Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[The Falcon]

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The most sensible thing to do would be for the "gang of 10" to sit down and decide amongst themselves how they are going to vote and if more than 5 of them make it clear they will be voting no at the meeting then making a statement to declare that ALL clubs have reached the decision to not allow NewHuns to enter the SPL and therefore avoid the risk of some clubs voting yes and incurring the wrath of their own fans and the celtic boycotts on 4th July.

I would even include Celtic. Make it unanimous.

[ballengeich]

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That's a good shout, though they should include Celtc in it as well - no need to alienate them just now.

Particularly as Celtic might have to be one of the five.

[Jim44]

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Just read about these two.

Business wound up due to unpaid tax, directors ban.

They do say ***** attracts flies.

This whole thing stinks, could not agree more with BH also, the whole of Scottish Football suffers because of a bigoted, corrupt cesspit.

THIS is them.


ps Sorry , link not working ..........it's an article about one of their businesses going bust.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[Offside Trap]

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Just read this reply and you have summed it up very well ll Blackpool, even if newco are in Div 3 then it really has opened up a lot of fans eyes about how the Scottish game is run and the media behind it. While I think most of us knew the game was run for the benefit of the 2 we never really could quite prove it, yes they got the dodgy decisions, but we never saw the level of submissivnes( is that the right word) that we are seeing from the authorities and the media we are seeing now. As I say even with newco in division 3 then I think Scottish football has lost some fans forever, and even those that continue to go may feel something has been lost. It's a sad state of affairs indeed.

Of course, there is the other perspective on what comes out of all of this. Rangers are booted out/to Div 3, we rid our top league of the overwhelming majority of the inherent sectarianism, our media's views are reinvented, better distribution amongst clubs of TV money and commercial influence, increased competition, governance structures simplified and more transparent, greater fan influence. All of which = brighter future = more interest in the game. Won't happen overnight clearly - but I'm an optimist!

[The Green Goblin]

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Hopefully when it all comes out we won't have to keep reading p15h like this;



The club has subjected its followers to various indignities over the past couple of years and not the least of them is an obligation to assert endlessly the continued ownership of their own back story. Rangers are being told – forcibly and repeatedly – that they have "lost" their history. No ifs, no buts: it was flushed away when Rangers Football Club plc was plunged into liquidation last Thursday. Nine-in-a-row? Barcelona 1972? Others would scoop those memories out of their brains if they could.

Scottish football is still getting its head around the full implications of Rangers being liquidated and attempting to pull the pieces back together in order to continue playing next season. Even that sort of innocuous statement can bring a swift slapdown from the armies of angry detractors populating the social media: get it into your head, there is no Rangers, they're dead and gone, deceased, the SPL's ex-parrot. According to the more hysterical, even referring to them as Rangers at all it is "peddling the myth that they are alive and well". Many won't be happy unless every mention comes with some sort of footnote, suffix or asterisk, lest anyone be under the impression that a skeletal hand is rising up through the soil on Rangers' grave.


Well, fine, the point has been made often enough by now. But if people are going to carry on hectoring about what they should really be called every time the word "Rangers" is used, this will soon become tedious beyond belief. It's one of those contrived issues, really. No-one in offices, cafes or pubs is going to go around calling them anything but Rangers for very long, regardless of what it says on the paperwork at Companies House. It's the obvious and inevitable shorthand for the football club playing its home games at Ibrox next season.


Rangers fans will simply have to suck it up for a while, in the hope that Celtic supporters and others will eventually exhaust themselves in the schadenfreude of their numerous embarrassments. They insist they should be called Sevco 5088, or Club 12, or Zombie FC, or countless unprintable alternatives, and there was further grist to the mill when it emerged yesterday that the Charles Green consortium cannot yet legally use the name "The Rangers Football Club", as they intend to. That title will have to be approved by liquidators BDO, and BDO cannot give that approval because they have yet to take control of the club's affairs.


It amounts to yet another little defeat in a seemingly endless sequence of them, not to mention confusing the issue of what working name should be used between Green and the SPL while the former tries to secure the latter's approval at a meeting of all 12 member clubs on June 4.


Most Rangers fans long for a future when the club has navigated itself back to prominence in the SPL, winning trophies and playing to full houses at Ibrox. In the meantime they will insist that the newco is a continuation of their history, and to hell with what anyone else says. They will watch a team in blue at Ibrox, they'll sing the same songs, cherish the same heroes – Jim Baxter, Davie Cooper, Ian Durrant – and buy scarves and flags celebrating nine straight titles and a European Cup-Winners' Cup.


The notion that none of that would be the newco's history is not going to be taken seriously anywhere around Ibrox. The line taken by the club itself will be that both the oldco and the newco amount to the corporate structure running Rangers Football Club, which was the entity which won all the trophies and which carries on regardless. Expect to see all the silverware – the 54 titles, 60 domestic cups and European trophy – being listed in the match programme the next time they play at home.


The obvious comparison is how Airdrie United deal with Airdrieonians' history. Airdrie United was formed in 2002 after Airdrieonians went bust. They secured a place in the Scottish Football League by buying out Clydebank FC, relocating it to Airdrie and changing the strips to the old Airdrieonians colours. In essence, the club which finished fourth in the Second Division last season is a reincarnation of Clydebank which its supporters see instead as a reborn Airdrieonians. Under "Club History" on their website, the headline reads: "The Past Cannot be Forgotten". The section highlights that Airdrieonians played in four Scottish Cup finals, winning one, and played in Europe in 1992. Great old names like Hughie Gallacher and Bob McPhail are celebrated.


"Their" history is Airdieonians' rather than Clydebank's for one simple reason: it is their supporters' wish. It will be the same at Rangers, no matter how often the realities of liquidation and newco status are hammered home to them by others insisting that they have a clean slate and no right to celebrate what "another club" won.


In one regard the history of Rangers is way too significant for petty pointscoring. The club suffered Scottish football's greatest loss of life when 66 fans died in the 1971 Ibrox disaster, a tragedy mourned by fans of all clubs but most deeply felt by Rangers. That memory must endure, commemorated annually and visibly. What happened on Stairway 13 is as poignantly relevant to any new Rangers as it was to the old one.




Bringing up the Ibrox disaster is just risible.

Who wrote that propaganda? It smells of Traynor/Young/Jackson but plenty more hun apologists/defenders besides them.

Anyway, I'm curious - who was it?

[s.a.m]

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Who wrote that propaganda? It smells of Traynor/Young/Jackson but plenty more hun apologists/defenders besides them.

Anyway, I'm curious - who was it?

I think it was Michael Grant in The Herald.

[Spike Mandela]

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Who wrote that propaganda? It smells of Traynor/Young/Jackson but plenty more hun apologists/defenders besides them.

Anyway, I'm curious - who was it?

OMG that article takes deflection, rewriting of events and misrepresentation of facts to a whole new level. The campaign to get Rangers off scot free was always going to ramp up but to roll out the Ibrox disaster as a reason to ensure their 'history' remains intact is pathetic and insulting to grieving families. The disaster should be remembered for the tragic loss of life and the impetus for bringing forward improvements in stadia not for getting financial crooks off the hook.

The rest of the article trying to elicit sympathy for the poor put upon bigoted hordes is sycophantic nonsense and my money would be on apologist in chief Traynor.

[...WentToMowAnSPL]

The link to the ibrox disaster is disgusting .. The directors of rangers fc are responsible for cheating their way to the situation they find themselves in... And I never expected the weedgie press to collude in the way they have done

[Cropley10]

What was it Walter Myth said yesterday? Good luck to the new Rangers Football Club. Yep, the NEW Rangers Football Club.

The 26,000 small investors of Rangers Football Club now have nothing. They thought they owned part of the Football Club, not some 'holding company'. Do these 26,000 own part of the NEW Rangers Football Club?

[Cropley10]

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I just don't see there being a Rangers playing football anywhere in Scotland on August 4th.

There are way too many investigations, court cases, contract disputes etc., not to mention a complete lack of actual cash for them to be anywhere near ready in time.

In won't be down to the vote of SPL clubs or the result of the BTC, it will simply be down to time. There's not enough of it for them.

time and documentation/paperwork

[calmac12000]

If any action is taken over the exposing of Rangers blatant corruption it is with a few honourable exceptions,, despite the efforts of the media rather than because of them. The establishment media has lined up behind Rangers at every turn. Obviously, not wishing to upset the cozy status quo, in this country. It is impossible to give a definitive reason for this. Whether it is due to centuries of sectarian attitudes being acceptable in Scotland, if often with a nod and a wink. Was it simply the fact that one clubs overweening ambition and arrogance, coupled with their reputed financial power, made Scottish journalists adopt a supine attitude to all things Rangers. I honestly don't know I suspect its a combination of all the above. What the Fifth Estate have totally underestimated, if not completely ignored is the power and importance of non-Rangers supporters in Scotland. This is self-evident, in their inability to comprehend the anger and disgust of many of the supporters of Scotland's thirty seven other football clubs as this saga has played out. So essentially what we are being told from the media is just accept your role as bit players in the mighty Rangers story and shut up. To those journalists and others who have peddled this line down the years, I'm afraid its time to face reality, the world that is Scottish football must undergo change or die.

[Waxy]

Couldn't the SPL just stop the split?
When FC Sevco go to the 3rd div,Couldn't the SPL restructure for more matches?
More matches=more money
Surely this would go a long way to equalizing annual income from the loss of Sevco?

I know it makes for a long season for the players but hey,they get well payed.

Makes sense to me but maybe i'm missing something.

[ScottB]

I doubt there's time, it's going to screw with Dundee enough as it is to go from preparing for the 1st Division to being tossed into the SPL.

[lapsedhibee]

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If any action is taken over the exposing of Rangers blatant corruption it is with a few honourable exceptions,, despite the efforts of the media rather than because of them. The establishment media has lined up behind Rangers at every turn. Obviously, not wishing to upset the cozy status quo, in this country. It is impossible to give a definitive reason for this.

Don't think it's rocket surgery. Young, Traynor and the rest aren't journalists at all - they're just lazy *******s living in suits, churning out OF PR pap. Alex Thomson uncovered more in a couple of hours of becoming interested than those clowns managed in months. Simply by asking questions and finding things out, like what proper journalists do.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Don't think it's rocket surgery. Young, Traynor and the rest aren't journalists at all - they're just lazy *******s living in suits, churning out OF PR pap. Alex Thomson uncovered more in a couple of hours of becoming interested than those clowns managed in months. Simply by asking questions and finding things out, like what proper journalists do.

Rocket surgery
Lol

[WindyMiller]

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I think it was Michael Grant in The Herald.

Like McLaughlan, at the BBC, Grant has been a propagandist for the Huns and D&P since they went into admin.

[johnbc70]

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Of course, there is the other perspective on what comes out of all of this. Rangers are booted out/to Div 3, we rid our top league of the overwhelming majority of the inherent sectarianism, our media's views are reinvented, better distribution amongst clubs of TV money and commercial influence, increased competition, governance structures simplified and more transparent, greater fan influence. All of which = brighter future = more interest in the game. Won't happen overnight clearly - but I'm an optimist!

You are an optimist! I have a fear that in 3 or 4 years time we will be back to square one and little if any lessons will have been learnt. I really hope I am wrong though.

[Onion]

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The most sensible thing to do would be for the "gang of 10" to sit down and decide amongst themselves how they are going to vote and if more than 5 of them make it clear they will be voting no at the meeting then making a statement to declare that ALL clubs have reached the decision to not allow NewHuns to enter the SPL and therefore avoid the risk of some clubs voting yes and incurring the wrath of their own fans and the celtic boycotts on 4th July.

makes complete sense. Any else is suicide for the clubs that vote for the Newco.

[WhileTheChief..]

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If any action is taken over the exposing of Rangers blatant corruption it is with a few honourable exceptions,, despite the efforts of the media rather than because of them. The establishment media has lined up behind Rangers at every turn. Obviously, not wishing to upset the cozy status quo, in this country. It is impossible to give a definitive reason for this. Whether it is due to centuries of sectarian attitudes being acceptable in Scotland, if often with a nod and a wink. Was it simply the fact that one clubs overweening ambition and arrogance, coupled with their reputed financial power, made Scottish journalists adopt a supine attitude to all things Rangers. I honestly don't know I suspect its a combination of all the above. What the Fifth Estate have totally underestimated, if not completely ignored is the power and importance of non-Rangers supporters in Scotland. This is self-evident, in their inability to comprehend the anger and disgust of many of the supporters of Scotland's thirty seven other football clubs as this saga has played out. So essentially what we are being told from the media is just accept your role as bit players in the mighty Rangers story and shut up. To those journalists and others who have peddled this line down the years, I'm afraid its time to face reality, the world that is Scottish football must undergo change or die.

The problem with believing that though is that you are basically agreeing with the Celtic hordes that have bleated on about perceived injustices against them for decades.

What you're saying may be true of a couple of journos from the Record or Sun, but overall I think the coverage has been relatively fair. It's only natural that they report on the loudest voices and those are all coming from Rangers mouthpieces.

If Peter Lawell was screaming from the rooftops for Rangers to be booted to div 3 then the reporting in the Record from Traynor etc would be entirely different.

[ScottB]

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The problem with believing that though is that you are basically agreeing with the Celtic hordes that have bleated on about perceived injustices against them for decades.

What you're saying may be true of a couple of journos from the Record or Sun, but overall I think the coverage has been relatively fair. It's only natural that they report on the loudest voices and those are all coming from Rangers mouthpieces.

If Peter Lawell was screaming from the rooftops for Rangers to be booted to div 3 then the reporting in the Record from Traynor etc would be entirely different.

Don't forget the length of time they sat on this story, never mind Craigy Whyte's off the radar billions, the never, ever question just where Murray got his cash from to fund a decade of insane spending. Even the coverage of the admin process, sticking to the party line about whichever bidder, about how the CVA would pass, attacking anyone who dared suggest they deserve to go to SFL3 and start again. Yes, the Celtic fans go way over the top with their paranoia, but like most paranoia it stems from reality. If the last few months have taught us anything, it's that the system in this country will bend over backwards for Rangers.

There have been a couple journos who have tried to report this story as actual journalists; step on down Alex Thomson and Mark Daly. What investigative journalism have the Chick Young's and Jim Traynor's done? Men who seemed to have no shortage of sources or exclusives on Rangers during the good times suddenly fell silent. I remember Traynor cutting calls on his Sportsound phone in if they dared suggest Murray had any responsibility for the clubs current state.

We don't have a free and effective press in this country, certainly when it comes to sport. They have as large a role in this mess as anyone outwith Murray, Whyte and their cronies. An effective, functioning press would have been asking the proper questions years ago that would have stopped this from getting to this stage! Guess they were all too busy feasting on the succulent lamb

[joe breezy]

Rangers trying to buy Bury and take their place in England...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...sh-club-904611

[Eyrie]

Bury is just outside Manchester. I'm sure the Huns will be welcomed back to that neighbourhood.

[joe breezy]

Web site up and running already, looks like this story has legs

http://www.buryrangers.co.uk/








Arf

[Hank Schrader]

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Rangers trying to buy Bury and take their place in England...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...sh-club-904611

More press b*lls**t. Absolutely no danger that will happen.

[lapsedhibee]

All for that, the sooner the better.

[WhileTheChief..]

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Don't forget the length of time they sat on this story, never mind Craigy Whyte's off the radar billions, the never, ever question just where Murray got his cash from to fund a decade of insane spending. Even the coverage of the admin process, sticking to the party line about whichever bidder, about how the CVA would pass, attacking anyone who dared suggest they deserve to go to SFL3 and start again. Yes, the Celtic fans go way over the top with their paranoia, but like most paranoia it stems from reality. If the last few months have taught us anything, it's that the system in this country will bend over backwards for Rangers.

There have been a couple journos who have tried to report this story as actual journalists; step on down Alex Thomson and Mark Daly. What investigative journalism have the Chick Young's and Jim Traynor's done? Men who seemed to have no shortage of sources or exclusives on Rangers during the good times suddenly fell silent. I remember Traynor cutting calls on his Sportsound phone in if they dared suggest Murray had any responsibility for the clubs current state.

We don't have a free and effective press in this country, certainly when it comes to sport. They have as large a role in this mess as anyone outwith Murray, Whyte and their cronies. An effective, functioning press would have been asking the proper questions years ago that would have stopped this from getting to this stage! Guess they were all too busy feasting on the succulent lamb

Are Young and Traynor meant to be investigative journoulists though? I thought they were just football hacks that report on games

It bugs me how much importance people seem to give to the likes of them though.They are nothing. They have got no influence over anybody of any substance in the Scottish game.

[Topographic Hibby]

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Rangers trying to buy Bury and take their place in England...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...sh-club-904611

Yes the increased travel costs, accommodation and general hassle of getting from Glasgow to Bournemouth, Crawley and Yeovil etc are so much easier than those long haul journeys to take on Clyde or Queens Park. Not to mention that Green will have to raise CASH to BUY Bury.

Jeez-O, this Green guy is making Whyte, Murray and Co look like real astute business types!!

TH

[Spike Mandela]

More press bull**** stories to get SPL to buckle and submit to the establishment world order. Pathetic.

[ScottB]

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Are Young and Traynor meant to be investigative journoulists though? I thought they were just football hacks that report on games

It bugs me how much importance people seem to give to the likes of them though.They are nothing. They have got no influence over anybody of any substance in the Scottish game.

Well rightly or wrongly they are the most prominent, or among the most prominent commentators on the Scottish game. When the press turn to these Rangers PR mouthpieces instead of their business or other, more capable journalists to report this story, then yes, they are a factor.