Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[ancienthibby]

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If that is true, then Dunfermline are sailing close to the wind too. A real hand to mouth existence.

Beeb Radio just reported that the Dunfy story is true.

Also that Daily Rankger saying that 11 players are to go from Castle Greyskull, plus all others will have to take substantial wage cuts.

I'll get a link if I can....

[Www1875hfc]

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Beeb Radio just reported that the Dunfy story is true.

Also that Daily Rankger saying that 11 players are to go from Castle Greyskull, plus all others will have to take substantial wage cuts.

I'll get a link if I can....

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/footbal...medium=twitter

Papac and Alexander are 2 of the players most likely to be axed at Rangers. McCulloch is also singled out.

[ancienthibby]

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Beeb Radio just reported that the Dunfy story is true.

Also that Daily Rankger saying that 11 players are to go from Castle Greyskull, plus all others will have to take substantial wage cuts.

I'll get a link if I can....

Here's what the Hootsmon is saying, 7 to go they day.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba..._axe_1_2145982

[ancienthibby]

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Here's what the Hootsmon is saying, 7 to go they day.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba..._axe_1_2145982

Here is the DR story:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2012/03...6908-23770531/

[Gettin' Auld]

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Here's what the Hootsmon is saying, 7 to go they day.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba..._axe_1_2145982

Just heard that they're releasing 11 players and the ones who aren't being released must take a 50% wage cut.

It was on Radio Scotland though, so it could well be a load of bollox!

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Just heard that they're releasing 11 players and the ones who aren't being released must take a 50% wage cut.

It was on Radio Scotland though, so it could well be a load of bollox!

Whatever the numbers, it's inevitable that a club in administration has to make drastic savings, including in relation to players. It will be interesting to see which of them are released immediately and which are sold on when the transfer window opens. Happy days.

[alfie]

The only downside of the cull, and the consequent doom and gloom at Murray Park is that they face the Yams on Saturday which could gift them points, which nobody wants to see!

[alfie]

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Patience, good sir, I feel it's just warming up.

One more big pay-day for RFC this weekend, and then.... KABOOM.

And don't forget.... once this saga is over, we have the main feature of Slaughter on Ardmillan Avenue

And then I log in this morning to find out that 11 are being released and the rest are taking a 50% pay cut.

You see this is what we want, a good news story to start the day! My contract runs out on Monday, and I've just been told it's not getting renewed, so I'm out of work next week, but who cares?! :

[dangermouse]

With regard to the Ticketus money, did the £24M not include an additional loan of £6M to pay back some of the original load that CW/RFC couldn't afford at the time?

[Ozyhibby]

Interesting quotes from HMRC in this article from yesterday

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17213691

[GreenPJ]

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If that is true, then Dunfermline are sailing close to the wind too. A real hand to mouth existence.

This will only further their argument that Scottish football need a healthy Rangers.

[bingo70]

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This will only further their argument that Scottish football need a healthy Rangers.

I think the current set up requires a healthy old firm, however i think what people want is a revamped set up with a more equal share of money, a more competitive league and a bigger league so that smaller teams have got a chance of winning more games.

I don't have a clue how many games dunfermline have won this season but possibly about 5 or 6? of course they aren't going to have a big fan base as they could do, i bet if they were playing against more clubs of a similar standard and won more games this season they'd get more fans back IMO.

[greenginger]

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Interesting quotes from HMRC in this article from yesterday

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17213691

The statement is almost word for word a copy of the statement they issued about Rangers. Hope they are going to stick to their guns especially in the Huns case.

[Kato]

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Football in this country is dying on its arse anyway so something has to change and if that something is those ****my gits going out of business then i am a happier man.

Very true. Rather than slowly fading away it would be good to have something to fight for.

[cad]

Dunfy have had a double whammy £80,000 from Rangers and a postponed home game that cost them £50,000, against Killie , they run a very tight ship ,they pay there bills infact the amount due to HMRC is only £44,000 a couple of high earners wages at Ibrox .

Dundee Utd are due £100,000 ,who because of the situation they are in could decide to handle all ticket sales themselves when Rangers visit Tannadice in a week or so.

Rangers IMO dont give a toss about anybody else , there supporters more so ,I just think that someone maybe even the SFA should be looking out for the 2 teams affected by this scenario rather the the club that caused it all.

When are the The Suits going to come out with something regarding the situation the kick-on effect to the rest of the countries football clubs , there silence has been deafening ,or are they just waiting to see what happens at Ibrox , then work around it anyway they can to accomdation them ,which is what I believe may very well happen .

[CropleyWasGod]

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With regard to the Ticketus money, did the £24M not include an additional loan of £6M to pay back some of the original load that CW/RFC couldn't afford at the time?

It was explained to me (about 30 pages ago ) that the £24m was supposed to cover 3 years, starting with the current season. The first payment of £6m to Ticketus was due at the start of this season, but RFC couldn't make it. So the deal was extended to 4 years.

[MB62]

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Dunfy have had a double whammy £80,000 from Rangers and a postponed home game that cost them £50,000, against Killie , they run a very tight ship ,they pay there bills infact the amount due to HMRC is only £44,000 a couple of high earners wages at Ibrox .

Dundee Utd are due £100,000 ,who because of the situation they are in could decide to handle all ticket sales themselves when Rangers visit Tannadice in a week or so.

Rangers IMO dont give a toss about anybody else , there supporters more so ,I just think that someone maybe even the SFA should be looking out for the 2 teams affected by this scenario rather the the club that caused it all.

When are the The Suits going to come out with something regarding the situation the kick-on effect to the rest of the countries football clubs , there silence has been deafening ,or are they just waiting to see what happens at Ibrox , then work around it anyway they can to accomdation them ,which is what I believe may very well happen .

You can bet your house on that being the case. Derhun will come out of this smelling of roses, of that I have no doubt.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Dunfy have had a double whammy £80,000 from Rangers and a postponed home game that cost them £50,000, against Killie , they run a very tight ship ,they pay there bills infact the amount due to HMRC is only £44,000 a couple of high earners wages at Ibrox .

Dundee Utd are due £100,000 ,who because of the situation they are in could decide to handle all ticket sales themselves when Rangers visit Tannadice in a week or so.

Rangers IMO dont give a toss about anybody else , there supporters more so ,I just think that someone maybe even the SFA should be looking out for the 2 teams affected by this scenario rather the the club that caused it all.

When are the The Suits going to come out with something regarding the situation the kick-on effect to the rest of the countries football clubs , there silence has been deafening ,or are they just waiting to see what happens at Ibrox , then work around it anyway they can to accomdation them ,which is what I believe may very well happen .

Lord Nimmo Smith?

[EuanH78]

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This will only further their argument that Scottish football need a healthy Rangers.

Only as a surface analysis it looks like that, a proper root cause analysis would easily spot that the problem lies in the dwindling crowds of the SPL in it's entirety. A situation that has been pored over a hundred times on here but bullet point

• small and uncompetitive league
• uneven distribution of wealth
• 11 -1 voting system inhibiting fairness
• unwillingness of governing body to promote fairness and parity of all member clubs
• Pandering to TV companies re: scheduling, alienating fans

Just for starters, what I find incredible is media fuds bemoaning the state of the Scottish game and yet arguing for the status quo with regards to needing the huns, cause and effect IMO and I'm looking at you Traynor....twat.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Only as a surface analysis it looks like that, a proper root cause analysis would easily spot that the problem lies in the dwindling crowds of the SPL in it's entirety. A situation that has been pored over a hundred times on here but bullet point

• small and uncompetitive league
• uneven distribution of wealth
• 11 -1 voting system inhibiting fairness
• unwillingness of governing body to promote fairness and parity of all member clubs
• Pandering to TV companies re: scheduling, alienating fans

Just for starters, what I find incredible is media fuds bemoaning the state of the Scottish game and yet arguing for the status quo with regards to needing the huns, cause and effect IMO and I'm looking at you Traynor....twat.

Is this Jim Traynor, who has been calling for the changing of the 11-1 system?

[GreenPJ]

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Only as a surface analysis it looks like that, a proper root cause analysis would easily spot that the problem lies in the dwindling crowds of the SPL in it's entirety. A situation that has been pored over a hundred times on here but bullet point

• small and uncompetitive league
• uneven distribution of wealth
• 11 -1 voting system inhibiting fairness
• unwillingness of governing body to promote fairness and parity of all member clubs
• Pandering to TV companies re: scheduling, alienating fans

Just for starters, what I find incredible is media fuds bemoaning the state of the Scottish game and yet arguing for the status quo with regards to needing the huns, cause and effect IMO and I'm looking at you Traynor....twat.

I agree with all of that though the here and now is that if the club did not have the debt it has a drop in crowds could be managed by wage caps, limited squad size etc. The problem is they have a debt they have to service and the lenders in the current environment are not in a mood to be generous. The root cause of the problems as you listed above have to be addressed but the problem I still have is that the Clubs who have to have some say in what a workable structure is going forward have the noose of debt around their neck and any decision they make is going to be taken with that being the primary consideration.

We need a Greekesque debt write-off for all clubs but it ain't going to happen. How much is in the SPL coffers?

I do think as you rightly point out there are people who have been on the governing body who have been negligent in the extreme for a number of years.

[Keith_M]

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And then I log in this morning to find out that 11 are being released and the rest are taking a 50% pay cut.

You see this is what we want, a good news story to start the day! My contract runs out on Monday, and I've just been told it's not getting renewed, so I'm out of work next week, but who cares?! :

You get a Contract for selling pegs nowadays? How times have changed.

[EuanH78]

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Is this Jim Traynor, who has been calling for the changing of the 11-1 system?

Must have missed that Cropley, to be fair to me though it must be a recent change from his 'all things OF' sycophancy (i think I just made that word up) and he's still a fud anyway.

[EuanH78]

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I agree with all of that though the here and now is that if the club did not have the debt it has a drop in crowds could be managed by wage caps, limited squad size etc. The problem is they have a debt they have to service and the lenders in the current environment are not in a mood to be generous. The root cause of the problems as you listed above have to be addressed but the problem I still have is that the Clubs who have to have some say in what a workable structure is going forward have the noose of debt around their neck and any decision they make is going to be taken with that being the primary consideration.

We need a Greekesque debt write-off for all clubs but it ain't going to happen. How much is in the SPL coffers?

I do think as you rightly point out there are people who have been on the governing body who have been negligent in the extreme for a number of years.

I cant argue against what you say as I agree, but the alternative is the status quo which is totally unworkable. Luckily I think there are enough clubs that could take the haircut (not painlessly I might add) Hibs being one of them, to give this a chance of change being pushed through.

[bingo70]

Chris Mclaughlin from the BBC has said on twitter that it'll be tomorrow before players are released.

[brydekirk]

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Can you sign player released through administration?
If so Neil Alexander would be ideal for us IMO

Must agree, N A would be a good signing

[GreenPJ]

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Chris Mclaughlin from the BBC has said on twitter that it'll be tomorrow before players are released.

Could this be a delay in the hope that they get access to the £6M in CW's lawyers account?

[Part/Time Supporter]

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Could this be a delay in the hope that they get access to the £6M in CW's lawyers account?

No, they're negotiating with McCoist in terms of who gets the heave.

[Mikeystewart]

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Could this be a delay in the hope that they get access to the £6M in CW's lawyers account?

https://twitter.com/#!/BBCchrismclaug

Just in case anyone wanted a link

[PatHead]

Rangers supporter here in the office saying "they (the government) could have given some of the money "they wasted" on the Titian to help Rangers out".
Really, who do they think they are?

Still hasn't sunk in that
1. the mess is of their own making,
2. It has not suddenly happened and is not Ticketus/all Whyte's fault
2. no-one owes them anything
3. No-one, apart from Rangers supporters, wants them saved or thinks they should be treated as a special case

Sad thing is he is normally a level headed guy.

Doubt I will rush along to see the artwork in question but if it kept the money out of Rangers' hands it was well spent!