Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[The Green Goblin]

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Radio 5 live reports that the SFL have denied any agreement has been reached about Rangers coming into Division One.

That's not what people are alleging. The leaked document would appear to be something to half persuade / half force them to "accept" an agreement. It may not have been presented to them yet?

[The Green Goblin]

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I'm coming round to the idea of keeping Rangers half alive as a first division plaything, with the promise of more punishments, not being able to sign players and probably further demotion.

To me it beats just allowing them back as a totally new club at the bottom, being able to sign who they want and escaping any further punishment on ongoing investigations.

Well, the sun is always shining in your world and no mistake :-) But I have to disagree with your post above. The punishment should fit the crime and no single club should be above the rules, especially one that has committed the crimes that this one has.

[brydekirk]

Aye, just like the team we have been watching for the last 5 yrs, soft . Don't give in so easy to these fuds.

[JohnStephens91]

This is my e-mail that is being sent to every SFL club, finished the 3rd division now!

I have grown up with the effects of having Rangers cheat their way to success, many times I sat and watched on the terraces of the old East Stand at Easter Road and seen Rangers run riot over Hibs or narrowly defeat our hard working players. As it has transpired recently every success recently has been done by running up huge amounts of debt and effectively cheating their way to glory.

Elsewhere clubs up and down the country and right through the league set-up in Scotland have had to cut their costs accordingly, all the while we have been faced with the mammoth task of competing against Rangers and Celtic with one of them cheating. Whether it has been a cup tie or a league game, Rangers robbed us, and now they are dead and gone.

However we face a fight for justice and integrity against the Sevco 5088 FC from skipping Divisions which your club have fought their way through on a strict budget. This team have no audited accounts, do not have a full squad and effectively have no youth system. They are only a football team by name, and they do not deserve to have the chance to skip through divisions that every other team of the 30 in the SFL presently fight hard to survive in and compete in for promotion.

We have watched the rightful punishments dished out to Gretna, Livingston and Aidrieonians and also seen Dundee punished for going into administration. Sevco 5088 FC should not be treated any differently. As I have mentioned previously, they are not a football club and do not even meet any requirements. Justice must be served to them and it must be served with the equality of past punishments.

Fans of the SPL clubs all stand united and steadfast in their belief in integrity and it appears that our own chairmen may have sold us short, personally I have the belief that the SFL clubs will not betray their own fans in the same way. They have watched the respective teams fight in the SFL for the major goal of promotion and to have Sevco skip divisions will have a profound effect. I believe that together we can all make the game greater for everyone in Scotland if we all stand united.

The fans of Hibernian definitely have your backing if you decide to vote against the proposals to allow Sevco to saunter into the First Division and I’m sure this will resonate throughout the fan base of other SPL clubs. We must all fight for what is fair, and what is fair is rightful punishments and the rightful means of process for the application of a new member club into the bottom tier of Scottish football.

Yours faithfully,
John Stephens

[brydekirk]

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You read it here first folks-how can you be surprised?

EASY, don't let the bams in

[frazeHFC]

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Now they are (allegedly) threatening to blackmail the SFL teams:

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/r...rangers-plans/

If true, it is a disgrace - all to save the cheating Huns. And the SPL chairmen are a bunch of snakes if they have even contemplated this in the circumstances.

If anything, this whole Newco scenario has brought the non-Old Firm fans together.

I have been raging at the huns as usual today, but i didn't even know about this! Absolute farce, we are not a footballing country, it's just a fix. If this goes ahead then it'll be golf on a Saturday for me. I have said i don't think i could walk away, but i would not be willing to go watch us 'compete' in a league with those clowns in charge.

[ScottB]

I see we've issued a late night statement.

That we are ready to vote Rangers out now, but that what happens to them after that is up to 'other bodies,' which doesn't fill me with confidence. Does sound like we are being prepped for Rangers in Division 1 next season.

[Saorsa]

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I see we've issued a late night statement.

That we are ready to vote Rangers out now, but that what happens to them after that is up to 'other bodies,' which doesn't fill me with confidence. Does sound like we are being prepped for Rangers in Division 1 next season.

a passing the buck statement IMO if ever there was one

If they end up in the 1st division it will be with the complicity of the SPL and 1st division clubs, nae mistake.

It wisnae us, it was them

[Captain Trips]

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a passing the buck statement IMO if ever there was one

If they end up in the 1st division it will be with the complicity of the SPL and 1st division clubs, nae mistake.

It wisnae us, it was them

Indeed, well if we are all about integrity then surely if SFL clubs let them in we should say a club who has not earned right to play in Division 1 cannot be promoted to the SPL.

[frazeHFC]

What happens with all the debt? Surely it's not written off just cos they form as a new company?

[TrickyNicky]

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What happens with all the debt? Surely it's not written off just cos they form as a new company?

Shut up Fraze, stop moaning, go to work and pay tax to pay off Rangers's debt to society.

Know your place!

They are the peepul !

[easteroad]

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TBH, whether they do it or not is irrelevant.
The fact that they are considering it or worse still, threatening it, is enough for me.
It's not Rangers I want shot of - it's these bunch of spineless morons.
Endsville.

They can stick them back in the s.peepul.el INTEGRITY will spend my money elsewhere

[bighairyfaeleith]

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Indeed, well if we are all about integrity then surely if SFL clubs let them in we should say a club who has not earned right to play in Division 1 cannot be promoted to the SPL.

This is what should happen but ofcourse it wont because the SPL are behind this move

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[cockneymike]

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/20...262950_2826110

This statement from the club is dated 29th June. My interpretation is "If we boot them out the SPL, what happens after that is nothing to do with us, so don't blame us if the SFL let them into Div1."

Which if it were a correct reading, would be nonsense. As the SPL are doing everything they can to make it easier for NewHun to get back to SPL in 1 year.

I fear this stitch up is well and truly on.

[Steve20]

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anyone of you realy care who'l be playing for hibs next season now? i certainly dont

Yes because I'm a Hibs fan and Hibs doing well means more to me than another club suffering.

[joe breezy]

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Latest developments and the slowness to kick the huns out of fitba.

Time for change.

Hibs fans to start a new Hibs playing out of Meadowbank.

Fans off other disgruntled clubs could start their own team. A national competition free from greed and the SFA.

Wimbledon and Man u fans shown it can be done.

It may sound a pipe dream but back in 1875 it wasn't easy to get our club formed. The same cheating that exsisted back then still exsists now.

Time for change.

Each share in the new club would be £10. Room for all pissed off Hibs Fans.

The fans are Hibs. Not Farmer and Petrie.

Time to be brave. It won't be easy but Scottish Fitba is about to die.

I would be happy to do this - if there really will be a pyramid system then we could get back in bigger leagues in a few years as well

[Onion]

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a passing the buck statement IMO if ever there was one

If they end up in the 1st division it will be with the complicity of the SPL and 1st division clubs, nae mistake.

It wisnae us, it was them

Just read it and I'm a little annoyed. So Hibs would have us to believe that, as a member club of the SPL, they have no say whatsoever in the way that Sevco are dealt with and "it will be for other bodies to decide " at what level Rangers might be accommodated within Scottish football. Yet, the SPL are threatening the SFL that they will set up a second tier SPL2 if Sevco do not start in Div 1 next season, and that Sevco will start in SPL2 ???? I can only presume that this last part is totally untrue, otherwise Hibs would be lying to Hibs fans.

Oh dear :roll eyes:

Just picked this off the BBC site....

"It is understood Rangers chief executive Green has been "briefed" by Hibernian chairman Rod Petrie on the plans to gain their approval. All changes have to be approved by SPL and SFL clubs over the next few days. The plans require the support of eight SPL clubs and a majority of SFL clubs to be passed."

But according to Hibs its up to some "other bodies" !!

[mcvie7]

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If the Newco get into Div 1, I also couldnt give a toss who we sign - Scottish football will be dead to me.

Bending, twisting and rushing through new rules / set ups for the immediate benefit of 1 club - absolute farce.

Where were the rule changes etc for Gretna, or Livi.....

This is beginning to annoy me this kind of statement. Right this is not what we want as Football fans but Hibs done the right thing by stating they are going to vote no what more do you want from your club? This whole people not going back to Easter Road if Newco in 1st division is just a joke this is the time when your club needs you most I think it's just an easy way out for fans to say this.

[PaulC]

I am getting so bored and fed up with this situation that I am fast approaching the stage that Scottish Football can 'do one' regardless. Why are we subjected to constant attempts to pervert the course of true justice and let events take their course based on the rules and regulations that currently exist. We all know Scottish Football is poor so lets give it a try without the old Firm stranglehold and if it dies so be it........help out NewHunCo and it will die anyway......lets just get to the end game now and let people decide if they want to follow Scottish Football or not.......truely bored with it all now

[cad]

I keep wondering whats going to happen next ,heres a few things Ive seen this morning from around the papers and noticeboards




From KDS




So they could shaft as many as 14 of their clubs over to accommodate a group of investors with no history in football, their club with no history,
no credit history, no players, and who have never had a team, of fulfilled a fixture, ever.
Sporting integrity in Scottish football is no less wiped out whether Sevco start in the SPL, Div1, or even Div3 this coming season.
They need to earn entry into the Scottish Football system like any new club would. The authorities are still trying to burn their own house down, and its only fans trying to stop them.





Game 'loses £16m' if Rangers drop to third division


Richard Wilson



In a document circulated to all 30 SFL teams, the prospect of an SPL2 is described as "not currently supported by the SFA", while Rangers being terminated or suspended will lead to "complete financial meltdown".
The details, revealed on the STV website, in effect urge SFL clubs to vote for Rangers being accommodated in the first division next season, probably by way of being relegated by the SPL. With Rangers remaining in the top flight having already been discounted because of the number of clubs prepared to vote against that scenario, SFL clubs will have to decide between merging the two leagues, gaining play-offs between the top two divisions and improved long-term finances, against putting Rangers into the third division, which would put the annual settlement fee at risk and also not lead to league reconstruction. However, the Falkirk manager, Steven Pressley, said he would be "disgusted" if the SFL did not push for more radical change in return for the Ibrox club being accommodated in the first division. The agreement would include an additional £1m in television money for first division clubs and greater wealth redistribution in the Scottish game, but Pressley believes it is an opportunity to push for a whole new set-up.
"Once again, we would have shirked a terrific opportunity to completely revolutionise our game and take it forward through reconstruction," Pressley said. "I believe these proposals have been drafted solely to get Rangers into the second tier, not to find a solution which is best for the overall game in Scotland.
"This is not even about Rangers. This is about how the clubs deal with being forced to change and whether they grasp the chance to do something special. The SFL will never have a better opportunity to force change than they do now and if they give up the chance for change for a play-off place and a small amount of extra money then they have sold the supporters down the river.




The Scotsman

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...reen-1-2383203



I wonder how this will all end , is it all a big game of poker a game of bluff and double bluff, could Norton and Kaspersky get rid of the virus within
Scottish Football,are you starting to get bored out of your tits with this entire scenario,will Hibs supporters do walking away ,see you after the graft today for another exciting episode of " Rangers In Administration " a supporters thoughts .

[Callum_62]

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This is beginning to annoy me this kind of statement. Right this is not what we want as Football fans but Hibs done the right thing by stating they are going to vote no what more do you want from your club? This whole people not going back to Easter Road if Newco in 1st division is just a joke this is the time when your club needs you most I think it's just an easy way out for fans to say this.

Cant say I agree.

If the rules are changed for the sole purpose to ease ONE clubs pain, the game is effectively a bogey.

It becomes bigger than 'supporting Hibs' IMHO.

If I continue to fund Hibs, what am I funding exactly? There participation in a corrupt, one sided league....why would I want to do that?

Hibs did do the right thing by saying "no," however, do you think they have been taken by surprise by the supposed document holding a hypothetical gun to the SFL clubs head on accepting Sevco to Div 1?

I highly doubt they have been.

[Part/Time Supporter]

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/20...262950_2826110

At an informal meeting of SPL clubs held at Hampden Park yesterday, the views of Hibernian FC were represented by Chairman Rod Petrie. The Chairman articulated very clearly that the Club is ready and willing to cast its vote on the transfer of the Rangers share in the SPL at the formal meeting of clubs on 4 July.

The Chairman made the point that the vote should proceed without any further delay and that Hibernian FC will vote against the share transfer. The resolution will fail if four other clubs vote against it or abstain. If as a result of the vote on 4 July the Rangers newco is not voted into the SPL then it will be for other bodies to decide if and at what level Rangers might be accommodated within Scottish football.

Totally disingenuous statement. It's what it doesn't say that matters.

What is Hibs' attitude towards changing the financial distributions (which requires an 11-1 majority in the SPL clubs) to provide £1million to SFL1 with "Rangers"?

What is Hibs' attitude towards the creation of "SPL2" if the SFL does not agree to the "Rangers in SFL1" proposal?

[McSwanky]

Just read that document on the STV website... I more that 'fans are lost to the game forever' only appears in option 5. That point should be in options 1, 3 and 4 as well. These people will be as complicit as the Hun cheats in destroying our game.

[Mon Dieu4]

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http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/20...262950_2826110

This statement from the club is dated 29th June. My interpretation is "If we boot them out the SPL, what happens after that is nothing to do with us, so don't blame us if the SFL let them into Div1."

Which if it were a correct reading, would be nonsense. As the SPL are doing everything they can to make it easier for NewHun to get back to SPL in 1 year.

I fear this stitch up is well and truly on.

Reeks of a big boy did it and ran away, account for the most one sided document I've ever seen being sent to the SFL teams which obviously got the ok to be released.

[joe breezy]

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Just read that document on the STV website... I more that 'fans are lost to the game forever' only appears in option 5. That point should be in options 1, 3 and 4 as well. These people will be as complicit as the Hun cheats in destroying our game.

No Rangers, lose 25% of fans

Accommodate Sevco5088, lose 75% of fans

[IWasThere2016]

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This is beginning to annoy me this kind of statement. Right this is not what we want as Football fans but Hibs done the right thing by stating they are going to vote no what more do you want from your club? This whole people not going back to Easter Road if Newco in 1st division is just a joke this is the time when your club needs you most I think it's just an easy way out for fans to say this.

Our Chairman has spoken of sporting integrity whilst (it appears) he has orchestrated change to our game which lacks integrity. NewCo have been given lenient and preferential treatment thus - rightly IMHO - leaving many fans (Hibs and others) to question the credibility of any form of integrity in our game. I have principles - it appears many others have also - I am not about to develop another set of principles when its convenient to do so. NewCo in Div 1 is insufficient punishment, and unacceptable to me.

[joe breezy]

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This is beginning to annoy me this kind of statement. Right this is not what we want as Football fans but Hibs done the right thing by stating they are going to vote no what more do you want from your club? This whole people not going back to Easter Road if Newco in 1st division is just a joke this is the time when your club needs you most I think it's just an easy way out for fans to say this.

I would have agreed with you 2 days ago but now Rod Petrie is trying to broker deals to keep Charles Green and Sevco happy

If Hibs are involved in a successful attempt to get Rangers into Division 1 I'll never go to a Hibs game again

Not unless a new club is started by the fans

[CallumLaidlaw]

http://m.scotsman.com/sport/rangers-...ence-1-2382349

[Bobo]

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I think it's just an easy way out for fans to say this.

Well it will have taken me 40 odd years to have found "the easy way out" then!

This whole farce has gone past the point where the principles (or lack of them) of individual clubs doesn't matter anymore. Scottish Football is corrupt and sporting fair play doesn't exist in the eyes of it's governing bodies, our game is dead in the water and fans are right to walk away if they choose to do so.

[Mon Dieu4]

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http://m.scotsman.com/sport/rangers-...ence-1-2382349

I now really like the Morton Chairman, he is spot on