Paul Kane Speaks on Reporting Scotland

[alex74]

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On in a minute.

paul kane is talking thru his nose if it wasent for rod cant imagine what mess we would be in hail the petrie fella and kano u keep ur hooter out of it keep pouring the pints

[jdships]

Sorry "Kano" you need to get back on the tablets

[1875 NO 1]

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Surely you cant be doubting the way he has run the club financially???

Allow the debt to approach £20m. Sell car park and all our players. We still have £6m debt. We now have an exec chairman and chief exec and for the last 3 seasons we have operating losses of £5m.

Also,the first paid chairman in clubs history. We cant afford to have Rod and Scott Lyndsay.

This year we will probably loose upto £2m and still have to find £1.5m to pay for east stand.................when we were told the money was ring fenced for the stand. And to cover the cost of paying off another manager.

How is the financial genius going to cover operating losses when there is no family silver left to sell.

[1875 NO 1]

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paul kane is talking thru his nose if it wasent for rod cant imagine what mess we would be in hail the petrie fella and kano u keep ur hooter out of it keep pouring the pints

Kano is a season ticket holder at £1000 a pop. That entitles you to an opinion.

We are in a big mess I'd hate to see how it could get worse. A mess created by Mr Petrie

[keep the faith]

Nonsense. Petrie's tough transfer negociating and business balls have resulted in us having a training centre the envy of the country, stadium the best outside Glasgow and spending on players when no one else was. The managers he brought in were great picks and very few complained about them at the time. You can't legislate for things not wotking out.

He also deserves kudos for taking action quickly when it was apparent yogi and mixu were not the men.

Mowbray set the template for a young enthusiastic manager full of energy and of course it made sense for him to follow that criteria again. I remember hearing him a few years ago saying he would never appoint a manager who was not taking on his biggest role. In other words, no jaded journeymen. I wonder if that criteria is diluted a bit now?

In rod I certainly trust.

[erskine-hibby]

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I am not saying that RP should be emptied, but, saying that because the fans wanted the last managers RP should have signed them is nonsence. He gets paid big bucks for these sorts of decisions. If they fail, he should be accountable. If Rod Petrie done what the fans wanted, he would be taking much less of a wage and there would have been mega bucks paid out on transfer fees.

Rod and co should be holding there hands up and take some of the blame for recent managerial failings as they are the ones that employed them. I know Rod took a bit offence when suggestions were made that a 'footballing' person should be used when appointing the next manager, but lets face it, Rod is the dogs when it comes to financial stuff, but is lacking with the footballing side of things.

Have said the same thing for many years now.
Rod has been the teflon man for a long time now simply because he has, on the whole, done a decent job of the clubs finances. He has though made many mistakes that, in my opinion, have led to us going through as many managers as we have had recently. This also affects the team as a whole, so in that sense he has failed.
In a nut shell Kano could very well be right.

[clerriehibs]

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Please can you explain this

What's to explain?

[HibbyAndy]

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What's to explain

Explain how many ways id ride your Avatar

[clerriehibs]

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Explain how many ways id ride your Avatar

I just thought the dress was a nice shade of green ...

[alex74]

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Kano is a season ticket holder at £1000 a pop. That entitles you to an opinion.

We are in a big mess I'd hate to see how it could get worse. A mess created by Mr Petrie

dont know were ur getting we are in a big mess have you had a look at most clubs in scotland .also he has got top doller over the years for players so keep up the good work rod suppose u have a point about kano:notworthy:

[Criswell]

I am amazed at the number of people who still stick blindly to the belief that the club, under the stewardship of Petrie, are in financial rude health. it may have been true a few years ago, but is this still the case? Figures released in recent annual accounts suggest not. Turnover continues to decline and operating losses continue to mount.

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Also is Scott Lindsay not chief exec now? No one seems to ever mention him

Mikey does..............regularly

[jacomo]

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I am amazed at the number of people who still stick blindly to the belief that the club, under the stewardship of Petrie, are in financial rude health. it may have been true a few years ago, but is this still the case? Figures released in recent annual accounts suggest not. Turnover continues to decline and operating losses continue to mount.

"Rock solid" is not the phrase I'd use to describe our last two years. To be fair, though, attendances are falling across Scotland, but Hibs must be worrying about how they get turnover going in the right direction again.

[matty_f]

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"Rock solid" is not the phrase I'd use to describe our last two years. To be fair, though, attendances are falling across Scotland, but Hibs must be worrying about how they get turnover going in the right direction again.

The best way to get the turnover going in the right direction is to put a winning team on the park. We'll get a lift from a new manager coming in, people's enthusiasm will return (providing the appointment catches the imagination), and with it so will the crowds.

The danger is that we hire someone like Calderwood, where there are already prejudices against him based on what we know of his managerial time elsewhere. The wrong manager, or one that divides the support, could actually prove even more costly and reduce turnover more.

[Heckys Wheel]

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The best way to get the turnover going in the right direction is to put a winning team on the park. We'll get a lift from a new manager coming in, people's enthusiasm will return (providing the appointment catches the imagination), and with it so will the crowds.

The danger is that we hire someone like Calderwood, where there are already prejudices against him based on what we know of his managerial time elsewhere. The wrong manager, or one that divides the support, could actually prove even more costly and reduce turnover more.

Calderwood has a good record. However, every club he's been at, the fans have hated him. I don't know if that's hoofball or his manner but nobody seems to like him despite over-achieving at Dunfermline, Aberdeen and Killie.

Don't think he'd be the right appointment even if he could replicate his successes here.

It's sad that our managerial appointments have to take into account the feelings of people who have next to zero experience in football and are edging ever closer to being labelled the "Worst fans in football", but the board have recognised this and have acted to appease these guys with Ex-player appointments.

Let's hope they can find somebody who is capable of doing a job but also passes the stringent "Good guy, **** test", put in place by the masses.

Good guy: Ex Hibs who didn't move to the OF. Non ex-OF who have strung a few wins together.
****: Ex-OF, Anybody who's not "Hibs class"

[hibee4life1983]

Its his opinion but its a tad flawd. Rods the man, hotrod, rodimus prime, the iron tache, in rod we trust.

[Dashing Bob S]

In a dilemma here. I love Kano and Rod. I'm calling this one a score draw and saying both are preferable to Gary MacKay and George Foulkes.

[Beefster]

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The best way to get the turnover going in the right direction is to put a winning team on the park. We'll get a lift from a new manager coming in, people's enthusiasm will return (providing the appointment catches the imagination), and with it so will the crowds.

The danger is that we hire someone like Calderwood, where there are already prejudices against him based on what we know of his managerial time elsewhere. The wrong manager, or one that divides the support, could actually prove even more costly and reduce turnover more.

Good points, Matty. More than ever, we need an appointment who can arrest the decline AND inspire the fans with his chat and the way he wants to play the game.

I don't think I've felt properly inspired by what a new manager has had to say since the day Mowbray took over.

[Jack]

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Without dismissing the job that Rodders has done, that's just not true. Ignoring the fact that he was in charge as the debt was racked up, any decent CEO would have been able to sell the car park and the young players we developed.

I think that’s a tad unfair. The club, those running it, were only doing what all clubs thought was the way to go with huge TV monies expected ad infinitum. We were fortunate to have the car park and the golden generation to clear the decks but other clubs had similar resources and could have done a lot better financially for the long term futures of their club – not looking at any clubs in particular.

Now while clubs wallow with rented training facilities; crumbling stadia; crippling debt and unsure about their futures Hibs can confidently plan for the future without looking over their back for the tax man.

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Then how does he win, theres always gonna be people that get on at him. The majority of fans wanted Mixu and Yogi and if he hadnt have appointed 1 or both of them I fear he would have been accused of not listening to the fans. I do agree with you though, maybe someone like Pat Stanton could have a kind of advisory roll when it comes to making footballing decisions like this, just an idea.

I agree with this but I’m sure Pat, and others, will have the ear of Rod, and the others, who will make the decision.


As for Kano. I never heard the interview. His heart is undoubtedly a hib and his blood runs green, he loves our club.

[johnrebus]

I don't understand why Paul Kane is copping such abuse (and personal abuse at that) for calling it as he sees it.

One of his main points last night was about how Petrie handled the 'mutiny' of the players towards John Collins.

Inviting players to his (Petrie) house, behind the back of the manager, was a disgusting thing to do and remains so. As Kano said, if he can do it once he can do it again and is not a man to be trusted.

Paul Kane is 100% correct IMHO.

[hibsbollah]

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On in a minute.

The man is barely understandable. And wrong. Petrie has to 'consider his position'??

[Pretty Boy]

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Steve Jobs. He'd rename us iHibs and have us win the domestic treble by 2015.

Only after being ousted by his own board and being brought back a couple of years later.

[topcat!]

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I don't understand why Paul Kane is copping such abuse (and personal abuse at that) for calling it as he sees it.

One of his main points last night was about how Petrie handled the 'mutiny' of the players towards John Collins.

Inviting players to his (Petrie) house, behind the back of the manager, was a disgusting thing to do and remains so. As Kano said, if he can do it once he can do it again and is not a man to be trusted.

Paul Kane is 100% correct IMHO.

Agree 100% - Rod Petrie had and still has an open door policy to the players, how can you expect someone to control the players and deal with them when all they do is head straight to Petries' office and welcomed with open arms!!

He made a huge mistake with John Collins and has made the same with John Hughes, John Hughes went to Rod Petrie after the debacle in the changing rooms at St Johnstone and asked for full control of the team including the punishments especially for the players who just either walked out of training or couldnt be bothered turning up on time. Rod Petrie refused point blank as he wanted to keep control. In my opinion this is wrong!! And this, from what i can gather was last straw for both parties.

Dont get me wrong the results just wasnt happening, but if you cant get the players to commit your on a losing battle staright away.

John Hughes is relieved its over and so is his family, i know for fact that his wife Bev was getting abuse in the street from so called 'Hibs Fans' and this in my opinion is disgusting.

15 months is no time for a manger, we should have weeded out the players who continually went behind his back and Rod should have told the players to piss off from his door and go see the manager!!!

I wish John all the best for his next appointment!!

[Pretty Boy]

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Agree 100% - Rod Petrie had and still has an open door policy to the players, how can you expect someone to control the players and deal with them when all they do is head straight to Petries' office and welcomed with open arms!!

He made a huge mistake with John Collins and has made the same with John Hughes, John Hughes went to Rod Petrie after the debacle in the changing rooms at St Johnstone and asked for full control of the team including the punishments especially for the players who just either walked out of training or couldnt be bothered turning up on time. Rod Petrie refused point blank as he wanted to keep control. In my opinion this is wrong!! And this, from what i can gather was last straw for both parties.

Dont get me wrong the results just wasnt happening, but if you cant get the players to commit your on a losing battle staright away.

John Hughes is relieved its over and so is his family, i know for fact that his wife Bev was getting abuse in the street from so called 'Hibs Fans' and this in my opinion is disgusting.

15 months is no time for a manger, we should have weeded out the players who continually went behind his back and Rod should have told the players to piss off from his door and go see the manager!!!

I wish John all the best for his next appointment!!

I was no fan of Yogi but IF the part in bold is true then some people need to take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror.

[StevieC]

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Allow the debt to approach £20m. Sell car park and all our players. We still have £6m debt. We now have an exec chairman and chief exec and for the last 3 seasons we have operating losses of £5m.

Of course it could be viewed that, knowing he had the car park and a crop of promising youngsters as back-up, he tried the "speculate-to-accumulate" route that supporters are always shouting about. I mean, even now you hear supporters shouting about spending big bucks to bring in a proven manager. Where do people think these "big bucks" come from? The answer is they don't, they are more than likely added to the debt.

And there may well have been operating losses but we were still in the market when Stokes became available, and we were also able to entice Deek back.
So not exactly sure what you are saying, to be honest? Should we be spending less on players and staff to stop the operating loses?

[GreenPJ]

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Agree 100% - Rod Petrie had and still has an open door policy to the players, how can you expect someone to control the players and deal with them when all they do is head straight to Petries' office and welcomed with open arms!!

He made a huge mistake with John Collins and has made the same with John Hughes, John Hughes went to Rod Petrie after the debacle in the changing rooms at St Johnstone and asked for full control of the team including the punishments especially for the players who just either walked out of training or couldnt be bothered turning up on time. Rod Petrie refused point blank as he wanted to keep control. In my opinion this is wrong!! And this, from what i can gather was last straw for both parties.

Dont get me wrong the results just wasnt happening, but if you cant get the players to commit your on a losing battle staright away.

John Hughes is relieved its over and so is his family, i know for fact that his wife Bev was getting abuse in the street from so called 'Hibs Fans' and this in my opinion is disgusting.

15 months is no time for a manger, we should have weeded out the players who continually went behind his back and Rod should have told the players to piss off from his door and go see the manager!!!

I wish John all the best for his next appointment!!

Am showing my ignorance here but what was the incident at St Johnstone in the changing rooms? Was this Saturday or following on from the 5-1 debacle?

I agree with your sentiments that RP should not provide an opportunity for players to go behind the managers back although sadly if you have lost the players (or at least some of the key ones) then its always easier to change one person (the manager) than it is to change half a team.

[allezsauzee]

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Calderwood has a good record. However, every club he's been at, the fans have hated him. I don't know if that's hoofball or his manner but nobody seems to like him despite over-achieving at Dunfermline, Aberdeen and Killie.

Don't think he'd be the right appointment even if he could replicate his successes here.

It's sad that our managerial appointments have to take into account the feelings of people who have next to zero experience in football and are edging ever closer to being labelled the "Worst fans in football", but the board have recognised this and have acted to appease these guys with Ex-player appointments.

Let's hope they can find somebody who is capable of doing a job but also passes the stringent "Good guy, **** test", put in place by the masses.

Good guy: Ex Hibs who didn't move to the OF. Non ex-OF who have strung a few wins together.
****: Ex-OF, Anybody who's not "Hibs class"

For over-achieving at Dunfermline and Aberdeen read over spending. Left both clubs with an inflated wage bill that subsequent managers had to deal with. Killie avoided relegation by a bawhair and I'm pretty sure he didnt improve their position.

[RIP]

Collins left 'cos he wasn't the boss

Mixu spoke in the Sun last month and said something similar about trying to work with his hands tied behind his back

Hughes - similar stories are coming out the woodwork

Time for Rod to retire from the playing side completely - he's screwing up every managerial appointment.

Time for more fans to take the rose-coloured specs off their eyes.

In everything to do with the football side of our business = Rod is not the solution

Our last 3 managers would be more likely to cite him as the problem

[matty_f]

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Collins left 'cos he wasn't the boss

Mixu spoke in the Sun last month and said something similar about trying to work with his hands tied behind his back

Hughes - similar stories are coming out the woodwork

Time for Rod to but out of the playing side completely - he's screwing up every managerial appointment.

Time for more fans to take the rose-coloured specs off their eyes.

In everything to do with the football side of our business = Rod is not the solution

Our last 3 managers would be more likely to cite him as the problem

That's nonsense. Collins walked after the club couldn't fund any more transfers. What was the outcome of Petrie's discussions with the players? Was Collins asked to tone it down, or were the players told to tow the line? I've read a lot of stuff about that period, but have never found an answer to that one.

Mixu exhausted his budget, and he was afforded a fair amount. What are we saying Petrie's input was in Mixu's time in charge, and how is that suggestion backed up?

Again, Yogi appeared to have divisions in his dressing room, how was this Petrie's fault, and where is the tangible evidence to show that he was the problem?

[hibee92]

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That's nonsense. Collins walked after the club couldn't fund any more transfers. What was the outcome of Petrie's discussions with the players? Was Collins asked to tone it down, or were the players told to tow the line? I've read a lot of stuff about that period, but have never found an answer to that one.

Mixu exhausted his budget, and he was afforded a fair amount. What are we saying Petrie's input was in Mixu's time in charge, and how is that suggestion backed up?

Again, Yogi appeared to have divisions in his dressing room, how was this Petrie's fault, and where is the tangible evidence to show that he was the problem?

everything's Petrie's fault... PETRIE!

I do agree with you though

And think Paul is talking complete Colin Nish, Petrie's definately the man for the job, if unsuccessful managerial appointments continue... maybe he should take a back seat in future appointment processes, but by all means he shouldn't be even considering leaving and would be sorely missed IMO