Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[CropleyWasGod]

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The players had a contract with Glasgow Rangers, a company which doesn't exist anymore, therefore their contracts are now null and void. Yes they can offer the same contracts but these players will now be free agents and can move when ever they like.

1. the old company does still exist.

2. the employments can be transferred. The players are not free agents.

[jgl07]

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1. the old company does still exist.

2. the employments can be transferred. The players are not free agents.

The contracts do transfer on the same terms but as it followed an insolvency event, the employees have to right to opt out.

They can become free agents if they wish.

[CropleyWasGod]

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The contracts do transfer on the same terms but as it followed an insolvency event, the employees have to right to opt out.

They can become free agents if they wish.

Yes, I agree. The default position is transfer, which is what I was disagreeing with the previous poster on. At present, they are not "free agents".

On that point, have the SPFA said anything?

[Bighoose]

On twitter...
Tom English ‏@TomEnglishSport
Malcolm Murray in the Sunday papers talking about SPL clubs having a "suicide pact" if they keep Rangers out. Not one for mincing his words

Newco. New Chairman. Same old pi$h.

[Part/Time Supporter]

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Yes, I agree. The default position is transfer, which is what I was disagreeing with the previous poster on. At present, they are not "free agents".

On that point, have the SPFA said anything?

http://pfascotland.co.uk/2012/news/p...tupe-position/

[jgl07]

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Yes, I agree. The default position is transfer, which is what I was disagreeing with the previous poster on. At present, they are not "free agents".

On that point, have the SPFA said anything?

They have certainly put out a statement that confirms the players rights to opt out. They clearly consulted employment lawyers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18446597

[CropleyWasGod]

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http://pfascotland.co.uk/2012/news/p...tupe-position/

Cheers for that.

So no fait accompli yet. The players won't be sure they want to move until they know what League they're in. Seems sensible to me.

And the longer the uncertainty remains, the more likely they are to take an offer from someone else.

Lovely

[magpie1892]

Source for latest bracketed info in headline? (fixture list)

[CentreLine]

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On the TV post-mortem the other night the tax expert on ITV said that the name of the newco could not be Rangers anything it had to be a completely new company and that the name “The Rangers Football Club” was simply a trading name not the name of the company. A flag of convenience if you like. That being the case, do we know what the real name of the new company actually is? I am certain we might want to include it in a song after all

So does nobody know what the real name of the new company is?

[Nuitdelune]

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Yes, I agree. The default position is transfer, which is what I was disagreeing with the previous poster on. At present, they are not "free agents".

On that point, have the SPFA said anything?

TUPE was designed to stop new owners getting rid of the old staff, to protect them and make sure the new owners inherited them, their terms, length of service etc. This is the reverse situation. They cannot be forced to transfer but will have to opt out though don't know when/how they do it without reading the legislation. Odd thing is--how does Charles Green not know this

[CropleyWasGod]

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TUPE was designed to stop new owners getting rid of the old staff, to protect them and make sure the new owners inherited them, their terms, length of service etc. This is the reverse situation. They cannot be forced to transfer but will have to opt out though don't know when/how they do it without reading the legislation. Odd thing is--how does Charles Green not know this

I'm sure he does know it, and will be doing his best to get the high-value players to stay. If he IS an asset-stripper, then it would make sense to offer those players inducements to transfer, with a promise to accept the first £xm offer that is made.

2-3 situations like that, and he's made money.

[down-the-slope]

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So does nobody know what the real name of the new company is?

SEVCO...come on man keep up..that was about 100 pages ago

[Nuitdelune]

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I'm sure he does know it, and will be doing his best to get the high-value players to stay. If he IS an asset-stripper, then it would make sense to offer those players inducements to transfer, with a promise to accept the first £xm offer that is made.

2-3 situations like that, and he's made money.

That is true but why go on the telly making statements that are not correct, might fool the player but not the agent. I wondered whether fixed term employees/football players are different, though surely can't be so.

[CropleyWasGod]

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That is true but why go on the telly making statements that are not correct, might fool the player but not the agent. I wondered whether fixed term employees/football players are different, though surely can't be so.

Not according to the SPFA's statement.

[Nuitdelune]

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Not according to the SPFA's statement.

And of course must factor in that some of them would be 'feart' not to go in case they were not still with Rangers, The Rangers, Any Rangers...

[jgl07]

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I'm sure he does know it, and will be doing his best to get the high-value players to stay. If he IS an asset-stripper, then it would make sense to offer those players inducements to transfer, with a promise to accept the first £xm offer that is made.

2-3 situations like that, and he's made money.

But why would a high value player who was aware that he was going to be punted ofr a profit not simply opt out and negotiate as a free agent and have the transfer sum as a signing on fee.

The players who will be keen to move are those who would have problems finding a new club, at least on their current wages.

Let's face it the likes of Naismith, Whittakar, Wallace, and McGregor are not going to play Division Three. I expect they will be away as soon as the position is more clear.

If Rangers are due to be bumped they need to pretty well clear out most of the senior staff and will be reliant on the youth team.

Until such time as Green sells out, cash will be very short as there will be next to no season ticket money forthcoming so there may be no option.

[jgl07]

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That is true but why go on the telly making statements that are not correct, might fool the player but not the agent. I wondered whether fixed term employees/football players are different, though surely can't be so.

Because he is an ignorant Yorkshire buffoon?

[Nuitdelune]

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Because he is an ignorant Yorkshire buffoon?

[HFC 0-7]

Reading the article on the Bbc website about the sfa getting involved to restructure the leagues, they say they are doing it to distribute wealth better and stop the rangers situation happening again. Seems strange that because the rangers situation was sheer greed on their part, they weren't happy spending on par with Celtic and considerably more than the rest, so distributing wealth more fairly wont stop a team insisting to spend more than they can afford. I think they are just doing it to make sure they can let rangers back into one of the leagues.

[Col2]

I can't be the only person is sick and tired of the whole saga.

Yes Rangers are no more and they are replaced by The Rangers. This will run and run and run.

The thing that gets me in all of this and is rarely mentioned on here, by pundits, the media etc etc..... Is.....Rangers FC CAUSED this, they are FULLY ACCOUNTABLE for the mess and the disruption to the league, the other clubs, supporters and the image of Scottish Football.

Despite all this I have seen ZERO humility shown by anyone with any kind of association with RFC. David Murray, Craig Whyte, Charles Green, Ally McCoist, Sandy Jardine, Gordon Smith, Rangers Supporters Assxociations and every single rangers fan I have spoken to.

At best you get a 'I know we were in the wrong BUT *insert 101 excuse and blame of someone else*.

The irony for us is that we have run a tight ship for last 7 years or so much to the pain on the park. Now we need to rebuild our squad and I can't think anything other than Fenlons budget will be restricted by those fans including me who refuse to renew for next season while this rumbles on.

Really sad sad state of affairs when only two people who fans are giving credit to over last 4 months is Channel 4 journalist and blogger and BBC Panarama journalist.

[Jack]

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So does nobody know what the real name of the new company is?

Zombiehuns, for goodness sake keep up here;-)

[Hibby Hippy]

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Source for latest bracketed info in headline? (fixture list)

Only thing i can find is this.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/106461-...-fixture-list/

[Dashing Bob S]

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On twitter...
Tom English ‏@TomEnglishSport
Malcolm Murray in the Sunday papers talking about SPL clubs having a "suicide pact" if they keep Rangers out. Not one for mincing his words

Newco. New Chairman. Same old pi$h.

Which we're a lot less inclined to put up with now. So this tiresome arrogant chest-beating/threatening, might just be a gross miscalculation. I only hope that the SPL chairmen's responses are as unequivocal.

[iwasthere1972]

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So does nobody know what the real name of the new company is?

Rumour is that it will


Taxus Rangers

[HibbyRod]

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TUPE was designed to stop new owners getting rid of the old staff, to protect them and make sure the new owners inherited them, their terms, length of service etc. This is the reverse situation. They cannot be forced to transfer but will have to opt out though don't know when/how they do it without reading the legislation. Odd thing is--how does Charles Green not know this

Crazy really!!!

[Lungo--Drom]

It was the Daily Telegraph I read it in. Quite a long article.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9335076/Rangers-to-be-excluded-from-SPL-fixture-list.html

I was gonna drive up there and pee on the top but my missus wouldn't lend me her car :(

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Only thing i can find is this.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/106461-...-fixture-list/

[Jim44]

This sums up where they all think they are at -

"The club didn't die - it simply shed itself of all sorts of debts it could never pay in one fell swoop. The club is now debt free and will probably end up playing in the SPL next year: the club is stronger now than it has been for some time."

Laughable, but, sadly, the last two statements aren't too far off the mark.

[blackpoolhibs]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/footbal...6908-21751069/

Which is it Walter, Scottish football will die with or without you, i'm a little confused?

[hibbyfrankie]

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...sion-1-2359952

So we don't get a larger league and the newco drop 1 division debt free. Somehow it doesn't feel right.

[ScottB]

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http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...sion-1-2359952

So we don't get a larger league and the newco drop 1 division debt free. Somehow it doesn't feel right.

At which point Livingston and the clubs that lost the SFL2 and 3 playoffs immediately launch legal action.

Honestly, they have just about found a gap in the rules to justify weaselling them back into the SPL, but how the hell do they find a reason to put them in the first division? It's an utter nonsense.