Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Just Alf]

I just wonder what the Hun "fans" are thinking.... They've driven their own club to the brink of extinction by their own behaviour .... Justice or what!!!!!

[EuanH78]

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Liquidiation would result in a Newco, surely? Not a hope in Hell they won't be around in some form next year, and most likely still stinking out the SPL.

Yes a NewCo but not without the staggeringly corrupt 'incubator' company. One bought from the pile of ashes that will be Rangers F.C - a different proposition altogether I suggest..

[EuanH78]

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Miller and Rangers, Bet.

Rod and Co, Check.

Miller and Rangers, Fold!

[Seveno]

We might see Miller back post-liquidation trying to pick up the assets at a knock down price.

[Just Alf]

Quote from Huns forums

"it's like u see light at the end of the tunnel then some fat chick jumps out of the dark"

The rest is all their usual drivel :-)

[WindyMiller]

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They would need to find a new home south of the border

Stockport?

[stokesmessiah]

Just seen this on Pie & Bovril..http://thefootballlife.tumblr.com/po...eltic-question

Thoughts?

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Last night, I tweeted about a rumour I’d heard. The rumour is the following:
After the Hearts game, Celtic will announce their intention to resign from the SPL.
I’ve spent time since corroborating that rumour into something with a bit more substance behind it, but from the reaction in the twittersphere, the general feeling is “Thank goodness, but where next”. Which I hope to answer here.
Why would Celtic want to leave the SPL?
Firstly, Celtic are against a NewCo. This is now very clear. So far, according to a source at the club, Celtic have had in excess of 5,000 current season ticket holders contact them to say that they will not renew until a NewCo decision is made by the SPL and that the majority of these have stated that, should the NewCo be allowed direct entry to the SPL, they will not renew their season ticket at all.
That is well over 10% of Celtic’s season ticket holders who have taken the time and effort to tell the club what they think about a NewCo. While some of it may be bluster, there is likely to be a large amount of people who think the same thing but simply haven’t, at this point, contacted the club. And it’s a figure that’s gotten the board worried. That would take almost £200k per home game out of the clubs finances (over £3m per season) which is considered far too much to lose.
Why now?
Yesterday’s delayed vote has firmed the resolve of everyone in the game. They believe that a NewCo will be formed before the vote on 28th May. They believe that this will mean a NewCo will be allowed into the SPL without punishment. Even if neither of these come true before that point, Neil Doncaster has publicly stated the vote will be on a rule change, not a share transfer, meaning it only needs an 8-4 split to pass, not a 10-2 split. In addition, potential allies for Celtic in voting down the changes in the now-relegated Dunfermline, have been prevented from voting.
Quite simply, now is the point of no return. This course has been set upon by Celtic as they have no faith in the competency of Neil Doncaster or the honesty of the other clubs as they have started to indicate which way they will vote already.
What will happen?
One of two things - either the SPL will cave in and stop NewCo entry (without it having to get to a vote) to appease Celtic or they won’t?
If they do?
Then Celtic will retract their threat to leave and continue to play in the SPL, albeit vastly more influential than they were before this situation. Rangers will have to start from SFL 3.
If they don’t?
There are many possibilities if this threat is ignored. Firstly, more clubs may join Celtic in resigning from the league. If Celtic can get a couple of clubs to join them, then they can set up a breakaway league which, commercially, would be more viable than the current SPL.
Secondly, other clubs may not join them. This means Celtic have 2 seasons to devise an exit strategy or retract their resignation. Possible exit strategies would include the share transfer of a Club in an existing league to Celtic (exactly what Rangers plan to do in the SPL, except to another FA) in which case they are likely to take on the highest placed club likely to liquidate (Portsmouth would be prime candidates, but Celtic would have plenty of options) or just plain joining another league (Portugal are considering expansion - would Celtic’s commercial attraction be enough to sway that debate? After all, if Celtic are OK with UEFA to hop to England, then that must apply elsewhere).
The next option would be to call in UEFA - Celtic have a voice there and would be prepared to use it as a last resort (as likely UEFA would place sanctions against all clubs, punishing Celtic as well as the rest of the SPL)
Even if they ended up simply retracting their resignation, while there would be a loss of face, it would be enough to shock the SPL into reform.
How likely is it to work?
It is considered to be very likely to work, verging on definite. In the space of 2 seasons, Rangers NewCo will not be challenging for trophies so the commercial benefit to the league of their presence is likely to be minimal. Taking away Celtic, who would at that point be the undisputed major force in Scottish football, driving revenues and performance in Europe, would send many clubs into administration as there would be no alternative to Celtic’s revenues (no Celtic 2).
Secondly, the humiliation to the league of having the reigning champions simply walk out of the league would kill the game in Scotland. There would be no comeback to that - the second the SPL winners flag and trophy was unveiled at a Celtic game in another league, the SPL would be dead. It would cease to have any relevance and Scottish football as a whole would be a joke worldwide.
Finally, if clubs are worried about revenues without one of the Old Firm, imagine what they will be like if they think that allowing Rangers NewCo back in will cost them Celtic.
What do Celtic want?
Rangers NewCo to start from Division 3. That’s all
What will the other clubs think?
The debate so far has been commercial interests vs sporting integrity. With Celtic’s ultimatum, the debate changes to Rangers vs Sporting Integrity and commercial interests. This should be enough to sway the vote against Rangers.
Finally, how credible is this?
Very. It has been known that this option was on the table by members of the media for some time, but has not been published as a) nothing concrete was there and b) it is in their interests for Rangers to be in the SPL so they are unlikely to report it anyway. The SPL’s procrastination has, however, forced Celtic’s hand.
I will leave you to make your own mind up about the possibilities forthwith, but the fact is that this changes the game beyond all recognition. Yesterday we woke to “How to force Rangers into the SPL”, today it’s “How to stop Celtic from leaving it”.

[down-the-slope]

Just what I predicted - Buffalo Bill would do 'walking away' :)
It now means that liquidation is a certainty - the dumplings D&P can allow them to trade with no cashflow - its illegal.

So that means the HISTORY will die - for me that really is the ultimate punishment and no more than they deserve.

We all know that once th assets are picked up by tge vultures they will be back some way / somehow....but no cups/titles/stars on shirts/ etc etc - maybe this is the way that bigitory will be broken.

The transfer ban must be upheld and other punishment given 'without fear or favour'. There is now the chance for other clubs to fill the void till they regenerate - and let's see how many will be filling Ibrox with no silverware

[green is good]

Exclusive footage of Bill Miller moments after seeing the Rangers books

[ScottB]

Interesting if that really is Celtic's stand. I would support Hibs resigning along with them in that situation.

[camhibby1]

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Just what I predicted - Buffalo Bill would do 'walking away' :)
It now means that liquidation is a certainty - the dumplings D&P can allow them to trade with no cashflow - its illegal.

So that means the HISTORY will die - for me that really is the ultimate punishment and no more than they deserve.

We all know that once th assets are picked up by tge vultures they will be back some way / somehow....but no cups/titles/stars on shirts/ etc etc - maybe this is the way that bigitory will be broken.

The transfer ban must be upheld and other punishment given 'without fear or favour'. There is now the chance for other clubs to fill the void till they regenerate - and let's see how many will be filling Ibrox with no silverware

This I hope is the best thing that comes out of their demise. The horrible, pernicious pervasive and invasive influence this club has had on so many people for so long makes me sick and we are well rid. It behoves Traynor and co and the west coast media to recognise the majority of people have moved on from this ghastly sectarian bile. What a warped mentality that wants to save that as 'proud history'. The result of post modernism is that assumed powers are all that they are - assumed. There are no absolutes and that goes for RFC's stinking rotten history. Let it rot and be forever buried and in time forgotten.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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Exclusive footage of Bill Miller moments after seeing the Rangers books

can someone photoshop that 'scream' photo doing the rounds, with a hun top on ? :)

[Eyrie]

In two minds about the P&B post regarding Celtc.

On the one hand, it would appear that they are onside for ensuring the Huns take their punishment and start over in SD3.

On the other hand, it strikes me as Celtc propaganda that they can blackmail the other clubs, and raises the question of how they can get admission to England or elsewhere when UEFA have ruled out clubs transferring to a different country.

[HibeesLA]

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Just seen this on Pie & Bovril..http://thefootballlife.tumblr.com/po...eltic-question

they have no faith in .... the honesty of the other clubs as they have started to indicate which way they will vote already.

I'm not really sure I get that argument. They have no faith in the honesty of the other clubs for doing exactly what Celtic are doing in the above - indicating which way they'll vote.

[WindyMiller]

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Just what I predicted - Buffalo Bill would do 'walking away' :)
It now means that liquidation is a certainty - the dumplings D&P can allow them to trade with no cashflow - its illegal.

So that means the HISTORY will die - for me that really is the ultimate punishment and no more than they deserve.

We all know that once th assets are picked up by tge vultures they will be back some way / somehow....but no cups/titles/stars on shirts/ etc etc - maybe this is the way that bigitory will be broken.

The transfer ban must be upheld and other punishment given 'without fear or favour'. There is now the chance for other clubs to fill the void till they regenerate - and let's see how many will be filling Ibrox with no silverware

That will only happen if he "less bigotted" within the Rangers support decide to support their local teams.

[Just Alf]

Douglas Fraser‏@BBCDouglsFraser

Bill Miller adviser on #Rangers: "It would take a fairly large amount of money to keep it from dying."

[HFC 0-7]

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I suppose they have no income as of last weekend.

Apparently at the end of the EPL season they will get 1 million from Everton as part of the Jelavic deal. Sky Sports were reporting they run out of Money at the end of the month by which time all their players will be back to their old salaries.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i would like to start the ball rolling with a .net contribution to the hun fund





spend it wisely McCoist

mind ma change

[grunt]

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thoms...e-rangers/1406

“You sound a little bit sceptical,” said C4 News’ Krishnan Guru-Murthy to me last Thursday as I spoke to him live at Ibrox.
Well yes, I predicted then that Bill Miller’s takeover was just the latest wild gesture from the artistes of despair currently known as Rangers FC administrators Duff and Phelps.

After a bizarre day where press conference questions were banned and administrator Paul Clark walked out of my interview because he’d said they’d only done “some” due diligence on Bill Miller. I had expected more than “some” after the previous takeover fiascos at this club – and he realised it too late.

When those desperate to flog the financially-toxic club don’t mention by name any of the key creditors and shareholders, as they did not in their statement, you can feel the deal crashing all around you. All the while one key shareholder telling me this was going nowhere, that he’d been shut out – that other new deals out of sight would soon shove this nonsense aside.

Then Bill Miller openly abusing Craig Whyte from the US. Hardly tactically astute when Mr Whyte enjoys major shareholder status whatever your plan. Craig Whyte knew it, saw it, read it, failed to see the funny side dontcha know?

To cap it all a Glasgow tabloid then deciding the really smart thing is to start raking up the muck over Bill Miller’s marital situation, divorce and remarriage – would you want to come to Glasgow and spend millions? This – ladies and gentlemen – is just not how they do things among the country club set in Tennessee, nor Florida where Mr Miller has retired. Own goal – major own goal.
We don’t know how genuine the fans’ animosity was and I’ve yet to talk to Mr Miller but he at least says it was a major factor as well. And since so many RFC fans want demotion several divisions – though for various reasons – not the Miller Shiny Happy Rangers People, who can blame the guy?

Then there’s the taxman, for whom all this Newco/Oldco shenanigans will go down like a cup of proverbial. They were never brought in, never fully consulted and resented what appeared to be the administrators briefing anybody daft enough tio listen, that they had been consulted. I mean, why brief the media that the taxman had been a part of this then make no mention of the taxman in your public statement. Omnishambolic.

Neil Doncaster, the Scottish Premier League boss, has just been on to reassure me that it makes no difference to their 30 May meeting – postponed from yesterday – to deal with penalties for clubs who can’t manage their cash. He seemed pretty relieved frankly – at least one storm that it was all about shoehorning Bill Miller’s new Rangers back into Premier League football can blow itself out.

There’ll be plenty more, as he’d be first to acknowledge.

[tamig]

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They just don't get it, do they?

Taken from Follow Follow :

Why do they really want to punish the Rangers?

Some 140 years ago a football team came into existence that has since contributed enormously to the institution of Scottish football. Some 200 Rangers players have represented Scotland and over that time the name of Rangers has stood for all that has been good in the game. The standards set by the likes of Mr Struth and others in terms of sporting behaviour integrity and good grace has been the envy of many. Our supporters have filled the coffers of other Scottish clubs for years. There may in some minds be a shadow over Ibrox from our years of excluding Catholics but frankly they were perhaps less enlightened times were many of our detractors probably harboured their own prejudices on grounds of race sex or sexuality. What we don't have is a shadow over Ibrox of supporting terrorist organisations against British troops or a cover up of pedophilia. So this institution The Rangers, that has done more positive for the game than any other club in Scotland must now be punished. What for? Punished because one man, a crook and a charlatan has raped Rangers, punished because one man eluded the rigours of the SFA/SPL fit and proper person guidelines. For 140 years of great and distinguished service to the Scottish game, for bringing fame glory and enormous talent to this land, for generating significant economic benefit to Scotland as a whole as thousands pour in from NI and places further afield there is no thanks just punishment.
The Rangers have done nothing wrong, Craig Whyte the crooked one, has done the wrong here, and he has done the wrong not just to the Rangers but also to the rest of Scottish football.
Why are we being punished? Normal behaviour when an institution that is so very important to the culture and fabric not just of the Scottish game but the Scottish nation would be to rally round and support. Positive and supportive press would have without doubt led to greater interest in saving our great institution, more support from the game would also have helped and loyaly and gratitude from our legions would have poured forth. So why punish The Rangers, it makes no sense, morally, economically, or in the interests of sport in Scotland it makes no sense.
It's petty and vindictive, and we all know that when the Rangers come through this, and Rangers will, that institution will not seek revenge or payback, Rangers the club won't do that, but, our enemies need to know that if they cannot answer the question Why punish The Rangers? then we the legions that follow Rangers will pay them back ten fold.

All the sins of the cheating barstewards heaped on to one individual. This post of course was followed by assorted outpourings, citing, envy, jealousy and Sectarianism.

That made me cringe and laugh at the same time. You could almost hear Jonathan Watson's "Chick Young" on Only an Excuse reading that out.

[bighairyfaeleith]

Seen one of the ra people walking past the Edinburgh council HQ this afternoon. Rangers strip, rangers tracky bottoms, bottle of buckie in the hand and of course a union jack wrapped around his shoulders.

The queen must be so proud

[jgl07]

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In two minds about the P&B post regarding Celtc.

On the one hand, it would appear that they are onside for ensuring the Huns take their punishment and start over in SD3.

On the other hand, it strikes me as Celtc propaganda that they can blackmail the other clubs, and raises the question of how they can get admission to England or elsewhere when UEFA have ruled out clubs transferring to a different country.

Have they? They may say so put their actions do not really match that. It is a question if any such ban would withstand a legal challenge

There are the usual list of anomolies most of which arise where a country has no domestic league: Monaco in the French League, F C Valduz in the Swiss League. There are the Welsh teams that play in the English League system: Cardiff, Swansea, Wexham, Newport, Merthyr and the English team who play in Scotland: Berwick. OK they are all part of long-standing deals.

More recently, Derry were allowed to move from the Irish League to the League of Ireland. Gretna were allowed to move from the English League system to to the SFL not that long ago.

Strangly, Welsh Champions New Saints actually play in England in Oswestry. Chester play (mostly) in Wales.

UEFA believe in the national league system. Other federations are less concerned. There are Canadian team in the US League, a New Zealand team in the Australian League.

There has been suggestions that Celtic could replace Portsmouth in League One in the event of Pompey being liquidated. If the Football League wanted Celtic (a big if), I suspect that any UEFA veto would not stand up in the courts given the above anomolies.

It may be all bluff, but if it gets the right result, who cares?

[johnbc70]

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Apparently at the end of the EPL season they will get 1 million from Everton as part of the Jelavic deal. Sky Sports were reporting they run out of Money at the end of the month by which time all their players will be back to their old salaries.

Do they not still owe Rapid Vienna for some of his original fee? If so I hope UEFA step in and ensure Everton pay Rapid Vienna any monies due and if there is a balance left over then Rangers get that.

[bighairyfaeleith]

so if they get liquidated craig whyte could claim ibrox, murray park and start up his rangers 2012 company that he registered a few months back.

Whyte might not be finished with rangers yet??

[Just Alf]

more from Twitter on the muppet Hun supporters

James Cook‏@BBCJamesCook

Miller's adviser, Jon Pritchett, chief executive of Club 9 Sports: "Bill felt like it was a pretty unwelcoming environment." #Rangers #RFC

Bill Miller's adviser says the American was getting hundreds of "vitriol and expletive-filled" emails a day. #RFC #Rangers



Quality, they sure don't miss when shooting themselves in the foot

[SurferRosa]

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Exclusive footage of Bill Miller moments after seeing the Rangers books

[grunt]

What is this from the learned Graham Spiers? Is it sarcasm? Irony?

Graham Spiers‏@GrahamSpiersWhat a daft tool Bill Miller is. Rangers – as hopeless and undignified as this club now looks – are better off without him. Waste of space

[CropleyWasGod]

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so if they get liquidated craig whyte could claim ibrox, murray park and start up his rangers 2012 company that he registered a few months back.

Whyte might not be finished with rangers yet??

Don't see it that way. His security is worthless.

[Saorsa]

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i would like to start the ball rolling with a .net contribution to the hun fund





spend it wisely McCoist

mind ma change

I'll donate one of these, I'm feeling generous today

[bighairyfaeleith]

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Don't see it that way. His security is worthless.

whats his angle been then, unless he has pocketed a load of cash or was hoping he would get something for his shares I don't see what he has gained.

He bought the club for nowt, put nowt in and so it ran out of cash as it spends more than it takes in. He then puts it into administration (with help of the VAT man) and gets nothing as it ends up liquidated.

Surely we don't have the full picture yet???