Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[green glory]

I've noticed the Hun mentality is to never take seriously or believe anything from someone they don't consider one of them.

If they did they might have made their own board more accountable and avoided the death of their club.

[kennyh]

With Vlad coming down off the fence thats 3 against NEWCO in the SPL.

Hibs, Hearts, St Mirren. Let’s see which other two will join us to block them. In my mind now all it needs is CFC to come out with a strong statement and it could quickly move to being a unanimous vote. Let’s face it if you know before or during the meeting its improbable they will get in then why vote that way and face the backlash from Hibs, Hearts, Dons, CFC and other fan groups.

I can’t wait to see how Green funds the club with little ST cash and walk up gate money every fortnight. Will 40-50000 Bears pay £25 to watch 3rd Div teams. Let’s see then if they do walking away. LOYAL ~ My Er$e

[PatHead]

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Auld Vlad's going down a storm on RM its hilarious


Another thing spell checker do these plums ever use it

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=223423

My personal favourite - thanks for explaining it!!!!

Mad vlad is madder than mad jack McMad, in other words he is ***** Mad

[Phil D. Rolls]

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I've noticed the Hun mentality is to never take seriously or believe anything from someone they don't consider one of them.

If they did they might have made their own board more accountable and avoided the death of their club.

Reminds me of that Dylan song - "Who Killed Davey Moore", where nobody is to blame for the death of a boxer in the ring.

"Not us," says the angry crowd,
Whose screams filled the arena loud.
"It's too bad he died that night
But we just like to see a fight.
We didn't mean for him t' meet his death,
We just meant to see some sweat,
There ain't nothing wrong in that.
It wasn't us that made him fall.
No, you can't blame us at all."

[cad]

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My personal favourite - thanks for explaining it!!!!

Mad vlad is madder than mad jack McMad, in other words he is ***** Mad

Some start of on the moral high ground but after WilliamMunys contribution 3 post I think it is I just couldnt stop laughing

[BarneyK]

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Is Jimmy Carr a Rangers fan? Seem to have similar tax arrangements. Hopefully all the tax dodging players will be shamed in the same way as he has.

They have no shame.

[JeMeSouviens]

With Vlad saying NO (bet the minions at Tynie are loving that, ) and Well putting it to a vote of fans (who'll say NO). It looks like the battle to keep New Huns out of the SPL is all but won.

Onto round 2 : keeping the Huns out of the first division! No time for complacency.

[StevieC]

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With Vlad coming down off the fence thats 3 against NEWCO in the SPL.

Hibs, Hearts, St Mirren.

I'm yet to see anything that confirms St Mirren will be voting No to NewCo.

With Hearts clearly now against admitting a NewCo and Motherwell now saying they will let the fans decide, I think you can add those two to Hibs and (IMO) Aberdeen as definitely voting against a NewCo.
Although they haven't publicly stated it, I think it would be very hard for Celtic to say Yes given their supporters feelings.

Dundee United have released season ticket figures that have them seriously worried and a No to NewCo might be their only way to redeem early statements about a vote based on financial necessity.

St Johnstone supporters are increasing the pressure on the club to say NO after the previous statements from chairman Brown, and Perth isn't that big a city that he can get away with ignoring their views.

I think by the 4th, barring any major developments, the required number of votes will be secured to ensure a No to NewCo.

[lapsedhibee]

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Onto round 2 : keeping the Huns out of the first division! No time for complacency.

Skip round 2, do not collect £200 tax rebate, go straight to round 3: keep the Huns out of the SFL. The debate should now be about whether they should be accepted into the bottom league, which is not SFL 1,2 or 3.

[Saorsa]

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I'm yet to see anything that confirms St Mirren will be voting No to NewCo.

With Hearts clearly now against admitting a NewCo and Motherwell now saying they will let the fans decide, I think you can add those two to Hibs and (IMO) Aberdeen as definitely voting against a NewCo.
Although they haven't publicly stated it, I think it would be very hard for Celtic to say Yes given their supporters feelings.

Dundee United have released season ticket figures that have them seriously worried and a No to NewCo might be their only way to redeem early statements about a vote based on financial necessity.

St Johnstone supporters are increasing the pressure on the club to say NO after the previous statements from chairman Brown, and Perth isn't that big a city that he can get away with ignoring their views.

I think by the 4th, barring any major developments, the required number of votes will be secured to ensure a No to NewCo.

I would love for your prediction tae be right but there's too many slimy characters involved in Scottish fitba, I'll believe it only when I see it happen.

[LancashireHibby]

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Skip round 2, do not collect £200 tax rebate, go straight to round 3: keep the Huns out of the SFL. The debate should now be about whether they should be accepted into the bottom league, which is not SFL 1,2 or 3.

In the absence of a 'proper' pyramid system, SFL3 is the lowest league that they would need to join as the Highland League/Juniors etc are effectively completely separate.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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Auld Vlad's going down a storm on RM its hilarious


Another thing spell checker do these plums ever use it

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=223423

Comedy classic!

It's a weird, twisted world across in Edinburgh.

Oh my sides!

[Caversham Green]

I think the idea of relegating them by way of a points deduction for last season is a non-starter.

First, they could only deduct the points for fielding ineligible players in individual games and the EBTs finshed before last season so that can't apply.

Secondly, a relegated team is obliged to transfer their share to the promoted team, so Oldco would have to transfer their share to Ross County, but Ross County already have Dunfy's share anf dthey're not allowed to hold two. There's no mechanism for transferring the share to the relegated team.

Thirdly, if they transfer the share to Newco, Newco have never earned any points in the SPL so can't have them deducted, nor have they been relegated so they can't be ineligible before becoming eligible.

From a legal standpoint it just doesn't work.

[cad]

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Right on que... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/footbal...medium=twitter

Seems he's moved back from the whole 'We must save them at ANY / ALL COSTS!!!!' viewpoint at least.

Still think he's talking **** though, 1,000 season tickets to equal the money lost by a few thousand Rangers fans coming twice a year? How cheap are Killie season tickets?!

What a knob this guy is ,he gets it wrong ,then its
"Now, perhaps more than ever before, we need our true supporters to back the club - regardless of who "Club 12" turns out to be."

IMO unless they ditch him Killie's going to be empty next season his "finance & integrity " speech still hits a nerve .

[lapsedhibee]

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In the absence of a 'proper' pyramid system, SFL3 is the lowest league that they would need to join as the Highland League/Juniors etc are effectively completely separate.

SFL3 is the lowest league that they would need to join for the purpose of getting back in to the SPL within three years. This is still Huns trying to decide what their punishment should be. Throw them right oot the four leagues and let them try and get back in once they've proved they can behave decently for a few years. (That's assuming that they still exist as Huns. If they don't, there's nothing to throw out and they should start again as a new club just like any other startup - and no startup walks into the SFL, does it?)

[JeMeSouviens]

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I think the idea of relegating them by way of a points deduction for last season is a non-starter.

First, they could only deduct the points for fielding ineligible players in individual games and the EBTs finshed before last season so that can't apply.

Secondly, a relegated team is obliged to transfer their share to the promoted team, so Oldco would have to transfer their share to Ross County, but Ross County already have Dunfy's share anf dthey're not allowed to hold two. There's no mechanism for transferring the share to the relegated team.

Thirdly, if they transfer the share to Newco, Newco have never earned any points in the SPL so can't have them deducted, nor have they been relegated so they can't be ineligible before becoming eligible.

From a legal standpoint it just doesn't work.

I think you're right. It will only be done under a reconstruction plan to merge the SPL/SFL and with specific new rules inserted to cope with allowing such byzantine Hunsaving mechanisms.

Theoretically, just about possible given the will from all sides. Practically it must be nearly impossible to get it all agreed and signed off in a month! Let's hope so, anyway.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Skip round 2, do not collect £200 tax rebate, go straight to round 3: keep the Huns out of the SFL. The debate should now be about whether they should be accepted into the bottom league, which is not SFL 1,2 or 3.

At last, someone echoing my view.

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In the absence of a 'proper' pyramid system, SFL3 is the lowest league that they would need to join as the Highland League/Juniors etc are effectively completely separate.

West of Scotland League and all other football leagues in Scotland come under the umbrella organisation that is the SFA. They want to register to play football, they have to do it with the blessing of the SFA.

[Part/Time Supporter]

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Right on que... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/footbal...medium=twitter

Seems he's moved back from the whole 'We must save them at ANY / ALL COSTS!!!!' viewpoint at least.

Still think he's talking **** though, 1,000 season tickets to equal the money lost by a few thousand Rangers fans coming twice a year? How cheap are Killie season tickets?!

More to do with the fact Killie turn over both end stands + a bit of the main stand to both OF teams. It can mean up to 10,000 Rantic fans at a Killie game. Multiply it by two and then divide by the normal number of Killie home games (19) and you can see where Johnston gets 1000 from.

Mind you, it was a daft business model for them to build such a big stadium that it could only possibly be filled by Rantic. Even they don't fill that allocation most of the time nowadays either.

[Lungo--Drom]

Sorry if this has been posted before:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/327897

The Daily Express, not a paper I'd buy but it is priceless. The language and emphatic prose really made my day. If you can't be bothered following the link what it says is Charles Green is a b*****t filled knob :D

[s.a.m]

James Shaw‏@JGBSCaley Thistle chairman Kenny Cameron: fans who say that Rangers have been punished sufficiently "are in an extremely small minority".


Another saying no to Sevco?

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

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More to do with the fact Killie turn over both end stands + a bit of the main stand to both OF teams. It can mean up to 10,000 Rantic fans at a Killie game. Multiply it by two and then divide by the normal number of Killie home games (19) and you can see where Johnston gets 1000 from.

Mind you, it was a daft business model for them to build such a big stadium that it could only possibly be filled by Rantic. Even they don't fill that allocation most of the time nowadays either.

Not entirely true, was it not the SPL that dictated a stadium of 10,000 was the minimum requirement to be compliant. Stadiums of that size are just not feasible/realistic for teams such as Killie, Ross County, Dunfermline etc...

[Jim44]

After all this is done and we are down (95% cert now) Green should come out and say that we will not be buying ANY players from teams that said NO.

Over the years we have funded Hearts / Hibs / Utd to the tunes of millions of pounds. This MUST STOP.

SPL teams outwith Celic rely on transfer fees from Rangers every couple os seasons. Not only should this stop - they should be told it is stopping.

A very p8ssed off Fan

Hallelujah.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Not entirely true, was it not the SPL that dictated a stadium of 10,000 was the minimum requirement to be compliant. Stadiums of that size are just not feasible/realistic for teams such as Killie, Ross County, Dunfermline etc...

Killie's ground is nearly double that minimum!

[JeMeSouviens]

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After all this is done and we are down (95% cert now) Green should come out and say that we will not be buying ANY players from teams that said NO.

Over the years we have funded Hearts / Hibs / Utd to the tunes of millions of pounds. This MUST STOP.

SPL teams outwith Celic rely on transfer fees from Rangers every couple os seasons. Not only should this stop - they should be told it is stopping.

A very p8ssed off Fan

Hallelujah.

Given he's got **** all money, that's pretty much a given.

[RyeSloan]

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More to do with the fact Killie turn over both end stands + a bit of the main stand to both OF teams. It can mean up to 10,000 Rantic fans at a Killie game. Multiply it by two and then divide by the normal number of Killie home games (19) and you can see where Johnston gets 1000 from.

Mind you, it was a daft business model for them to build such a big stadium that it could only possibly be filled by Rantic. Even they don't fill that allocation most of the time nowadays either.

Killie had a total attendance of about 110k last year. It would appear that they have at about 5k more per rantic match so a rough average would those games worth about 20% extra punters than if they had no rantic games.

Kille therefore I think probably have the most to lose in terms of home gate receipts when there are no Rangers in the SPL

Not sure where he’s getting the 1,000 season tickets from though. Taking the 5k average (the final Celtic game last year was no indication as that was a title winning game) the max he will lose by having no Rangers is 10k fans…over 19 games this is 526 punters more on average across the season. Factor in the fact that there is no guarantee that they will get 4 Rantic visits (bottom 6 performance or the unique SPL methodology of playing a team away 3 times in a season) the correct and prudent way to budget would be for only 1 visit…this then only requires an average increase of 263 across the season to be mitigated.

So on the face of it he is saying he needs an extra 400k (1,000 * £400) to mitigate the impact of no Huns but in reality it would be 250k (10,000 * £25) absolute worst case and for future budgeting he should be taking a conservative view (to avoid overspending and underperforming) and that would be about 125k (5,000 * £25).

It’s been said before these losses in no way reflect any gains from reduced policing costs, increased attendance caused by better competition etc. Might be easy for me to say but 125k seems a small price to pay for protecting sporting integrity and starting the SPL down a path of fairness for all members.

[JeMeSouviens]

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SFL3 is the lowest league that they would need to join for the purpose of getting back in to the SPL within three years. This is still Huns trying to decide what their punishment should be. Throw them right oot the four leagues and let them try and get back in once they've proved they can behave decently for a few years. (That's assuming that they still exist as Huns. If they don't, there's nothing to throw out and they should start again as a new club just like any other startup - and no startup walks into the SFL, does it?)

Inverness Caledonian Thistle?

[joe breezy]

SPL / SFA Take note...

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/spo...League/?ref=mc

[CropleyWasGod]

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SPL / SFA Take note...

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/spo...League/?ref=mc

We don't have the same pyramid system as they have in England, unfortunately.

[Dashing Bob S]

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I would love for your prediction tae be right but there's too many slimy characters involved in Scottish fitba, I'll believe it only when I see it happen.

Sadly on the money, I fear Dan. Would love them to prove me wrong though, and that there still remains some testicular activity within Scottish football administration.

[Dashing Bob S]

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Killie had a total attendance of about 110k last year. It would appear that they have at about 5k more per rantic match so a rough average would those games worth about 20% extra punters than if they had no rantic games.

Kille therefore I think probably have the most to lose in terms of home gate receipts when there are no Rangers in the SPL

Not sure where he’s getting the 1,000 season tickets from though. Taking the 5k average (the final Celtic game last year was no indication as that was a title winning game) the max he will lose by having no Rangers is 10k fans…over 19 games this is 526 punters more on average across the season. Factor in the fact that there is no guarantee that they will get 4 Rantic visits (bottom 6 performance or the unique SPL methodology of playing a team away 3 times in a season) the correct and prudent way to budget would be for only 1 visit…this then only requires an average increase of 263 across the season to be mitigated.

So on the face of it he is saying he needs an extra 400k (1,000 * £400) to mitigate the impact of no Huns but in reality it would be 250k (10,000 * £25) absolute worst case and for future budgeting he should be taking a conservative view (to avoid overspending and underperforming) and that would be about 125k (5,000 * £25).

It’s been said before these losses in no way reflect any gains from reduced policing costs, increased attendance caused by better competition etc. Might be easy for me to say but 125k seems a small price to pay for protecting sporting integrity and starting the SPL down a path of fairness for all members.

Especially as quite a few local Huns might find it a jolly good wheeze to go along to Rugby Park should their drug of choice suddenly become unavailable.