This whole people not going back to Easter Road if Newco in 1st division is just a joke this is the time when your club needs you most I think it's just an easy way out for fans to say this.

Two things wrong with your last sentence.
1, It is NOT an easy way out for people. Many will have had season tickets for most of their lives & to see them say they will not be back is evidence enough that there is very strong feelings on this whole affair & its probable [fixed] outcome.
2, You didn't think before you posted that last sentence.

[joe breezy]

That is the best thing I've read from anyone in Scottish football so far.

[IWasThere2016]

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Two things wrong with your last sentence.
1, It is NOT an easy way out for people. Many will have had season tickets for most of their lives & to see them say they will not be back is evidence enough that there is very strong feelings on this whole affair & its probable [fixed] outcome.
2, You didn't think before you posted that last sentence.

and some will have to explain this to their kids!

[NAE NOOKIE]

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This is beginning to annoy me this kind of statement. Right this is not what we want as Football fans but Hibs done the right thing by stating they are going to vote no what more do you want from your club? This whole people not going back to Easter Road if Newco in 1st division is just a joke this is the time when your club needs you most I think it's just an easy way out for fans to say this.

Im not sure thats its " just an easy way out " I'm prepared to think that folk are angry enough to chuck it over this. but I think they are wrong.

But apart from that I totally agree with you.

This whole situation has gotten totally out of control. It seems to me that seeing them get a doing has become more important than the game itsself .... more important than Hibs.

Folk are saying we wont have sporting integrity ...... but as far as I can see that is now exactly what we will have in the future, irrespective of what happens to the newco.

It started as no new rangers in the SPL and when we got that it then became, they must start in the 3rd division, for some its nothing less than no rangers at all.

When all this started my hope was we would end up with a fair league, with a fair share of the money and a fair voting system.

As far as I can see we will have that and for certain no club will dare to ever cheat on the massive scale they did ever again. But, instead of being pleased about that and accepting that this could be a bright new future for Scottish football folk have become obsessed with rangers starting in div3.

I want to see that too ...... But I am not prepared to spit the dummy and chuck away what could be a fantastic opportunity for the game in this country if I dont get it.

[Barney McGrew]

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Is Petrie something in the SPL or SFA?

He's chairman of the SFA Professional Game Board.

Hibs statement last night is embarrassing. After rightly setting the record straight and for once managing to gauge the feelings of our support perfectly, they're trying to shift the blame of NewHunCo to the SFL and performing a spectacular u-turn that the Tories would be proud of.

They're playing with the future of our club and Scottish football. They should be coming out and making comments similar to Aberdeen have, otherwise it's pretty clear that RP is at worst behind this move, and at best supporting it.

If it's true, then to the current custodians of HFC - shame on you, you're going to kill our club.

[Future17]

It would have been nice to see the club deny the newspaper reports that RP is facilitating Club 12's parachute into Div 1.

I know you can't deny every newspaper report that comes out or you end up making a rod (pardon the pun) for your own back, but the Club did set a precedent of sorts last season.

[Gatecrasher]

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He's chairman of the SFA Professional Game Board.

Hibs statement last night is embarrassing. After rightly setting the record straight and for once managing to gauge the feelings of our support perfectly, they're trying to shift the blame of NewHunCo to the SFL and performing a spectacular u-turn that the Tories would be proud of.

They're playing with the future of our club and Scottish football. They should be coming out and making comments similar to Aberdeen have, otherwise it's pretty clear that RP is at worst behind this move, and at best supporting it.

If it's true, then to the current custodians of HFC - shame on you, you're going to kill our club.

If true RP's position at ER is untenable, I'm praying the sfl clubs are rejecting this. They could be the saviour to our game.

[marinello59]

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He's chairman of the SFA Professional Game Board.

Hibs statement last night is embarrassing. After rightly setting the record straight and for once managing to gauge the feelings of our support perfectly, they're trying to shift the blame of NewHunCo to the SFL and performing a spectacular u-turn that the Tories would be proud of.

They're playing with the future of our club and Scottish football. They should be coming out and making comments similar to Aberdeen have, otherwise it's pretty clear that RP is at worst behind this move, and at best supporting it.

If it's true, then to the current custodians of HFC - shame on you, you're going to kill our club.

Given that there can be little doubt that the SPL clubs are putting pressure on their SFL counterparts to accomodate Newco it is also dishonest.

[Andy74]

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Im not sure thats its " just an easy way out " I'm prepared to think that folk are angry enough to chuck it over this. but I think they are wrong.

But apart from that I totally agree with you.

This whole situation has gotten totally out of control. It seems to me that seeing them get a doing has become more important than the game itsself .... more important than Hibs.

Folk are saying we wont have sporting integrity ...... but as far as I can see that is now exactly what we will have in the future, irrespective of what happens to the newco.

It started as no new rangers in the SPL and when we got that it then became, they must start in the 3rd division, for some its nothing less than no rangers at all.

When all this started my hope was we would end up with a fair league, with a fair share of the money and a fair voting system.

As far as I can see we will have that and for certain no club will dare to ever cheat on the massive scale they did ever again. But, instead of being pleased about that and accepting that this could be a bright new future for Scottish football folk have become obsessed with rangers starting in div3.

I want to see that too ...... But I am not prepared to spit the dummy and chuck away what could be a fantastic opportunity for the game in this country if I dont get it.

Agree with all that too.

[marinello59]

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If true RP's position at ER is untenable, I'm praying the sfl clubs are rejecting this. They could be the saviour to our game.

Forcing the SFL clubs to clear up a mess created solely in the SPL is gutless to say the least. I agree with you, if threats have been made to the SFL to form a breakaway second tier if the SPL don't get their own way then Petrie's position at Hibs is untenable, being economical with the truth is totally unacceptable. Hopefully this is cleared up today.

[Phil MaGlass]

Why, after the clubs have been backed by their own supporters over a NO vote would they throw all that unity away by letting newco in the backdoor.
Dont they understand we are not stupid were not Rangers fans.
I can see fans giving up the game in their thousands if this happens, SPL clubs really should not be contemplating this, if it is true, then I would like to call for the resignation of Petrie. He can GTF.
Scottish fitba the lights are already going out, were missing a massive opportunity to change Scottish fitba for the best but they want to bend over backwards to accomodate a cheating, fraudulant glesga club, who now no longer exist, it defies belief it really does.

Scottish fitba is now on the edge, if newco are allowed into a revamped SPL2 then that will definitely be the one thing that pushes Scottish fitba over ,the real Final Nail In The Coffin.
The END IS NEAR and I for one dont wish to be part of a corrupt system which helps cheats, conmen and bigots.

[blackpoolhibs]

The reason it started as no rangers in the SPL, was because they were going into administration. Once that changed and they were liquidated its changed to applying again at the bottom tier, why is it so hard for some folk to understand?

All we want is them treated like we would be treated, is that wrong?

I love how we are looking for an easy way out, thats a cracker.

[Barney McGrew]

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Forcing the SFL clubs to clear up a mess created solely in the SPL is gutless to say the least. I agree with you, if threats have been made to the SFL to form a breakaway league if the SPL don't get their own way then Petrie's position at Hibs is untenable, being economical with the truth is totally unacceptable. Hopefully this is cleared up today.

I'm not going to hold my breath, but unless they come out with a follow up statement that is unequivocal in it's belief that Sevco have to follow the same rules as everyone else i.e. apply for membership rather than being parachuted in to SFL1 then i think it could be the final nail in the coffin for the current board. Anything else will - IMO - show that they support the move.

Over to you Petrie and Lindsay.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Forcing the SFL clubs to clear up a mess created solely in the SPL is gutless to say the least. I agree with you, if threats have been made to the SFL to form a breakaway second tier if the SPL don't get their own way then Petrie's position at Hibs is untenable, being economical with the truth is totally unacceptable. Hopefully this is cleared up today.

We need to hear from our leader, we need to hear just what is going on, and if he's in favour of this stitch up?

[lord bunberry]

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He's chairman of the SFA Professional Game Board.

Hibs statement last night is embarrassing. After rightly setting the record straight and for once managing to gauge the feelings of our support perfectly, they're trying to shift the blame of NewHunCo to the SFL and performing a spectacular u-turn that the Tories would be proud of.

They're playing with the future of our club and Scottish football. They should be coming out and making comments similar to Aberdeen have, otherwise it's pretty clear that RP is at worst behind this move, and at best supporting it.

If it's true, then to the current custodians of HFC - shame on you, you're going to kill our club.

What I don't understand from that statement is if its nothing to do with us what happens after they are refused entry to the spl why are the spl offering a £1m bribe to first division teams to broadcast rangers games and offering play offs next season and then making threats if they don't vote for it. Were being lied to by the people we thought we could trust sporting integrity my **** tbh I've had enough of the whole sorry mess

[bythecringe]

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That is the best thing I've read from anyone in Scottish football so far.

Until I read this article I was convinced Scottish football was totally corrupt and as good as dead. Clearly not all club officials are as two faced as our Rod. Sporting integrity my @??? Rod is supposed to be a business man. I don't know of any business that disregards the feelings of its customers (ok other than some major banks) as Hibs are doing. The SPL has been shown to be based on a flawed business model where nobody else can survive unless Rangers and Celtic are top dogs. Frankly the SPL does not deserve to survive. I prefer a future where integrity triumphs over money and more power to clubs like Morton.

[Moulin Yarns]

I've taken my time, making sure i understand the BBC report on the 'plan' to get Rangers into the SFL1.

My take on it is that it's been 'released' by a club and wasn't official, until STV reported the document as sent to the clubs.

And the BBC 'understands' Green and Petrie met to talk about it. That, IMHO is pure speculation, as it was reported that Green was trying to meet all SPL chairmen for whatever reason. I think this is the BBC trying to read more into one meeting than others.

The whole 'clubs must decide in the next few days' guff is just sacremongering. This situation has been brewing for months, and while clubs are coming out with their views now, I think most have made up their minds on the situation having weighed up all the pros and cons.

The meeting on Tuesday of the SFL clubs will be intersting as I think there will be some soul searching based on the 'plan'. Those that feel they will miss out on promotion of 'gers are in their division against those that see the short term benefit of financial gain.

The one thing that hasn't been proposed in all of this is a round table discussion of all the SPL, SFL, SFA and every member club, to agree on the outcome of old rangers and new rangers. We know that, as thing stand, according to the rules of the game in Scotland that neither version can play in the SPL, and need to apply for the SFL. What we don't know is if they have applied, yet.

Interesting times and it will be fun to see how it pans out, with the Newco having to prove they are 'fit and proper' which I think might prove difficult.

Have agood weekend folks

[calmac12000]

This latest "leaked" proposal just about does it for me. If these are accepted Scottish football is nothing more than a sham. A sham I can promise will not benefit one bit from me.

[HFC07]

Rangers FC is not Scottish football, this NEWCO is a completely new team and as such they must have to register as a new company.

this issue couldn't be more simplistic if it tried, Glasgow Rangers FC are no longer....

Any new club wishing entry into the Scottish Football League must apply for permission....

Where is the confusion?

If money is the issue every club must asses their own financial model and adjust them selves accordingly, Scottish football need to show that it is not dependant on Rangers for financial gain,

[Tricla]

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The reason it started as no rangers in the SPL, was because they were going into administration. Once that changed and they were liquidated its changed to applying again at the bottom tier, why is it so hard for some folk to understand?

All we want is them treated like we would be treated, is that wrong?

I love how we are looking for an easy way out, thats a cracker.

Indeed.

It's this simple.

There's either integrity or none.

It appears to be the latter sadly.

[Jack]

I wrote this email to Scott Lindsay at half nine last night.

Hi Scott

I am aware that Rod Petrie has met with representatives from rangers old or new, I suspect this is with his SFA hat on.

You will also be only to well aware of the media reports linking Rod with a scheme to drop whoever they are today into the First Division through some sort of deal.

I would be grateful if you could clarify Hibernian FCs position in this, either to me personally, which I would make known more widely unless you ask otherwise, or preferably through a statement from the Club.

There are an awful lot of very angry Hibs supporters out here.

Best wishes

Jack

Sent from my Tab :-)

I received this reply at 1:20 am. I do hope the poor chap got to his bed eventually

Jack – we have been swamped as you can imagine. The following statement has been released:

“At an informal meeting of SPL clubs held at Hampden Park on Thursday 29 June, the views of Hibernian FC were represented by Chairman Rod Petrie. The Chairman articulated very clearly that the Club is ready and willing to cast its vote on the transfer of the Rangers share in the SPL at the formal meeting of clubs on 4 July. The Chairman made the point that the vote should proceed without any further delay and that Hibernian FC will vote against the share transfer. The resolution will fail if four other clubs vote against it or abstain. If as a result of the vote on 4 July the Rangers newco is not voted into the SPL then it will be for other bodies to decide if and at what level Rangers might be accommodated within Scottish football.”

Jack, I’m sure that you will be aware that Mr Petrie also holds the very senior office of 2nd Vice President of the Scottish FA. Within the Scottish FA he Chairs the Professional Game Board which has been looking at the options for a possible future restructure of the Scottish game for several months. As recently as Sat 23 June, a joint statement was issued on the issue of League Restructure by the Scottish FA, SPL and SFL.

The statement is on the website now. The other information is commonly available.

Regards

Scott

[PeterboroHibee]

That statement doesnt really tell us anything regarding what came out yesterday, and surely just repeats what we have already heard from the club?

[down-the-slope]

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We need to hear from our leader, we need to hear just what is going on, and if he's in favour of this stitch up?

remember 'the BBC understood' that Whyte was mega rich with below the radar wealth....that OldCo had a deal with HMRC for p in the £.....that 1...no 2...no 3...no 4 different bunches of mega rich blue noses would rescue the day....that a slap on the wrist would be given and NewCo happily in SPL....

You get the idea...Avoid the hysterics..keep the pressure on in the same way it was for NewCo SPL application and lets see what actually transpires....

[Saorsa]

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I wrote this email to Scott Lindsay at half nine last night.



I received this reply at 1:20 am. I do hope the poor chap got to his bed eventually

Same rubbish that is on the officail site. Lets hear them deny that deals are being done. If newhun getting in tae the 1st division would be all the fault of the SFL lets hear the SPL saying they will refuse promotion for that team for 3 season anyway.

If it's all rubbish it would be very easy tae clear it up, why allow the situation tae f*ester causing suspicion and mistrust.

[steakbake]

So has there been a misunderstanding of the role of Petrie here?

For what it's worth, what riles the most is the disingenuous statement issued to SFL chairmen which is nothing short of a staggering propaganda piece.

Bottom line is that the place to accommodate Sevco is an application to rejoin the league structures at the existing entry level. Anything else is shifting the goal posts, loading the dice. Have the blazers forgotten that the old club formerly known as Rangers have ripped off fellow clubs, ripped off the tax authorities to a grand scale and have rigged the game for the best part of 20 years by putting out a fantasy football team paid for illegitimately. This isn't about financial recovery. It's about the state of sport in the country.

We are being sorely let down.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Was the fall of Scottish Football the 'real' Mayans prediction for 2012?