Steve Clarke? ex Assistant at Chelski and West Ham? (merged)

**Albion Hibs** · 06-10-2010 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy

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There is no long-term in football nowadays (at least not at the level we operate) - Bosman and reactionary fans have killed that stone dead.

Disagree.

In my opinion we should look to work on two or three year cycles - a long-term manager at Hibs nowadays has to mean medicority - if hes good hes off, if hes bottom six hes off - and if he isnt, his best players certainly will be.

Two or three years I dont even think a manager can get his own team in that time. But then again, on your model above he is showing us the same level of loyalty as we show them so we cant complain can we?

I think there is no point in pining after the stability panacea, for me stability should be the off-field cheif exec type stuff, and in that respect we are great.

My view is stability comes throughout the club. Do you think we are stable now just because we have a CEO and a load of directors?

On-field, i think stability is impossible when you are as far down the UK football food-chain as we (and every other SPL club) now are.

Agreed to an extent and never disputed.

So we should work within the realities of 21st century football, not the past.

Originally Posted by Mikey

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If the next manager is successful he'll be away in 18 - 36 months.

If the next manager is a disaster he'll be away in 18 - 36 months.

If the next manager is mediocre and keeps us around 4th or 5th in the league and regularly gets us to quarter finals of the cups he'll be here for the long term. Do you want that?

I guess on the above we could never have a negative thing to say about a manager that leaves for another club through his choice, as the above shows they will give us as much loyalty as we generally show them!?

Do you think finishing 4th is mediocre - what position do you think we should be finishing in?

Reaching a quarter final, is that were we would get to and then it would end? Very black and white for you, dont think that is a way that things can be assessed. There are plenty of mediocre managers and teams that have won trophies.

On your above you are effectively saying Yogis time in charge was worse than a disaster - do you really think so?

I think that you have both missed my point. Taking Mixu as an example hounded out in 12 months, did not really have time to bring in his own team (he did however bring in players like, Riordan, Murray and Bamba, three of our better players) alas whats the point, you end up with a miss match of different managers views on how a team should be shaped and what it should play and look like. Mixu has lived in Edinburgh for a long time now, family settled kids at school, what would stop him pledging long term to Hibs - the same could be said for Yogi. A six figure salary for managing a club in the city you are from versus the up-root and move away. Mixu going to Killie is perhaps an example of his desire to remain in Scotland.

Perhaps easy for me to say, and of course where there is one example of the above there will probably be 100 of the reverse.

My honest view is, and the above is my opinion, one of two more of Mikeys cycles and the Hibs job will be even less attractive than it is now - not exactly a foundation for the future.

***hibeesjoe*** · 06-10-2010 01:47 PM

Either the bookies trawl through forums or theyre in the know but paddy power has Clarke at 11/4 now as the next manager. Some change from 20/1 someone else posted earlier.

***scoopyboy*** · 06-10-2010 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Albion Hibs

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Being unemployed must be a killer when you have millions in the bank - real struggle, I would certainly hate to be in that situation!

If it was just about getting a job I would fancy his chances of walking into most clubs in England. If he has not retired I would think he would stay down south, plus agree with a couple of the above comments in terms of how long he would stay - whilst I know people do not like the ex player route, I think that is the best way to get a manager to come in and stay in given how we opperate as a club.

I want the next manager to be a long term play, please please not another 12 month appointment.

Kinda defeating your own argument here AH.

You say he is way out of our pay scale.

I reply by saying as he's unemployed Hibs salary is better than nothing.

Your response is to say he has millions in the bank.

Well if he has millions in the bank then surely he could afford to take the Hibs job whether it was well paid or not.

**alex74** · 06-10-2010 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by hibeesjoe

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Either the bookies trawl through forums or theyre in the know but paddy power has Clarke at 11/4 now as the next manager. Some change from 20/1 someone else posted earlier.

would settle for clark even though hes always been no 2 but he obviously knows his stuff

**Albion Hibs** · 06-10-2010 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by scoopyboy

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Kinda defeating your own argument here AH.

You say he is way out of our pay scale.

I reply by saying as he's unemployed Hibs salary is better than nothing.

Your response is to say he has millions in the bank.

Well if he has millions in the bank then surely he could afford to take the Hibs job whether it was well paid or not.

Your point was he has no job so he would take the job i.e. to get an income - my point is that if you have a bundle there is no pressure to take a job - dont you see that?

If you had a load of dosh in the bank and someone offered you a job for £1 to work at a club you know nothing about miles away from home would you take it, when A) you dont need the money and B) you could get £2 working at the bottom of your street?

**bighairyfaeleith** · 06-10-2010 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Albion Hibs

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I think that you have both missed my point. Taking Mixu as an example hounded out in 12 months, did not really have time to bring in his own team (he did however bring in players like, Riordan, Murray and Bamba, three of our better players) alas whats the point, you end up with a miss match of different managers views on how a team should be shaped and what it should play and look like. Mixu has lived in Edinburgh for a long time now, family settled kids at school, what would stop him pledging long term to Hibs - the same could be said for Yogi. A six figure salary for managing a club in the city you are from versus the up-root and move away. Mixu going to Killie is perhaps an example of his desire to remain in Scotland.

Perhaps easy for me to say, and of course where there is one example of the above there will probably be 100 of the reverse.

My honest view is, and the above is my opinion, one of two more of Mikeys cycles and the Hibs job will be even less attractive than it is now - not exactly a foundation for the future.

Is the 1st division a foundation for the future?

**bighairyfaeleith** · 06-10-2010 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Albion Hibs

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Your point was he has no job so he would take the job i.e. to get an income - my point is that if you have a bundle there is no pressure to take a job - dont you see that?

If you had a load of dosh in the bank and someone offered you a job for £1 to work at a club you know nothing about miles away from home would you take it, when A) you dont need the money and B) you could get £2 working at the bottom of your street?

Pretty sure we will offer more than a pound, thats just ridiculous!!

***blackpoolhibs*** · 06-10-2010 02:02 PM

Its obvious Clarke is minted. I have no idea if he would take the Hibs job, the wages would not be more than £4k a week i'd imagine? Non of us know him, none of us know if he's interested? Its all a waste of time imho wondering either way.

***Golden Bear*** · 06-10-2010 02:06 PM

I would imagine that Steve Clarke will already be financially very well off so money will not be the main driving force if he is interested in the Hibs job.

Very similar to JC's circumstances I'd have thought.

***blackpoolhibs*** · 06-10-2010 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Golden Bear

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I would imagine that Steve Clarke will already be financially very well off so money will not be the main driving force if he is interested in the Hibs job.

Very similar to JC's circumstances I'd have thought.

It also makes it easy for them to walk away when the going gets a little tough.

***basehibby*** · 06-10-2010 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Albion Hibs

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Your point was he has no job so he would take the job i.e. to get an income - my point is that if you have a bundle there is no pressure to take a job - dont you see that?

If you had a load of dosh in the bank and someone offered you a job for £1 to work at a club you know nothing about miles away from home would you take it, when A) you dont need the money and B) you could get £2 working at the bottom of your street?

Hibs are hardly a club which Scotsman and ex-SPL-player Steve Clarke knows nothing about - we are a decent sized club - certainly as as big as most championship clubs in prestige and stature if not in turnover - which can clearly open the door to greater things (see Tony Mowbray, Alex McLeish). Hibs also offer the chance to experience european football - something which Steve Clarke would find very difficult to come by as a manager down south - and boast a great youth set up and training facilities only matched by the top sides.
Steve Clarke obviously has no financial pressure on him to find work but he is ambitious - and Hibs would more than likely represent a good oportunity for him to get on the road to achieving those ambitions.

**Evergreen86** · 06-10-2010 02:23 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Clarke

***HibbyAndy*** · 06-10-2010 02:28 PM

Do you no read the forum?

**iwasthere1972** · 06-10-2010 02:30 PM

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Do you no read the forum?

I think the OP means to replace Stokes. 14 goals in 500 games.

***HibbyAndy*** · 06-10-2010 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by iwasthere1972

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I think the OP means to replace Stokes. 14 goals in 500 games.

Ahhh

**Albion Hibs** · 06-10-2010 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by bighairyfaeleith

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Is the 1st division a foundation for the future?

Who plays in the first division? We are a premiership team.

**Evergreen86** · 06-10-2010 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by iwasthere1972

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I think the OP means to replace Stokes. 14 goals in 500 games.

What else did you think i meant?

With Jimmy Calderwood at the helm im sure we could get Clarkey the 'goal machine'

**Cabbage East** · 06-10-2010 02:34 PM

Steve Clarke now the bookies favourite.

Right down to 6/4 on Paddy Power, was 20/1.

**M11BMO** · 06-10-2010 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Cabbage East

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Steve Clarke now the bookies favourite

Good Times...

**ScottB** · 06-10-2010 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Cabbage East

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Steve Clarke now the bookies favourite.

Right down to 6/4 on Paddy Power, was 20/1.

I wanted him last time, exciting stuff!

Is this because some of us have been betting on him or because the bookies know something / having been tapping up linen delivery firms?

**smurf** · 06-10-2010 02:51 PM

Exciting appointment this could be! Maybe Rodders is by the phone waiting on Jose to phone in with a reference!!

**Holmesdale Hibs** · 06-10-2010 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Cabbage East

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Steve Clarke now the bookies favourite.

Right down to 6/4 on Paddy Power, was 20/1.

Happy days. He would be a great appointment IMO. Lets hope the bookies have a source other than hibs.net

**ScottB** · 06-10-2010 02:53 PM

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Exciting appointment this could be! Maybe Rodders is by the phone waiting on Jose to phone in with a reference!!

Good for them to build up a rapport before we bring in some Galacticos on loan

***bawheid*** · 06-10-2010 02:56 PM

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Good for them to build up a rapport before we bring in some Galacticos on loan

Friendly with Real Madrid to open the new stand properly?

**M11BMO** · 06-10-2010 02:58 PM

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Friendly with Real Madrid to open the new stand properly?

Not Hibs class.

**Ritchie** · 06-10-2010 03:02 PM

i would be over the moon if we were to appoint Clarke.

**Cabbage East** · 06-10-2010 03:06 PM

Wouldn't get too excited just yet, there could be nothing in this, just noticed the odds had drastically changed, hearing some bookies have suspended the market too.

There must be something in it though...

***essexhibee*** · 06-10-2010 03:07 PM

If we get Steve Clarke, and a huge IF, i would happily walk down Princes Street butt naked. He would be unreal for hibs. Contacts? Jeez they would be good.

However, my head tells me Nae Danger on this one.