Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Spike Mandela]

[Cropley10]

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Do you think he can READ?

Or even chew gum and stand up at the same time?

These people - ALL of them - are in a frantic state of denial and self-contradiction because the gravy train they've travelled on for so much of their lives is now in grave danger (see what I did there?) of being derailed.

My guess is that there are lots and lots of squeaky bums all round Scottish football these days. If HMRC nail the Huns (and the word is that this is their dearest wish and firmest intention) do the Jambos really think the the guagers will then just walk away without nailing Romanov and HIS henchment at Tynie?

Or that all the other clubs that make up the SPL will, seriatim et privatim as my old Latin teacher used to say, come under the tax-man's microscope?

Or that Procurators Fiscal up and down the land are even now forming "football task-forces" to investigate the criminal allegations that may very well follow? Oiling the thumbscrews, charging up the car-batteries and polishing the electrodes and the crocodile clips, poring over their copies of "Ninety Years of Rubber Truncheons: Interrogation Procedures of the State Security Organs 1917-2007" for new and novel ways of getting the ****bags to talk.

Seriously, there'll be more than the Huns in pokey before this lot's over.

Think you're in danger of playing the man and not the ball. As BAD as Vlad is, he has always paid his taxes. Yes he might have been threatened with closure/winding up, but he's not 'walked away'. If he's guilty of anything it's wasting huge amounts of his own/his Banks/his Groups money. Not sure though quite what HMRC can do about this - HMFC are £30-40m in debt, but they've not cheated the taxpayer yet.

I'd agree that IF they are also guilty of dual payments/EBTs then that's a different story.

They're also guilty of distorting Scottish Football by operating at ridiculous debt levels - but that's his perogative I guess. The sooner Scottish Football adheres to UEFA Financial Fair Play the better.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Think you're in danger of playing the man and not the ball. As BAD as Vlad is, he has always paid his taxes. Yes he might have been threatened with closure/winding up, but he's not 'walked away'. If he's guilty of anything it's wasting huge amounts of his own/his Banks/his Groups money. Not sure though quite what HMRC can do about this - HMFC are £30-40m in debt, but they've not cheated the taxpayer yet.

I'd agree that IF they are also guilty of dual payments/EBTs then that's a different story.

They're also guilty of distorting Scottish Football by operating at ridiculous debt levels - but that's his perogative I guess. The sooner Scottish Football adheres to UEFA Financial Fair Play the better.

HMRC have issued an assessment on them, which is currently under appeal. In HMRC's eyes, they have cheated.

[JohnStephens91]

Good riddance to the cheats. Enjoy the 3rd Division.

[Caversham Green]

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Think you're in danger of playing the man and not the ball. As BAD as Vlad is, he has always paid his taxes. Yes he might have been threatened with closure/winding up, but he's not 'walked away'. If he's guilty of anything it's wasting huge amounts of his own/his Banks/his Groups money. Not sure though quite what HMRC can do about this - HMFC are £30-40m in debt, but they've not cheated the taxpayer yet.

I'd agree that IF they are also guilty of dual payments/EBTs then that's a different story.

They're also guilty of distorting Scottish Football by operating at ridiculous debt levels - but that's his perogative I guess. The sooner Scottish Football adheres to UEFA Financial Fair Play the better.

Indications are that they have though. Their accounts have carried a note that they were under investigation since 2007 and the last ones contained an admission that there was a liability but the Yams were disputing the amount (or quantum to use the proper term) due.

[neilmartinrocks]

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or maybe....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMc263klrMQ

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SSN reporting Aberdeen to vote no

Was difficult for Jim White to get his words out.

I can see some of those guys in the media topping themselves over this.

[Spike Mandela]

Alex Thomson's latest blog on the reasonable Rangers fan's views........

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thoms...ans-newco/2029

[Hibernia&Alba]

So, is it going to be Div 1 or Div 3?

A Newco should have to start from the bottom, but I think they'll try to cut a deal to be parachuted into Div 1

[Hibtastic]

The BBC has the headline that "NEWco Gers wont get SPL votes" accompanied by a big phot of RP. Do you think he has encouraged the other chairman to vote No given the supposed influence he has in Scottish Football. I'd like to think so.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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The BBC has the headline that "NEWco Gers wont get SPL votes" accompanied by a big phot of RP. Do you think he has encouraged the other chairman to vote No given the supposed influence he has in Scottish Football. I'd like to think so.

i'm sure the other chairmen have enough savvy to make their own minds up

[Baldy]

Aberdeen are saying no as are Motherwell .. looks like the charm offensive from Charlie Green was just plain Offensive

[GreenCastle]

Taken from http://www.thefootyblog.net/

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It is now inevitable that the Newco Rangers will not be voted into the SPL. A win for the SPL fans and for sporting integrity? Well a win yes but surely they can’t all stop there.First thing they should do is forget Rangers, or newco Rangers or The Rangers. They have made their decision and it will now be up to the SFL were they decide to place Rangers. The SPL can’t be seen to try and persuade the SFL in any way. They can’t demand that its division three or say ‘look SKY want them in division one’. As I say they need to forget them and start getting their own house in order.Then the SPL need to look at changing their voting system. They were forced into going for the 11-1 system by the big bullies, the Old Firm, who at the time held all the cards. Now the rest of the SPL, if they can come together can take some of that power back.Celtic have said they don’t need Rangers to survive. This is true but they might have to concede a lot of power and money to the rest of the SPL now they are exposed without their rivals.So say we have a new, fairer voting system of 8-4, then they should go to SKY and ESPN, as a united group and ask what deal is there on the table?Once a deal is signed, they then have to vote on how that deal shall be distributed. The previous deals saw the biggest chunks of money handed to the Old Firm, now with a fairer voting system and one that stands up for sporting integrity rather than business, the wealth has to be passed around in more equal way.

For me, if I was involved at a higher level of any SPL club I would look at the job Neil Doncaster is doing and ask should he be there?He has changed his story a few times now, he has been guilty of scaremongering and seems to lack the necessary backing from his members. The speed of decision making has been scandalous and the buck should stop with him. Lets face it he doesn’t want to be here and if he had a chance he’d be working for an EPL side he would be there and would even jump at the chance of working in the Championship ahead of the SPL.Without the need for four Old Firm games a season and with the fans wanting change.The SPL has to look at working closely with the SFL and try and examine ways of expanding the league. For me I would have a top league of 16 teams, playing each other twice. No split, two teams go down and the third bottom side has a two game play-off with the third best side from division one. Also include a new winter break.Obviously they need to do there own research and come up with a league structure that will benefit Scottish football and excite fans.The new highly energised SPL should look very closely a safe standing areas, it works in places like the Netherlands and supporters want to see them introduced. Now these sides want to see an increase in attendances or at least not see numbers drop. So here is an idea, listen and consult with your fans, prove that this Newco decision isn’t a one off.Have a look at bringing back alcohol into the grounds. Maybe just in one stand, just until kick-off time and one drink per customer. Again research it and see what works for the police, the clubs and the fans.Now I have heard ‘sporting integrity’ and ‘fan power’ a lot during this newco debacle. You know what? The time is now for the SPL to prove that these things are important.Bring fans to the board. I know St Mirren and Motherwell are both well on the way in getting their clubs fan owned. In fairness to Dundee Utd they have a member on their board that comes from the fans trust. For me every side should have a member on the board elected by a fans group or trust. You want to get them more involved then prove it.This may be a tough time for Scottish football but if we want to bring the game back to being a sport first and a business second idea then make things equal, fair and transparent. Make the fans feel part of it, don’t see them as just customers.The times when the SPL clubs looked after themselves with poor short term thinking is over. For them to survive and to improve they need to start working better together and with the fans.

[Spike Mandela]

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I'd say Milne's statement also goes further than other clubs so far - and very helpfully so:

"If readmission were to be refused, we believe the appropriate course of action would be for Rangers NewCo to apply for membership to the SFA and to submit an application for admission to the SFL."

and

"Reorganisation of the game is a priority and is something we have been actively involved in for a long time, but it is not something that should be rushed through just to deal specifically with one club. As we have indicated there are a number of other areas that we feel need to be addressed openly in the coming period if Scottish football fans are to feel that their views have been properly taken into account."

So that's a firm no to a SevCo parachute into SPL2/similar.

Encouraging words from Mr Milne regarding restructuring. I may yet have to consider doffing my cap to Mr Twa Cairpets on how this is going to pan out

[Brando7]

tell all the huns ye know, that its 5-1 to no to newco!

[jgl07]

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tell all the huns ye know, that its 5-1 to no to newco!

I would much prefer 6-2 or 7-0!

[Dashing Bob S]

To me the far bigger issue is the criminal investigation into the sale of Rangers from Murray to Whyte. That could throw a major spanner in the works. Something tells that the Huns might not be playing in any division next year.

[cabbageandribs1875]

sorry if already posted earlier

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-18582965

A criminal investigation is to be launched into Craig Whyte's takeover of Rangers Football Club in May last year.

The Crown Office asked Strathclyde Police to probe the purchase and the club's subsequent financial management.
The investigation into alleged criminality follows a preliminary examination of information passed to police by administrators

[Hibrandenburg]

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I have done the only decent thing. Twa Cairpets it shall be until the Huns story pans oot.

Lol!

[Squealing pig]

why no start your own rangers in administration forum. prob get plenty of interest from kid on hibs fans

[GreenCastle]

So looks like 4th July is a forgone conclusion - which was only the correct decsision.

When is the vote to try and admit them into the SFL how does that vote work? Do all SFL teams vote?

Will be interesting to see if Celtic, Motherwell, Killie, Ross County and St Mirren make any statements in the near future about how they plan to vote...

[Brando7]

I wonder when the BBC are going to stop putting Rangers news on the Scottish Premier home page.

[CropleyWasGod]

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So looks like 4th July is a forgone conclusion - which was only the correct decsision.

When is the vote to try and admit them into the SFL how does that vote work? Do all SFL teams vote?

Will be interesting to see if Celtic, Motherwell, Killie, Ross County and St Mirren make any statements in the near future about how they plan to vote...

They haven't applied to join the SFL yet.

[CropleyWasGod]

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why no start your own rangers in administration forum. prob get plenty of interest from kid on hibs fans

There can be only one.

[lapsedhibee]

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there is no scots word for carpet

See here atween cairn and cairt.

'mon the cabbitch!

[Hibernia&Alba]

What are the SFL voting rules for admittance of the Newco?

Can Rangers just approach each division individually?

[jgl07]

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They haven't applied to join the SFL yet.

Indeed; until the SPL decide what to do with 'Team 12' there will be no vacancy in the SFL for 'Rangers' to apply for.

If the SPL opt to have a league of 11 teams (daft I know), this would stuff 'Rangers' completely at least for 2012-13.

[lapsedhibee]

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What are the SFL voting rules for admittance of the Newco?

Can Rangers just approach each division individually?

Did someone not mention 84957340346363 posts ago that clubs had to be able to present three years' accounts with an application? Have Sevco 'FC' even got the paperwork to apply?

[CropleyWasGod]

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Indeed; until the SPL decide what to do with 'Team 12' there will be no vacancy in the SFL for 'Rangers' to apply for.

If the SPL opt to have a league of 11 teams (daft I know), this would stuff 'Rangers' completely at least for 2012-13.

Oh, that would be so cruel.

In years gone by, there was a 19-team Second Division, so there is precedent......

[GreenCastle]

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Indeed; until the SPL decide what to do with 'Team 12' there will be no vacancy in the SFL for 'Rangers' to apply for.

If the SPL opt to have a league of 11 teams (daft I know), this would stuff 'Rangers' completely at least for 2012-13.

That would be perfect - they then would have no where to go / play!

Who decides if it's a 11 team league or if Dundee get promoted ? (I still think it should be Dunfermline - even if JJ is there manager!)

Going to be interesting to see who else applies for an SFL place from lower leagues.