Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

**~~Saorsa~~** · 12-06-2012 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by brythehibby

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Im hearing all the 'im no going back if there voted in' chat and of course agree.

But say hibs vote to punt them and the rest of the clubs vote to keep them, is it justified to stop supporting hibs and stop going to games because of other clubs bottling it?

This decision is bigger than Hibs IMO, it's no about what Hibs dae, it's about what Scottish fitba does. Make the wrong decision and it'll be game over for many.

***blackpoolhibs*** · 12-06-2012 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by brythehibby

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Im hearing all the 'im no going back if there voted in' chat and of course agree.

But say hibs vote to punt them and the rest of the clubs vote to keep them, is it justified to stop supporting hibs and stop going to games because of other clubs bottling it?

As much as i do not want to hurt Hibs, i wont play poker if i know the games rigged, i wont watch a football league when the league is rigged.

I will find something else to do with my time and money.

**ekhibee** · 12-06-2012 06:40 PM

As regards whether Rangers, in their new form are allowed to enter the SPL? I know this has been discussed a bit on other threads, my personal opinion is that they should NOT be allowed back in to the SPL, but at the same time I'm just not convinced that the clubs will vote that way. I actually think Hearts will vote against Rangers getting back in (contrary to what some seem to think), I think we will vote the same way as them, but not sure about some of the other clubs. This is just my opinion of how it'll go, hope I'm wrong:

Hibs- No
Hearts- No
St Mirren- No
St Johnstone- No
Dundee Utd- Yes
Aberdeen- Yes
Kilmarnock- Yes
ICT- No
Celtic- Yes
Ross County/Dunfermline- No
Rangers- Yes
Motherwell- Yes

Not sure if Ross County now have a vote or Dunfermline still have one till the start of the new season. In my opinion (again) this would not be enough votes to prevent Rangers from re-entering the SPL. Celtic are a money orientated club, besides the bigotry, and even though all the Celtic fans I've spoken to think that Rangers should be demoted, don't think their board will vote that way. I've seen Thompson of DU speaking on the tv a few times about this, and not at all convinced that he would back a 'No' vote. Milne of Aberdeen has been in the local papers saying to the fans that he must do what is in the best interests of the club..hmm. Kilmarnock are skint and I really don't think they will vote No. That's just some of the opinions I have, and obviously I haven't covered all the clubs, and for all I know I might be totally wrong about this, it would just be interesting to hear other peoples opinion on it.

***Spike Mandela*** · 12-06-2012 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Desperate Dan

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This decision is bigger than Hibs IMO, it's no about what Hibs dae, it's about what Scottish fitba does. Make the wrong decision and it'll be game over for many.

Ultimately it is now out of Rangers' hands.

If they are rejected by the SPL they have to take it on the chin and start in SFL 3.

However if the other chairmen vote them in then no blame can be levelled at Rangers. The chairmen of the other clubs have the power to decide what happens. If they vote Rangers in to the SPL, even with sanctions, then they are letting Rangers get away with a massive scandal but all fury should be directed at the club chairmen and not Rangers.

Personally I don't think we have club chaimen of the required backbone and integrity in the SPL to do what is right.

**leither17** · 12-06-2012 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

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As much as i do not want to hurt Hibs, i wont play poker if i know the games rigged, i wont watch a football league when the league is rigged.

I will find something else to do with my time and money.

Exactly my thoughts too this is bigger than hibs voting no for me

**ehf** · 12-06-2012 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

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As much as i do not want to hurt Hibs, i wont play poker if i know the games rigged, i wont watch a football league when the league is rigged.

I will find something else to do with my time and money.

That's it exactly. Only blind loyalty keeps us investing in a substandard product year after year but the minute that product becomes tainted by corruption, that's the end. I would prefer to finally buy a Sky subscription and get my football there.

***tamig*** · 12-06-2012 06:48 PM

One for the finance and legal gurus.

I can't understand how this can result in Green getting his hands on the assets for a pittance. How does this stand in relation to the major creditors? Can they not insist through the courts that the assets are sold for market value with the cash raised being used to pay back the hun debt - or a portion of it at least?

***brythehibby*** · 12-06-2012 06:49 PM

I agree desperate dan, but i personally wouldnt stop going if we voted them out. What more could our club realistically do than vote them out.

Blackpool - fair do's. Im not saying either going or not going is right or wrong.

Im hoping none of us are faced with the question to stop going but i cant help feel the smaller clubs will see the £££ signs and keep them in.

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**HibbyDave** · 12-06-2012 06:50 PM

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As much as i do not want to hurt Hibs, i wont play poker if i know the games rigged, i wont watch a football league when the league is rigged.

I will find something else to do with my time and money.

THIS.

I work too hard to give my cash away in support of a league populated by two distubing organisations and others who are happy to take the cash and make up the numbers.

**DH1875** · 12-06-2012 06:52 PM

Hibs- No
Hearts- No
St Mirren- Yes
St Johnstone- No
Dundee Utd- ??????
Aberdeen- ??????
Kilmarnock- Yes
ICT- Yes
Celtic- No
Ross County/Dunfermline- Yes
Rangers- Yes
Motherwell- Yes

That leaves us needing a no vote from either Utd or the Sheep. Not sure how either of them will vote.

**Since90+2** · 12-06-2012 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by DH1875

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Hibs- No
Hearts- No
St Mirren- Yes
St Johnstone- No
Dundee Utd- ??????
Aberdeen- ??????
Kilmarnock- Yes
ICT- Yes
Celtic- No
Ross County/Dunfermline- Yes
Rangers- Yes
Motherwell- Yes

That leaves us needing a no vote from either Utd or the Sheep. Not sure how either of them will vote.

Aberdeen will vote no.

**leither17** · 12-06-2012 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by DH1875

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Hibs- No
Hearts- No
St Mirren- Yes
St Johnstone- No
Dundee Utd- ??????
Aberdeen- ??????
Kilmarnock- Yes
ICT- Yes
Celtic- No
Ross County/Dunfermline- Yes
Rangers- Yes
Motherwell- Yes

That leaves us needing a no vote from either Utd or the Sheep. Not sure how either of them will vote.

Sure the united chairman was making noises last week that sporting integrity was the way forward

**JohnStephens91** · 12-06-2012 06:57 PM

Hibs, Aberdeen, Celtic and Dundee United will vote no. Hearts will vote to keep them in due to their problems with money. Not sure who else would send the Huns packing.

**jgl07** · 12-06-2012 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by leither#1

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Sure the united chairman was making noises last week that sporting integrity was the way forward

He did say that Rangers would have to negotiate their way into the League.

Maybe the concessions many are looking for will be too much for Charles Green to accept.

**DH1875** · 12-06-2012 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by leither#1

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Sure the united chairman was making noises last week that sporting integrity was the way forward

That's why I'm unsure how they will vote. Up till then they would have been a stick on yes for me.

***BigKev*** · 12-06-2012 07:00 PM

I can see Hibs, the other lot, Celtic and Dundee Utd voting no. Hopefully with Aberdeen thrown in as well. The rest I would imagine will look at it from the money side of things. Still that's enough to say no to the Newhun.

**Andy74** · 12-06-2012 07:01 PM

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But the vote will just be a yes or no, it won't be multiple choice, based on sanctions.

The SPL recently said they will review sanctions for new cos on a case by case basis. The vote will be based on a negotiated position.

Note the Utd chairman recently commenting that they will need to negotiate and it would not be a simple yes or no.

**SonOfTortolano** · 12-06-2012 07:03 PM

There is no way that the sheep fans would want thm back in the SPL.

**murray26** · 12-06-2012 07:03 PM

I'm not convinced Celtic will vote no! they no winning the league so easily coupled by no old frim games would lead to apathy.

***Kato*** · 12-06-2012 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

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As much as i do not want to hurt Hibs, i wont play poker if i know the games rigged, i wont watch a football league when the league is rigged.

I will find something else to do with my time and money.

If some knd of reconstituted Hun is allowed back into the SPL Hibs should ask to join the Conference down South. If it can be shown we are in a corrupt set-up why wouldn't FIFA listen?

**bongo'd** · 12-06-2012 07:10 PM

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Hibs- No
Hearts- No
St Mirren- Yes
St Johnstone- No
Dundee Utd- ??????
Aberdeen- ??????
Kilmarnock- Yes
ICT- Yes
Celtic- No
Ross County/Dunfermline- Yes
Rangers- Yes
Motherwell- Yes

That leaves us needing a no vote from either Utd or the Sheep. Not sure how either of them will vote.

May seem a tad strange to some but I'm not so sure that Celtic will vote no especially if who voted which way is not revealed in the public domain. For all Peter Lawell's bluster and the pandering to their support he knows that he will lose masses of revenue without der hun.

Unfortunately I'm in the camp that if a newco Huns is a allowed to compete in next seasons SPL then it's ta ta from me. Why should we be expected to spend our hard earned when it will have been proven without any shadow of a doubt that Scottish fitba is corrupt to the core.

**mcfly** · 12-06-2012 07:11 PM

How can rangers be allowed a vote? They don't exist so are not part of SPL.

**Andy74** · 12-06-2012 07:12 PM

By the way. What have Rangers been actually found guilty of so far?

Might be on the minds of Chairmen that they need to be proportionate and that might not be able to be based on some of the other stuff that is still being investigated.

**Andy74** · 12-06-2012 07:13 PM

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How can rangers be allowed a vote? They don't exist so are not part of SPL.

They do exist.

***Hibbyradge*** · 12-06-2012 07:14 PM

"We don't like the things you do and we will not remember you".

***Spike Mandela*** · 12-06-2012 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by tamig

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One for the finance and legal gurus.

I can't understand how this can result in Green getting his hands on the assets for a pittance. How does this stand in relation to the major creditors? Can they not insist through the courts that the assets are sold for market value with the cash raised being used to pay back the hun debt - or a portion of it at least?

Neither a financial or legal guru but the simple fact remains that Rangers and their assets have been for sale since the 14th Feb and this is the best offer they have received. Whilst we all know the true value of the assets they are ultimately only worth what someone is prepared to pay for them.

***Hibbyradge*** · 12-06-2012 07:16 PM

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Neither a financial or legal guru but the simple fact remains that Rangers and their assets have been for sale since the 14th Feb and this is the best offer they have received. Whilst we all know the true value of the assets they are ultimately only worth what someone is prepared to pay for them.

Their assets have never been put up for public sale.

The land Ibrox and Murray Park are on will be worth a lot more than what Green thinks he's going to pay.

***Leithenhibby*** · 12-06-2012 07:18 PM

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How can rangers be allowed a vote? They don't exist so are not part of SPL.

I asked this a few (good few) pages back and think that it is totally wrong

Originally Posted by Andy74

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They do exist.

For now, yes, but for how much longer

**HibeeMG** · 12-06-2012 07:20 PM

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Their assets have never been put up for public sale.

The land Ibrox and Murray Park are on will be worth a lot more than what Green thinks he's going to pay.

Exactly.

I've said it all along when answering that very statement: show me a picture of the For Sale signs outside Ibrox and Murray Park and I'll believe they're up for grabs.