Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[whiskyhibby]

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Celtic fans to boycott Rugby Park seemingly.

So should we..........

[weecounty hibby]

I honestly think celtic will let them back in. Lawell has said they will do what is best for celtic. In my opinion that means having der hun in the spl. If they are not there celtics crowds would drop, no huns to play and probably still not much competition from the rest = lower crowds.
Clubs like Hibs will lose much much less fans than celtic so it would have less impact on us if they were in div3.
Remember celtic and rangers are just different subsidiaries of the same company and need each other more than the rest of us need them. Why do you think they have to have the same sponsors and the same strategy for the last few years of trying to get out of Scotland

[CropleyWasGod]

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The bigger problem is Green's business plan will not have allowed for 3 years in the wilderness of Scottish Football. A few more twists and turns in this yet. Wouldn't surprise me if the NewHuns decided just not to play at all, take their ball home and sulk

But if he owns the property, he just sells it.

[Andy74]

Hibs statement tomorrow please. Let's stop this dead now!

[CMac1988]

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I love the post stating "I'm fed up of hearing this word 'integrity'"
Interesting twist still think the fudge SPL2 is the next "attempt" to soften the blow for them. Unfair on the hardworking honest clubs trying to do the right thing like Falkirk in the SFL who have had more than their fair share of knock backs

I'm hopeful that if the SFA were too pander to Rangers in the fom of an SPL 2 that FIFA/UEFA would step in. If not then hopefully SPL and SFL clubs supporters will make as much noise as they are now.

Also like this little sentence on the first page; "Lol this isnt news no1 will vote us in we are the most hated team for our success."

Then this in response to an Dundee UTD supporter; "We probably would have sympathy, 'cause you don't matter. You're all so full of hate you can't see it. Ta ta." The irony considering some of the vile posted in that thread is beyond belief.

p.s. I'm all for league restructuring etc. but not when it is rushed and forced through in an effort to help keep Rangerson the fringe of top tier football in Scotland.

[Onion]

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Feeling a bit sorry for Killie fans here.

Their club management are on the verge of folding them if SPL fans follow up on abandoning them.

I'm pretty sure their fans will all be 95% against like all others.

Well, that would would be the perfect storm - no Huns , no home fans and no away fans at Killie home matches. Hope their Board enjoy counting their reduced TV money while watching their team play in an empty stadium. And think of the loss in pie revenue

[LancashireHibby]

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I honestly think celtic will let them back in. Lawell has said they will do what is best for celtic. In my opinion that means having der hun in the spl. If they are not there celtics crowds would drop, no huns to play and probably still not much competition from the rest = lower crowds.
Clubs like Hibs will lose much much less fans than celtic so it would have less impact on us if they were in div3.
Remember celtic and rangers are just different subsidiaries of the same company and need each other more than the rest of us need them. Why do you think they have to have the same sponsors and the same strategy for the last few years of trying to get out of Scotland

Celtic would have a LOT more to lose than the rest of us though if their fans boycotted their own club if Celtic vote yes (and, in fairness, their fans have been protagonists of the boycott idea so would be hugely hypocritical and embarrassing for them to go against their own statements).

[blackpoolhibs]

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I wouldn't be surprised if Killie see the lie of the land and eventually vote no as well in the hope of heading of boycotts by away fans.

Kilmarnock have nailed their colours to the mast, they would vote them back. It seems now to me, they probably wont need a vote, and their chairman will slide in with the rest pretending he was going to vote that way.

**** Kilmarnock, i'd let them suffer twice. I hope the non rangers clubs boycott them, their fans boycott them and they die along with the huns.

[Cabbage East]

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Is there not some rule that states applicants for the SFL have to submit 3 years of accounts or will they just ignore this rule in Rangers case, is it a given that Newco will be accepted into SFL?

Yes but expect some rule bending. It would be fine with me if the huns ended up in the 3rd as long as it wasn't at the expense of a strong non-league application. I think we should send a few cabbage to support the Huns opposition on any day that we're not playing.

[HibbySpurs]

As much as it pains me to say it but well done Mad Vlad

His rant has spurred Dundee Utd to come out publicly as well

Lets hope that this is the begining of an "avalanche" of SPL clubs coming out and saying no,no,no.....

if 9 or 10 publicly state their intent the only "decent" thing left for der hun to do is fall on their sword and resign the oldco from the SPL whist the newco withdraws it's application for membrship and apply to the SFL.

I know the above wont happen but thats what honourable folks would do, which is of course why it wont happen

[Bostonhibby]

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I honestly think celtic will let them back in. Lawell has said they will do what is best for celtic. In my opinion that means having der hun in the spl. If they are not there celtics crowds would drop, no huns to play and probably still not much competition from the rest = lower crowds.
Clubs like Hibs will lose much much less fans than celtic so it would have less impact on us if they were in div3.
Remember celtic and rangers are just different subsidiaries of the same company and need each other more than the rest of us need them. Why do you think they have to have the same sponsors and the same strategy for the last few years of trying to get out of Scotland

two cheeks of the same arse in my view, wouldnae be surprised. but interested to see how the celtc fans would view their board keeping Her Maj's newco, team 12 or whatever they are subsequently called going.

[Onion]

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I honestly think celtic will let them back in. Lawell has said they will do what is best for celtic. In my opinion that means having der hun in the spl. If they are not there celtics crowds would drop, no huns to play and probably still not much competition from the rest = lower crowds.
Clubs like Hibs will lose much much less fans than celtic so it would have less impact on us if they were in div3.
Remember celtic and rangers are just different subsidiaries of the same company and need each other more than the rest of us need them. Why do you think they have to have the same sponsors and the same strategy for the last few years of trying to get out of Scotland

That makes logical sense, but when you think of the scale of cheating that Der Hun has been accused of and the huge impact this had had on Celtic over the last 15 years.... the need to punish them properly will be overwhelming. IMHO Celtic will stick it to the Cheats with relish

[SRHibs]

I think it's going to be 'No', and by a landslide too. I mean, it would be senseless for any club to vote otherwise now that so many clubs are coming forward and nailing their colours to the mast.

[stokesmessiah]

Quite happy that both Hearts & Utd have come out and shown their cards early and hopefully a few more will now too.

Feel sorry for Killie fans though, not sure it is their intention to have a newco straight back in. Been on quite a few forums tonight and the general consensus is that they are unhappy with MJ coming out in support.

Also, its quite frightening that so many fans want to act like the club we are all collectively working towards ousting. IMO it sounds very hunnish to be actively promoting trying to kill off a club because we don't agree with their opinion (well their chairmans opinion).

It's looking decidedly like Sevco/Dead Huns are finally going to get their comeuppance and it is going to leave a financial gap in the SPL, i think the teams that are left in the SPL next season need to really sit down and work on the product, that for me includes making all the teams in it stronger and more value for money...incl Killie.

[JohnStephens91]

Most of what Vlad said today is true, I think he didn't mean to come across as intelligent as that but I can't slander him for coming out and finally telling the truth of how the Yams will vote. I know we are all still hurting and haunted by that final, but this is an issue the clubs and the fans of Hibs and Hearts need to stand side by side on, along with the fans of all other SPL clubs who will be voting no. Together we can achieve this. Well done Vlad for being the first to publicly say he will vote no, followed by Thompson. Hopefully Petrie is next, followed by Milne and Lawwell along with Cameron up in the Highlands.

[LancashireHibby]

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Also, its quite frightening that so many fans want to act like the club we are all collectively working towards ousting. IMO it sounds very hunnish to be actively promoting trying to kill off a club because we don't agree with their opinion (well their chairmans opinion).

It's looking decidedly like Sevco/Dead Huns are finally going to get their comeuppance and it is going to leave a financial gap in the SPL, i think the teams that are left in the SPL next season need to really sit down and work on the product, that for me includes making all the teams in it stronger and more value for money...incl Killie.

To me, it's quite a simple solution - you're either with us, or you're not. Those that vote 'no' will certainly see an increase in away support. Any clubs that votes yes are effectively endorsing the cheating that Rangers have got away with over such a substantial period of time and as such should face consequences of their own.

[Onion]

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Quite happy that both Hearts & Utd have come out and shown their cards early and hopefully a few more will now too.

Feel sorry for Killie fans though, not sure it is their intention to have a newco straight back in. Been on quite a few forums tonight and the general consensus is that they are unhappy with MJ coming out in support.

Also, its quite frightening that so many fans want to act like the club we are all collectively working towards ousting. IMO it sounds very hunnish to be actively promoting trying to kill off a club because we don't agree with their opinion (well their chairmans opinion).

It's looking decidedly like Sevco/Dead Huns are finally going to get their comeuppance and it is going to leave a financial gap in the SPL, i think the teams that are left in the SPL next season need to really sit down and work on the product, that for me includes making all the teams in it stronger and more value for money...incl Killie.

nothing to do with Killie fans who deserve our support, but their Board & Manager have danced with the Devil and need to suffer the consequences. Assuming the vote goes against the Huns, the right thing would be for Killie fans to oust their Board for putting their club in an impossible position. Gerald Ratner moment

[Speedy]

Saw this on facebook, made me laugh

[McD]

If, a big if, rangers in whatever form they are/will be do NOT get accepted to the SPL, and A N Other club (probably Dundee) are parachuted in to keep 12 teams.....

What are the chances of the likes of Petrie, United's Thomson, Milne from Aberdeen, or any of the other chairmen looking to start throwing proposals at the SPL meetings to get the money distribution, voting systems etc changed for the mutual benefit of the non Glasgow teams, bearing in mind that the biggest hurdle (11-1 vote) would be much less of an issue (if one at all) now that the OF wouldn't be there to only accept situations that suit them and veto everything else?

If they did, this could safeguard against a future return of Rangers to the SPL, so that if/when rangers get back, the money etc is distributed in a much fairer manner, stopping the OF from raking in the lion's share.

[LancashireHibby]

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If, a big if, rangers in whatever form they are/will be do NOT get accepted to the SPL, and A N Other club (probably Dundee) are parachuted in to keep 12 teams.....

What are the chances of the likes of Petrie, United's Thomson, Milne from Aberdeen, or any of the other chairmen looking to start throwing proposals at the SPL meetings to get the money distribution, voting systems etc changed for the mutual benefit of the non Glasgow teams, bearing in mind that the biggest hurdle (11-1 vote) would be much less of an issue (if one at all) now that the OF wouldn't be there to only accept situations that suit them and veto everything else?

If they did, this could safeguard against a future return of Rangers to the SPL, so that if/when rangers get back, the money etc is distributed in a much fairer manner, stopping the OF from raking in the lion's share.

In many ways, that's where the real fight begins and I've got renewed faith in those in charge that they will see what a golden opportunity this is to push for far more equality in the SPL.

[Spike Mandela]

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The only certain Yes votes now are Kilmarnock and Ross County. Even Green might vote No if he doesn't have the dosh to pay SPl wages.

Have Ross County suggested they will vote yes? I would have thought it would be to their advantage to have a 1st division club promoted and increase thei chance of staying in the SPL.

[LancashireHibby]

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Have Ross County suggested they will vote yes? I would have thought it would be to their advantage to have a 1st division club promoted and increase thei chance of staying in the SPL.

Good thinking, that's definitely one angle I'd not seen - most are suggesting they'd vote 'yes' to make sure they get the cash from the travelling Huns.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Folks with crystal balls walk funny... ;)

I dont think we can confidently predict away gates going up just yet.
A lot of the promises of many will either materialise or not and economic factors may become the overriding ones. An away trip to some far flung locatiOn on a Wednesday night in Novermber may lose it's appeal as the season progresses.
That said I hope for the future of Scottish football the positives overcome the negatives.

[joe breezy]

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I honestly think celtic will let them back in. Lawell has said they will do what is best for celtic. In my opinion that means having der hun in the spl. If they are not there celtics crowds would drop, no huns to play and probably still not much competition from the rest = lower crowds.
Clubs like Hibs will lose much much less fans than celtic so it would have less impact on us if they were in div3.
Remember celtic and rangers are just different subsidiaries of the same company and need each other more than the rest of us need them. Why do you think they have to have the same sponsors and the same strategy for the last few years of trying to get out of Scotland

Celtic fans will be boycotting Celtic - not sure how that will help crowds

[ballengeich]

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If, a big if, rangers in whatever form they are/will be do NOT get accepted to the SPL, and A N Other club (probably Dundee) are parachuted in to keep 12 teams.....

What are the chances of the likes of Petrie, United's Thomson, Milne from Aberdeen, or any of the other chairmen looking to start throwing proposals at the SPL meetings to get the money distribution, voting systems etc changed for the mutual benefit of the non Glasgow teams, bearing in mind that the biggest hurdle (11-1 vote) would be much less of an issue (if one at all) now that the OF wouldn't be there to only accept situations that suit them and veto everything else?

If they did, this could safeguard against a future return of Rangers to the SPL, so that if/when rangers get back, the money etc is distributed in a much fairer manner, stopping the OF from raking in the lion's share.

It's absolutely vital that these issues should be addressed. The SPL has increased the differential between the income of the Bigot Bros and the other top division teams. If Rangers aren't in the top league for a year (or more) it will cause problems, but it also gives opportunities to shape a better future for Scottish football. If the opportunity isn't taken we might as well vote them back in with no further sanctions.

[matty_f]

The implications of an SPL minus Rangers are massive. If in the short term the non-OF teams take a financial hit, long term everything changes.
The 11-1 OF veto goes out the window meaning that the league set up becomes much more democratic. The tight grip that the OF have had over the SPL is no more.
The biggest game in the Scottish calendar is the Edinburgh derby. Celtic will undoubtedly secure top spot for next season but it's a lead that can slowly but surely be eroded as other clubs benefit from an increased chance of European football and the benefit of a more even handed approach to the tv money distribution.
rangers' death could quite conceivably be the thing that ultimately saves Scottish football.

I think so long as they don't come straight back into the SPL then talks of boycott should stop. Once out of the top flight there is very little that the SPL clubs can do to influence what happens to them, they're not our problem.


Crucially, though, we as supporters must stand by our teams across the land and ensure that our own clubs don't suffer for making the right decisions. We need as many people back at Easter Road in great numbers than in recent history to not only protect the club but to ensure we emerge stronger.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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If, a big if, rangers in whatever form they are/will be do NOT get accepted to the SPL, and A N Other club (probably Dundee) are parachuted in to keep 12 teams.....

What are the chances of the likes of Petrie, United's Thomson, Milne from Aberdeen, or any of the other chairmen looking to start throwing proposals at the SPL meetings to get the money distribution, voting systems etc changed for the mutual benefit of the non Glasgow teams, bearing in mind that the biggest hurdle (11-1 vote) would be much less of an issue (if one at all) now that the OF wouldn't be there to only accept situations that suit them and veto everything else?

If they did, this could safeguard against a future return of Rangers to the SPL, so that if/when rangers get back, the money etc is distributed in a much fairer manner, stopping the OF from raking in the lion's share.

I think this is the key point that shouldn't be lost in the fog of what seems like war (even if it's not quite Civil war). Abolishing the skewed voting system should be a priority so it holds us back no longer

[Jim44]

Today's news re. Hearts and D. United voting against Rangers is a bit of a watershed. Until today, no club has openly declared it's cards and Rangers, possibly in optimism rather than realism, thought that they might survive in the SPL. With this in mind they were making great shows of defiance, bravado and martyrdom by saying that, if rejected, it would be to Div.3 and definitely not to Div.1. Lo and behold, with a 'no' vote looking more and more likely, the snivelling pigs are having second thoughts and are beginning to call for a drop to Div.1. This however if I am correct is not possible as they would have to be relegated to Div.1. Application to join the SFL would only relate to Div.3.

[renato]

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If, a big if, rangers in whatever form they are/will be do NOT get accepted to the SPL, and A N Other club (probably Dundee) are parachuted in to keep 12 teams.....

What are the chances of the likes of Petrie, United's Thomson, Milne from Aberdeen, or any of the other chairmen looking to start throwing proposals at the SPL meetings to get the money distribution, voting systems etc changed for the mutual benefit of the non Glasgow teams, bearing in mind that the biggest hurdle (11-1 vote) would be much less of an issue (if one at all) now that the OF wouldn't be there to only accept situations that suit them and veto everything else?

If they did, this could safeguard against a future return of Rangers to the SPL, so that if/when rangers get back, the money etc is distributed in a much fairer manner, stopping the OF from raking in the lion's share.

There's another angle to this too.

Celtc could be in a difficult spot now - vote "no" and they could lose out big style re distribution of TV monies etc as 11-1 is no longer a barrier to change. Vote "yes" and their fans will be in uproar with boycotts, protests etc disrupting their season.

Lovely jubly :-)

[21.05.2016]

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There's another angle to this too.

Celtc could be in a difficult spot now - vote "no" and they could lose out big style re distribution of TV monies etc as 11-1 is no longer a barrier to change. Vote "yes" and their fans will be in uproar with boycotts, protests etc disrupting their season.

Lovely jubly :-)