Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[SteveHFC]

CHARLES GREEN last night warned SPL rivals: Boot out Rangers and you will KILL our game.

Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...#ixzz1xcrW3BWn

[DH1875]

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The Scotsman's predictions on the vote:

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...ight-1-2351524

Going by that we've only got 4 votes .

[Togs91]

Lets just hope that if the newco ARE voted back into the spl, that there is enough uproar to send that cheating git doncaster packing with a boot mark up his erse!

[1875godsgift]

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CHARLES GREEN last night warned SPL rivals: Boot out Rangers and you will KILL our game.

Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...#ixzz1xcrW3BWn

OUR GAME!?

So how long have you been interested in our game?

How much have you invested in OUR GAME at grassroots level?

£100 million of unpaid tax would have made a hell of a lot more difference to the lives of underprivileged children rather than funding the fat cats who have EBT benefited enough already. ( Murray Ogilvie, Sounness take note )

[Mibbes Aye]

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This maybe controversial but would keeping them in the SPL be such a bad thing.......I'm starting to think that SFL3 wouldn't be as bad as some people may think for them. If you think about it, and assuming they retain Ibrox and the rest of the assets, they're going to steamroller the lower leagues, they'll spend just enough to make sure they walk it, hundreds of thousands as opposed to millions of pounds on wages, all the time gathering in around £15m in season ticket sales and more in renewed sponsorship deals. It would be business as usual within four years with a war chest at the ready.

Personally I'd like to see them stay in the SPL but be held responsible for every penny of debt they've managed to rack up, a payment plan put in place, the Euro ban still being imposed and somehow the transfer embargo re-instated.

RFC......The whipping boys of the SPL...........that's the stuff dreams are made of.

P.S and they chuck in a free slap, without prosecution, at Barry the crab, Mark Hately, Sally, Peter Lovenkrands, Barry the crab again, Ian Black (yup I know he's not a hun but he has been linked) McGregor, McGregor, McGregor and Barry the crab again

Let's face it, if justice means anything it has to be seen to be fair and above petty personal prejudice.

And I think you've called it just about right there

[Part/Time Supporter]

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This maybe controversial but would keeping them in the SPL be such a bad thing.......I'm starting to think that SFL3 wouldn't be as bad as some people may think for them. If you think about it, and assuming they retain Ibrox and the rest of the assets, they're going to steamroller the lower leagues, they'll spend just enough to make sure they walk it, hundreds of thousands as opposed to millions of pounds on wages, all the time gathering in around £15m in season ticket sales and more in renewed sponsorship deals. It would be business as usual within four years with a war chest at the ready.

Personally I'd like to see them stay in the SPL but be held responsible for every penny of debt they've managed to rack up, a payment plan put in place, the Euro ban still being imposed and somehow the transfer embargo re-instated.

RFC......The whipping boys of the SPL...........that's the stuff dreams are made of.

P.S and they chuck in a free slap, without prosecution, at Barry the crab, Mark Hately, Sally, Peter Lovenkrands, Barry the crab again, Ian Black (yup I know he's not a hun but he has been linked) McGregor, McGregor, McGregor and Barry the crab again

That isn't an option, because they are literally setting up a new company, which isn't liable for Rangers debts. It's either let them in debt free or kick them out. The only way to effectively punish them is to kick them out. If they manage to get their act together and earn the right to play in the SPL again, fair enough.

[Lucius Apuleius]

If they are allowed to stay in the SPL with the previous sanctions imposed the probability is they would finish in the bottom 6. Where would this put the much trumpeted (but I have never seen confirmed) TV clause that says there must be 4 Rantic games?

[Spike Mandela]

Jim Traynor really has become Apologist in Chief for the Rangers cause..........

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/footbal...6908-23895126/


“A newco will have to shoulder the responsibility and possibly even the punishments of the old company if they want the licences to play.”
Yet outside, in the real world, a newco would have a clean slate but in Scottish football’s parallel universe corporate and civil laws don’t always apply.
And when they do it’s only to suit the authorities’ agendas."

No outrage at the tax avoidance, no outrage the sporting advantage gained and no outrage at the sheer enormity of this clubs scandal and lack of acceptance of guilt.Certainly no case put for simplythe fact that the right thing has to be seen to be done.

Outrage though at Rangers not getting a free ride and a sly dig at the authoities 'agenda' and a clear ignoring of the asset stripping agenda of Charles Green.

The campaign is on full throttle now to get Rangers an easy route back in. Sickening

[HibeeMG]

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Jim Traynor really has become Apologist in Chief for the Rangers cause..........

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/footbal...6908-23895126/


“A newco will have to shoulder the responsibility and possibly even the punishments of the old company if they want the licences to play.”
Yet outside, in the real world, a newco would have a clean slate but in Scottish football’s parallel universe corporate and civil laws don’t always apply.
And when they do it’s only to suit the authorities’ agendas."

No outrage at the tax avoidance, no outrage the sporting advantage gained and no outrage at the sheer enormity of this clubs scandal and lack of acceptance of guilt.Certainly no case put for simplythe fact that the right thing has to be seen to be done.

Outrage though at Rangers not getting a free ride and a sly dig at the authoities 'agenda' and a clear ignoring of the asset stripping agenda of Charles Green.

The campaign is on full throttle now to get Rangers an easy route back in. Sickening

I understand what he's saying.

What he doesn't seem to realise is that you cannot compare a NewCo within football to a NewCo in 'the real world'.

A NewCo in everyday life would more than likely have hurdles which Rangers will not. For instance, Rangers, when they emerge as a new entity will have a 'loyal' customer base all ready and willing to purchase their product. A normal NewCo would have lost most, if not all of it's customers.

[Spike Mandela]

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I understand what he's saying.

What he doesn't seem to realise is that you cannot compare a NewCo within football to a NewCo in 'the real world'.

A NewCo in everyday life would more than likely have hurdles which Rangers will not. For instance, Rangers, when they emerge as a new entity will have a 'loyal' customer base all ready and willing to purchase their product. A normal NewCo would have lost most, if not all of it's customers.

Yes but the tone of ALL of Traynor's pieces during this scandal have portrayed Rangers as victims. This is patently not the case.

[HibeeMG]

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Yes but the tone of ALL of Traynor's pieces during this scandal have portrayed Rangers as victims. This is patently not the case.

I totally agree, he's been one of the worst hun-apologists in the media from the start.

I was just debating his reasoning.

[Biggie]

They are all the same, they'd sell their soul to sell newspapers...

[Seveno]

If oldco are put into liquidation before the SPL vote, then I do not see how 'Rangers' will get a vote on allowing newco into the SPL. How can a club that does not exist get a vote.

Am I missing something ?

If I am correct, please get a move on Hector.

[HH81]

How can they release the fixtures on Monday now

[Kato]

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How can they release the fixtures on Monday now

Because they think we are all mugs and treat us accordingly.

[GreenPJ]

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How can they release the fixtures on Monday now

I think they are right to release the fixtures. The season does not stop regardless of Rangers existence. Should they disappear they are replaced by someone else. It may mean tinkering with what were old firm games but other than that they should stand.

[Thecat23]

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How can they release the fixtures on Monday now

Its a strange one. The fixtures that will include Rangers are put in place so they don't clash with Celtic at home. If say Dundee were included instead, what happens if Rangers were meant to be at home to say Hibs but Dundee replace them and are at home to us on the same day Utd are too? I think they need to re think how they are going to work it all out.

[Jim44]

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I think they are right to release the fixtures. The season does not stop regardless of Rangers existence. Should they disappear they are replaced by someone else. It may mean tinkering with what were old firm games but other than that they should stand.

Some people are trying to say that the publishing of the fixtures will throw arrangements into chaos. What's the big deal? The SFA could borrow a laptop for a couple of hours and rearrange the whole thing with a few clicks of the mouse. This is not an issue.

[Bill Milne]

Without the Huns, the fixture list should be revisited to ensure a fairer allocation of fixtures for all clubs, not just arranged to suit the Bigot Brothers.

[Lucius Apuleius]

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Without the Huns, the fixture list should be revisited to ensure a fairer allocation of fixtures for all clubs, not just arranged to suit the Bigot Brothers.

Not quite understanding this mate. Care to elaborate? we are all allocated the same fixtures are we not?

[greenginger]

Just back from hols last night and a bit unclear on some issues.

Does Green's £ 5.5 Million get him Rangers property assets, Ibrox, Murray Park etc. or only the Club ?

[Jim44]

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Just back from hols last night and a bit unclear on some issues.

Does Green's £ 5.5 Million get him Rangers property assets, Ibrox, Murray Park etc. or only the Club ?

It appears he gets the whole shooting match but there is some difference of opinion about the status of player contracts

[Nazz]

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Its a strange one. The fixtures that will include Rangers are put in place so they don't clash with Celtic at home. If say Dundee were included instead, what happens if Rangers were meant to be at home to say Hibs but Dundee replace them and are at home to us on the same day Utd are too? I think they need to re think how they are going to work it all out.

An easy one to fix. Celtic and Rangers are in the same city, so replace them with Dundee and Dundee United in the fixture list. Then Celtic can take over the original Dundee United fixtures. Sorted!

What about fixture clashes if/when Rangers are in another league? OK, let's not go there...

[Biggie]

I must admit I dont get this...how can the liquidators not take Ibrox and Murray Park and sell to help pay the creditors ?.....surely if they have asset stripped rangers that's fraud, no ?.....'kin dont get it....seems the only penalty is they are being papped into div 3, and have to change their name...bigwow.....I want blood !

[joe breezy]

A real journalist speaks....(in 1976) Ian Archer - a true Jag

[StevieC]

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Its a strange one. The fixtures that will include Rangers are put in place so they don't clash with Celtic at home. If say Dundee were included instead, what happens if Rangers were meant to be at home to say Hibs but Dundee replace them and are at home to us on the same day Utd are too? I think they need to re think how they are going to work it all out.

Fixtures are easy to adjust. There are set formula to allow you to prevent home clashes for as many pairs of teams as you want. Dundee Utd could be paired with a team that isn't an issue (eg St Johnstone) and if Dundee are the team that replaces Rangers then St Johnstone take on Rangers fixtures and Dundee take on St Johnstones.

The only issue is how quickly they decide on the final league setup

[GreenPJ]

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A real journalist speaks....(in 1976) Ian Archer - a true Jag

I wonder what traynor and co would make of that.

[grunt]

Stream of consciousness reporting

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...#ixzz1xdIhsp1V

[Kato]

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Stream of consciousness reporting

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...#ixzz1xdIhsp1V

I don’t know if it’s Craig Whyte or whoever.


Whoever off course being Sir David Murray. Why do none of these ex-players just say so?

[ancienthibby]

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I don’t know if it’s Craig Whyte or whoever.

Whoever off course being Sir David Murray. Why do none of these ex-players just say so?

Patience, Kato, patience - it's all going to come out in the wash thanks to Hector!

And this thread will double in size as the new soap storyline unfolds week after week.

By opting for liquidation, Hector has opened the door for the liquidators (BDO) to pursue all Hunco directors over the past three years and I suspect that is something that BDO will already have been instructed about.

Can't wait for the result to be published tomorrow and watch a Securicor van pull out of the back entrance to Ipox with Duff and Duffer hiding inside while the BDO boys walk through the front door armed to the teeth with robust mandates.

There will be no easy sleeps for all the ex-Hunco directors and no hiding places either.