Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[CropleyWasGod]

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Why the grinning smilie?!

It'll be at least that!

Agreed. Team of 12, say, at an average rate of £50 will eat that up.

[bighairyfaeleith]

I'm appalled by scotland tonight, thats just pure rangers propaganda. Absolute pish, trying to to paint dunfermlines problems as a reason not to punish rangers too much. ****ing shameful

The blonde newsreader on the story afterwards however was dirty as sin

[truehibernian]

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I'm appalled by scotland tonight, thats just pure rangers propaganda. Absolute pish, trying to to paint dunfermlines problems as a reason not to punish rangers too much. ****ing shameful

The blonde newsreader on the story afterwards however was dirty as sin

Cat Cubie the BBC Scotland weather girl is better mate.......the blonde that does the STV sport at teatime is decent although those front teeth of hers wouldn't look out of place on Watership Down.

[bighairyfaeleith]

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Cat Cubie the BBC Scotland weather girl is better mate.......the blonde that does the STV sport at teatime is decent although those front teeth of hers wouldn't look out of place on Watership Down.

she looks interesting yes

[green glory]

A bit off topic, all this talk of tv totty. I like a bit of Shearer and Ralston myself.

Death to the currants!

[truehibernian]

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A bit off topic, all this talk of tv totty. I like a bit of Shearer and Ralston myself.

Death to the currants!

Ralston stands like the hanger is still in her dress. I'll give you Shearer....her dress was particularly figure hugging tonight. Very pretty in real life too.....sadly a Rangers fan. She looks like she has shoplifted two xmas puddings most mornings with the outfits she wears.

[jgl07]

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Taken to that logical conclusion, why don't they just borrow another £150m buy a load a real good players in the hope they might win the CL and earn £mmm ?

Because no bugger will lend to them!

[SteveHFC]

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...gers-chop.html

The administrators could choose to axe players like Sasa Papac, David Healy, Sone Aluko and Salim Kerkar who are all out of contract in the summer.

It's also likely some ageing high earners could face the axe as the bean counters are forced to make crippling cuts.
That would leave the likes of Neil Alexander, Lee McCulloch and Kirk Broadfoot in the firing line.

[St.Kristopher]

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Cat Cubie the BBC Scotland weather girl is better mate.......the blonde that does the STV sport at teatime is decent although those front teeth of hers wouldn't look out of place on Watership Down.

Cat was a Watsons girl, always been a looker.

[Www1875hfc]

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[Hibs Class]

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Nimmo the Dimmo's brief is to narrow - don't hold your breath for any criticism whatsoever...

Have the details of his scope been published? I don't recall seeing it.

[Ozyhibby]

http://rangerstaxcase.com/2012/03/02...ip-at-sfa-spl/

Worth a read.

[Kato]

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...ret-deals.html

Wow. They should all be put on trial and jailed if found guilty. If anyone "normal" were employing people in this manner we'd be hammered.

[bingo70]

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http://rangerstaxcase.com/2012/03/02...ip-at-sfa-spl/

Worth a read.

The reaction from Regan there is embarrasing but between that and Doncasters silence it sums up the powers that be in scottish football.

My guess is no lessons will be learned from this and we'll continue to allow clubs to overspend then the next time it happens there'll be the usual shock and talk of learning lessons before we stumble on to the next crisis.

[Newry Hibs]

I wonder how many players that played in their last match (or two) will be made redundant? Hearing some of the options, I don't think too many. One option was some redundancies and a deferred 50% pay cut at the end of the season. Does that mean the players left get full whack now and then have to 'struggle' on with ony half pay while they look for another club in the close season - or indeed wait until RFC are all better and carry on next year.

[Twa Cairpets]

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http://rangerstaxcase.com/2012/03/02...ip-at-sfa-spl/

Worth a read.

Is it just me, or did that appear somewhat whingey? I know this blog has done some good work on exposing der hun, but to castigate Regan for not providing answers to a detailed and complex question on the basis of hypotheticals via twitter is ridiculous. With police investigations and administration and enquiries ongoing, it would be entirely and utterly inappropriate for publc speculation by the SFA/SPL, if for no other reason than it could prejudice findings.

I think Regan is doing quite well so far, myself. The "Scotland United" vision is clear and encouraging

[CropleyWasGod]

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Is it just me, or did that appear somewhat whingey? I know this blog has done some good work on exposing der hun, but to castigate Regan for not providing answers to a detailed and complex question on the basis of hypotheticals via twitter is ridiculous. With police investigations and administration and enquiries ongoing, it would be entirely and utterly inappropriate for publc speculation by the SFA/SPL, if for no other reason than it could prejudice findings.

I think Regan is doing quite well so far, myself. The "Scotland United" vision is clear and encouraging

That's my take on it, TC. The process (administration, police investigation, SFA enquiry) is ongoing. We can speculate to death on here (guilty!), but the time to throw stones is when the dust has settled.

[Ozyhibby]

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That's my take on it, TC. The process (administration, police investigation, SFA enquiry) is ongoing. We can speculate to death on here (guilty!), but the time to throw stones is when the dust has settled.

While I agree with you in principle, we are not dealing with a normal organisation. The SFA have a proven bias toward rangers therefor the throwing of a few early stones sends the message that we expect justice and fairness in the game.

[alfie]

It does sound a bit like Regan is avoiding the question from reading that. If the SFA has been ignoring the fact that there have been 'side contracts' at RFC then they should appoint an independent inquiry led by someone like Henry Mcleish.

Actually with their reputation for avoiding confrontation, it might be a good time to shut down the SFA, SFL and SPL and replace them with a new single body. Then all the blame for not following their own rules can be blamed on the previous bodies, ignoring the fact that it will probably be the same old blazers in the new body. Or am I being overly cynical?

[Twa Cairpets]

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While I agree with you in principle, we are not dealing with a normal organisation. The SFA have a proven bias toward rangers therefor the throwing of a few early stones sends the message that we expect justice and fairness in the game.

I think there is some justification in suggesting there were historical Hun leanings, but the whole purpose of someone like Regan coming in and the restructure of Scottish Football under way means that any institutional bias is removed. I think there is a difference between fan perception and reality anyway, but I dont think the accusation of proven bias towards Rangers is sustainable over the last couple of years in particular.

Even if you accept completely that the halls of Hampden are populated exclusively by Apron wearing, bowler hat toting sash wearers. However, the nature of this case, and sheer size of the potential fallout and its impact on the game - good, bad or neutral - will (if the organisation is to retain any credibility) transcend any such bias.

Its both fun and largely pointless to speculate on whats going on and what could happen from a fans point of view. If you're the SFA/SPL, you MUST play the political line of neutrality until there is something concrete to comment or act upon, otherwise you leave yourself open to both barrels.

[CropleyWasGod]

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It does sound a bit like Regan is avoiding the question from reading that. If the SFA has been ignoring the fact that there have been 'side contracts' at RFC then they should appoint an independent inquiry led by someone like Henry Mcleish.

Actually with their reputation for avoiding confrontation, it might be a good time to shut down the SFA, SFL and SPL and replace them with a new single body. Then all the blame for not following their own rules can be blamed on the previous bodies, ignoring the fact that it will probably be the same old blazers in the new body. Or am I being overly cynical?

What are the Terms of Reference of the Nimmo-Smith enquiry? From memory, I thought it was about "breaches of the SFA Articles". I am not sure if this situation (the parallel contracts) is covered by that.

[Billy Whizz]

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It does sound a bit like Regan is avoiding the question from reading that. If the SFA has been ignoring the fact that there have been 'side contracts' at RFC then they should appoint an independent inquiry led by someone like Henry Mcleish.

Actually with their reputation for avoiding confrontation, it might be a good time to shut down the SFA, SFL and SPL and replace them with a new single body. Then all the blame for not following their own rules can be blamed on the previous bodies, ignoring the fact that it will probably be the same old blazers in the new body. Or am I being overly cynical?

I'm not sure to be fair to Regan, that Twitter is the right place to be answering these sort of questions

[Twa Cairpets]

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It does sound a bit like Regan is avoiding the question from reading that. If the SFA has been ignoring the fact that there have been 'side contracts' at RFC then they should appoint an independent inquiry led by someone like Henry Mcleish.

Actually with their reputation for avoiding confrontation, it might be a good time to shut down the SFA, SFL and SPL and replace them with a new single body. Then all the blame for not following their own rules can be blamed on the previous bodies, ignoring the fact that it will probably be the same old blazers in the new body. Or am I being overly cynical?

And so he should - a blogger on a public forum asks a question on twitter and then takes the hufty that he doesnt get an answer. Twitter is hardly the place for in depth investigative journalism, especially from a tweeter with a clear agenda. For Regan to have replied would have been genuinely appaling.

And you are veing overly cynical. One thing Regan has done is wipe away a lot of the "blazers" and committees to make things structurally more sensible. I also dont think that a single body would be in the best interests of the the total game, but that's a different argument and would constitute a thread hijack.

[Ozyhibby]

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I think there is some justification in suggesting there were historical Hun leanings, but the whole purpose of someone like Regan coming in and the restructure of Scottish Football under way means that any institutional bias is removed. I think there is a difference between fan perception and reality anyway, but I dont think the accusation of proven bias towards Rangers is sustainable over the last couple of years in particular.

Even if you accept completely that the halls of Hampden are populated exclusively by Apron wearing, bowler hat toting sash wearers. However, the nature of this case, and sheer size of the potential fallout and its impact on the game - good, bad or neutral - will (if the organisation is to retain any credibility) transcend any such bias.

Its both fun and largely pointless to speculate on whats going on and what could happen from a fans point of view. If you're the SFA/SPL, you MUST play the political line of neutrality until there is something concrete to comment or act upon, otherwise you leave yourself open to both barrels.

If there has been no bias over the last couple of years then how do you explain the fact that Campbell Ogilvie was appointed vice president of the sfa after being a rangers director at the time these second contracts were being dished out. Surely he would have blown the whistle on this to his new employers by now? To say there is no longer a bias is naive in my opinion.

[matty_f]

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If there has been no bias over the last couple of years then how do you explain the fact that Campbell Ogilvie was appointed vice president of the sfa after being a rangers director at the time these second contracts were being dished out. Surely he would have blown the whistle on this to his new employers by now? To say there is no longer a bias is naive in my opinion.

Wouldn't Ogilvie reporting that be like a turkey voting for Christmas?

[CropleyWasGod]

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If there has been no bias over the last couple of years then how do you explain the fact that Campbell Ogilvie was appointed vice president of the sfa after being a rangers director at the time these second contracts were being dished out. Surely he would have blown the whistle on this to his new employers by now? To say there is no longer a bias is naive in my opinion.

For one thing, we don't know that the second contracts exist. Yet.

Secondly, the fact that one member of the SFA (I am not sure that he is "employed" by them...) is a a lying, duplicitous, tax-dodging piece of Whyte doesn't make the whole organisaton so.

[Keith_M]

This guy has just admitted publicly that he and his company (Rangers) have knowingly cheated the tax man and bent/broken various rules for at least twenty years. This is an open admission that should be investigated both by the Police and the SFA/SPL. If Rangers get off after this with a mere 10 point penalty, it'll be a total travesty.

Oh and it also blows out of the water the David Murray line that it's all CWs fault and his "who me guv?" pleas of innocence.


Can we retrospectively have the 1993 League Cup awarded please

[CropleyWasGod]

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This guy has just admitted publicly that he and his company (Rangers) have knowingly cheated the tax man and bent/broken various rules for at least twenty years. This is an open admission that should be investigated both by the Police and the SFA/SPL. If Rangers get off after this with a mere 10 point penalty, it'll be a total travesty.

Oh and it also blows out of the water the David Murray line that it's all CWs fault and his "who me guv?" pleas of innocence.


Can we retrospectively have the 1993 League Cup awarded please

When was this?

Oh, and sod the 1993 League Cup.... I want the 1979 Cup ... with Arthur credited with the winning goal!

[Keith_M]

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When was this?

Sorry, my previous post was supposed to have quoted this...

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...ret-deals.html

[Twa Cairpets]

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If there has been no bias over the last couple of years then how do you explain the fact that Campbell Ogilvie was appointed vice president of the sfa after being a rangers director at the time these second contracts were being dished out. Surely he would have blown the whistle on this to his new employers by now? To say there is no longer a bias is naive in my opinion.

Employing an ex Rangers (and Hearts) Company Secretary does not mean there is bias. That's ridiculous.

It may be the case that Ogilivie is in someway complicit in the 2nd contracts (if they are indeed shown to be real): If this is the case his position is almost certainly untenable, but while the case is going on, you cannot, with any justification, expect the SFA to bullet him as that leaves them open to a charge of unfair dismissal.