question for anyone planning on voting labour or tory in the election

[hibsbollah]

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how will upbringing, family, moral code and more benefit from an independent Scotland? Have they benefited from devolution?

You're flapping about You said 'identity' (as defined) "doesnt have an impact on day to day life", and "is way down on the list of Joe Public's list of priorities" . I'm saying you're wrong. Have you changed your mind?

[Beefster]

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You're flapping about You said 'identity' (as defined) "doesnt have an impact on day to day life", and "is way down on the list of Joe Public's list of priorities" . I'm saying you're wrong. Have you changed your mind?

It depends on how you're defining 'identity'. I took it differently, you clarified how you intended it, I accepted that and asked for some more justification.

In case you've missed it, I'm not actually arguing with you - only trying to get your views. Feel free to accuse me of 'flapping' if it helps though.

[hibsbollah]

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It depends on how you're defining 'identity'. I took it differently, you clarified how you intended it, I accepted that and asked for some more justification.

In case you've missed it, I'm not actually arguing with you - only trying to get your views. Feel free to accuse me of 'flapping' if it helps though.

OK, my position is that when people explain their position on independence from a solely economic position, it rings hollow because there are too many unknowns to know what the impact of independence would be on Scotlands fiscal or macroeconomic position. Debate it on the basis of your gut feeling. allmodcons makes a good job of it in the post above; he feels scottish core values chime more closely with his values than those of england, hence he supports independence. ( as it happens, you could make an argument for typical scottish virtues of conservatism and prudence, and Adam Smiths heritage chiming closely with traditional Tory values as well).

If you like the Union, say why you like it.

[Beefster]

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OK, my position is that when people explain their position on independence from a solely economic position, it rings hollow because there are too many unknowns to know what the impact of independence would be on Scotlands fiscal or macroeconomic position. Debate it on the basis of your gut feeling. allmodcons makes a good job of it in the post above; he feels scottish core values chime more closely with his values than those of england, hence he supports independence. ( as it happens, you could make an argument for typical scottish virtues of conservatism and prudence, and Adam Smiths heritage chiming closely with traditional Tory values as well).

If you like the Union, say why you like it.

It's not so much that I like the union per se. It's more that it's the way things are, it's working fine for Scotland (in my opinion) and without some sort of convincing argument for why we should separate, I don't see why.

If the nationalists want independence, they're going to have to convince the nation of the merits.

[New Corrie]

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It's not so much that I like the union per se. It's more that it's the way things are, it's working fine for Scotland (in my opinion) and without some sort of convincing argument for why we should separate, I don't see why.

If the nationalists want independence, they're going to have to convince the nation of the merits.

The fat Jambo tried that with his "arc of prosperity" and we all know what happened to that.

[Beefster]

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The fat Jambo tried that with his "arc of prosperity" and we all know what happened to that.

Salmond has scored a spectacular own goal......

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7082116.ece

Has barely sat in Westminster for years and will continue to be an MSP and First Minister, yet will accept in excess of £60,000 for 'retiring' as an MP.

Inexcusable.

[allmodcons]

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Salmond has scored a spectacular own goal......

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7082116.ece

Has barely sat in Westminster for years and will continue to be an MSP and First Minister, yet will accept in excess of £60,000 for 'retiring' as an MP.

Inexcusable.

Take off the blinkers and get real Beefster.

This is just the usual guff from the Unionist Times.

This is a guy who donates ALL of his MSP salary to a charitable trust and has already stated that a large portion of the Westminster £60,000 will go to the same trust.

Name one other MP/MSP who does this ?

If you want 'inexcusable' greed and corruption try the Tories/Labour at Wesminster. I seem to recall 1 or 2 or them are so corrupt they're facing charges.