Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[grunt]

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If someone else says "worldwide support" I'll scream!

Arrrghhh!!

[Ozyhibby]

90 min in and not one mention of dual contracts?

[magpie1892]

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look at what we took to Manchester". Indeed.

[grunt]

I think I've just been sick at the story of the wee boy.

Really, these fans are not on this planet, they're talking about being too big to play in the SPL. Words fail me.

Guess who said this? "I didn't know, I didn't know, I didn't know".

[Joe's ice cream]

Only got good in last few mins when Gordon Smith got challenged by a fan for not understanding what was happening at the club....talk about squirming

[green glory]

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Only got good in last few mins when Gordon Smith got challenged by a fan for not understanding what was happening at the club....talk about squirming

Apart from that it was 2 hours of my life I'll never get back. Total waste of time as well as more of our money (license fee) over and above the tax they've stolen. On a brighter note they're heads are stuck firmly in the sand and they can't see the reaper standing behind them. RIP

[CropleyWasGod]

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I think I've just been sick at the story of the wee boy.

Really, these fans are not on this planet, they're talking about being too big to play in the SPL. Words fail me.

Guess who said this? "I didn't know, I didn't know, I didn't know".

Ogilvie?

Smith?

Murray?

Johnson?

Bain?

Greig?

King?

[Springbank]

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Ogilvie?

Smith?

Murray?

Johnson?

Bain?

Greig?

King?

Reminds me of the Norwegian commentator. "…your boys took one helluva beating"

[grunt]

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Ogilvie?Smith?Murray?Johnson?Bain?Greig?King?

You've got it right - it was of course highly regarded one time Chief Executive of the mighty SFA, erstwhile Director of Football at RFC, answering questions from a Rangers fan about why he didn't question Whyte's tactics of not paying the tax man. I'm sure someone will put that exchange on YouTube before long. Dear oh dear oh dear.

[PaulSmith]

The Jeff Randell interview with the tax expert was better than with Murray.
Tax gadgie believes that hmrc have emails to agents from rfc which prove the ebt's were contractural and therefore taxable.

[grunt]

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I'm sure someone will put that exchange on YouTube before long.

I love the internet!

http://soundcloud.com/celticresearch...-smith/s-1lnXz

[NAE NOOKIE]

What a bloody Rangers love in that was.

I cant even begin to catalogue everything that was wrong with that programme.

In order to redress the balance they should do another broadcast lasting two hours with fans from the other 10 SPL clubs and ask us what we think the current situation is with Scottish football and the part Rangers and Celtic have played in bringing us to this point.

The whole of that programme was devoted to how we get Rangers back to a dominant place in Scottish football and competing with their bedfellows Celtic. The rest of the clubs didnt even get a mention, bit part players in a film dominated by its two main stars !!!

These bloody programmes always fail to address the decades old mindset which has got us to this point in the first place and that is reliance on money coming in from the OF to keep clubs afloat, a situation which to their shame our clubs have been happy to embrace. The whole next decade in our game should be dedicated to finding a way to remove all of our clubs from this idiotic scenario.

One of the guys speaking was on about how "we are unfairly seen as sectarian" .... does this deluded idiot not follow his club to ER then? was he not there this season when the whole crowd sang "whos the Finian in the black" at the Killie game?

And the final joke ..... Yet another deluded diatribe about joining the English leagues. These arrogant morons are on their bloody knees hoping against hope that they will avoid oblivion and they still talk about ( as they see it ) football Nirvana.

Unbelievable !!!

[CropleyWasGod]

Just found out that Smith said this last night:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17440413

That backs up my theory that CW's plan was all predicated on CL money.

Those pesky Swedes...

[Hibbyradge]

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43000 union jack flags to be sold prior to the OF game to try and raise funds. What a joke.

I don't understand what makes that a joke?

[magpie1892]

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I don't understand what makes that a joke?

That they're asking £2 for a little plastic flag costing a c.2p to make?
That if you're on the other side of the turnstile you've already made a significant financial contribution?
That selling 43,000 flags will gross £86,000 and net, if they sell every single one, c.£70,000 against a total debt of at least £40m and maybe £100m?

It's like when Dundee were £20m in debt they decided to sell 'Dee4Life' mineral water to raise funds. They cleared about a grand.

If I were a hun on average wage I'd be keeping my hands firmly in my pockets until the apocalypse, as it's simply throwing good money after bad at the moment until the BTC result is known and the sums all done. Nothing 'loyal' about *****ing £2 on a Union Jack (Scottish club, Rangers, no?), it's just stupid.

[greenginger]

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Just found out that Smith said this last night:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17440413

That backs up my theory that CW's plan was all predicated on CL money.

Those pesky Swedes...

They still had time to reduce their outgoings by selling high wage earners like Mcgregor, Davis Etc and balancing their books.

Of course, the best fans in the world would have been outraged at the prospect of their Club being run within its budget and might have

Walked Away !

[RyeSloan]

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What a bloody Rangers love in that was.

I cant even begin to catalogue everything that was wrong with that programme.

In order to redress the balance they should do another broadcast lasting two hours with fans from the other 10 SPL clubs and ask us what we think the current situation is with Scottish football and the part Rangers and Celtic have played in bringing us to this point.

The whole of that programme was devoted to how we get Rangers back to a dominant place in Scottish football and competing with their bedfellows Celtic. The rest of the clubs didnt even get a mention, bit part players in a film dominated by its two main stars !!!

These bloody programmes always fail to address the decades old mindset which has got us to this point in the first place and that is reliance on money coming in from the OF to keep clubs afloat, a situation which to their shame our clubs have been happy to embrace. The whole next decade in our game should be dedicated to finding a way to remove all of our clubs from this idiotic scenario.

One of the guys speaking was on about how "we are unfairly seen as sectarian" .... does this deluded idiot not follow his club to ER then? was he not there this season when the whole crowd sang "whos the Finian in the black" at the Killie game?

And the final joke ..... Yet another deluded diatribe about joining the English leagues. These arrogant morons are on their bloody knees hoping against hope that they will avoid oblivion and they still talk about ( as they see it ) football Nirvana.

Unbelievable !!!

Bit like Jim Traynor in the 'debate' on BBC a few nights ago saying Rangers must be saved to allow Scottish football to progress and develop.....just like it has with Rangers and Celtic dominating everything for the last 3 decades Jim.

Never liked the man but he really did show what a total trumpet he is and confirmed every time he opened his mouth that he knows nowt about the 'Scottish game' and is really only interested in the Glasgow duo.

As for the SFA and the SPL....oh lets have an inquiry to see what went wrong before we identify any 'learnings'....as ever no accountability, no contrition, no assurances that rules will be changed and every effort made to build a strong league system that allows fair competition across a number of teams....noooooo nothing of the sort.

Seems to me the powers that be in the SPL and SFA along with vast parts of the Scottish media are desperate for all of this to just go away so we can all get back to the cozy 2 way split of power and glory between Celtic and Rangers. I hope for this sake alone that Rangers are blown apart taking Ogilvie, Smith and the cancer of the OF bias with them.

[Jim44]

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Bit like Jim Traynor in the 'debate' on BBC a few nights ago saying Rangers must be saved to allow Scottish football to progress and develop.....just like it has with Rangers and Celtic dominating everything for the last 3 decades Jim.

Never liked the man but he really did show what a total trumpet he is and confirmed every time he opened his mouth that he knows nowt about the 'Scottish game' and is really only interested in the Glasgow duo.

As for the SFA and the SPL....oh lets have an inquiry to see what went wrong before we identify any 'learnings'....as ever no accountability, no contrition, no assurances that rules will be changed and every effort made to build a strong league system that allows fair competition across a number of teams....noooooo nothing of the sort.

Seems to me the powers that be in the SPL and SFA along with vast parts of the Scottish media are desperate for all of this to just go away so we can all get back to the cozy 2 way split of power and glory between Celtic and Rangers. I hope for this sake alone that Rangers are blown apart taking Ogilvie, Smith and the cancer of the OF bias with them.

I think most people deep down know that every string possible will be pulled to allow Rangers to continue unscathed and they probably will. Scottish football is dying on it's feet and the SPL holds no future for the ten also rans. These ten clubs should resign from the SPL, apply to join the SFL and with sensible restructuring re-establish a viable, fair and competitive form which might just flourish in the future without the ugly sisters. who would die with nowhere to go.

[PatHead]

BBC saying 4th bid received from overseas buyer.

[ScottB]

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I think most people deep down know that every string possible will be pulled to allow Rangers to continue unscathed and they probably will. Scottish football is dying on it's feet and the SPL holds no future for the ten also rans. These ten clubs should resign from the SPL, apply to join the SFL and with sensible restructuring re-establish a viable, fair and competitive form which might just flourish in the future without the ugly sisters. who would die with nowhere to go.

Seems to me that the SPL itself is the issue.

The old Premier Division was much more competitive, Old Firm 1-2s were rare, the winning margin was never 30 points plus etc.


We need a new league, with fair distribution of income, wage expenditure caps and strict rules to prevent the blatant cheating we currently see; owe the taxman money? Every game scheduled while you do is a 3-0 defeat. Can't pay players? Then you can't play them.

We need to bring back a sense of sporting integrity to the game, the nonsense with Rangers and Hearts flouting the system and basically cheating is putting me, and I'd wager many other fans, off the game entirely.

[Keith_M]

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BBC saying 4th bid received from overseas buyer.

It was me. Do you think €1.50 is bit too much

[blindsummit]

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Seems to me that the SPL itself is the issue.

The old Premier Division was much more competitive, Old Firm 1-2s were rare, the winning margin was never 30 points plus etc.


We need a new league, with fair distribution of income, wage expenditure caps and strict rules to prevent the blatant cheating we currently see; owe the taxman money? Every game scheduled while you do is a 3-0 defeat. Can't pay players? Then you can't play them.

We need to bring back a sense of sporting integrity to the game, the nonsense with Rangers and Hearts flouting the system and basically cheating is putting me, and I'd wager many other fans, off the game entirely.

Well said Scott. The big question is, have the non OF Chairs got the testicuar fortitude to get these things done. Rod maybe, but the rest?

[Hibrandenburg]

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It was me. Do you think €1.50 is bit too much

I'll double your stake Keith and together we can form a consortium, buy a failing Scottish club and watch them rise from the ashes like a phoenix and return to their former glory. Would be nice to watch the Bluebell again after all those years ;-)

[sadtom]

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I don't understand what makes that a joke?

I think its a joke because it flies in the face of their posturing and lip service to 'ridding the club of its sectarian image'.
Yes its the flag of the british state that we all live in, the reality is we all know what its REALLY about. It is der huns default position.
Just as the songbook is making a reappearance on matchday, they are now pandering to the lowest common denominator, the bigotry of their support as the 'rallying' point.
Ironic that they want to wave the british flag and bang on about their 'britishness', but dont seem to to happy to bide by the rules and the alleged traits of 'britishness' that they espouse. So called, fair play, decency, responsibility etc. Instead they've cheated the british public, her maj's taxpayer and handed wad of 'british' cash to hide in foreign bank accounts. How very british of them!!!
Look out for the imminent return of the orange away top. They just cant help themselves. Trailor trash!

[Hibrandenburg]

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I think its a joke because it flies in the face of their posturing and lip service to 'ridding the club of its sectarian image'.
Yes its the flag of the british state that we all live in, the reality is we all know what its REALLY about. It is der huns default position.
Just as the songbook is making a reappearance on matchday, they are now pandering to the lowest common denominator, the bigotry of their support as the 'rallying' point.
Ironic that they want to wave the british flag and bang on about their 'britishness', but dont seem to to happy to bide by the rules and the alleged traits of 'britishness' that they espouse. So called, fair play, decency, responsibility etc. Instead they've cheated the british public, her maj's taxpayer and handed wad of 'british' cash to hide in foreign bank accounts. How very british of them!!!
Look out for the imminent return of the orange away top. They just cant help themselves. Trailor trash!

Yes and isn't it quite fitting that instead of being up to their knees they are now up to their necks.

[stokesmessiah]

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I think its a joke because it flies in the face of their posturing and lip service to 'ridding the club of its sectarian image'.
Yes its the flag of the british state that we all live in, the reality is we all know what its REALLY about. It is der huns default position.
Just as the songbook is making a reappearance on matchday, they are now pandering to the lowest common denominator, the bigotry of their support as the 'rallying' point.
Ironic that they want to wave the british flag and bang on about their 'britishness', but dont seem to to happy to bide by the rules and the alleged traits of 'britishness' that they espouse. So called, fair play, decency, responsibility etc. Instead they've cheated the british public, her maj's taxpayer and handed wad of 'british' cash to hide in foreign bank accounts. How very british of them!!!
Look out for the imminent return of the orange away top. They just cant help themselves. Trailor trash!

Funny you should mention that as there was a thread on the bears den the other day about bringing the orange top back!

[ancient hibee]

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It was me. Do you think €1.50 is bit too much

As long as you've got the lawyers letter saying you've got the dosh it'll be OK.

[keep the faith]

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BBC saying 4th bid received from overseas buyer.

So the last friday deadline is pretty flexible eh?

This is some administration....

[Seveno]

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Funny you should mention that as there was a thread on the bears den the other day about bringing the orange top back!

The story has been slowed down so that Croppers can get on with some work.

[PaulSmith]

C4 tonight at 7pm should be interesting