Quote Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy View Post
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There is no long-term in football nowadays (at least not at the level we operate) - Bosman and reactionary fans have killed that stone dead.

Disagree.

In my opinion we should look to work on two or three year cycles - a long-term manager at Hibs nowadays has to mean medicority - if hes good hes off, if hes bottom six hes off - and if he isnt, his best players certainly will be.

Two or three years I dont even think a manager can get his own team in that time. But then again, on your model above he is showing us the same level of loyalty as we show them so we cant complain can we?

I think there is no point in pining after the stability panacea, for me stability should be the off-field cheif exec type stuff, and in that respect we are great.

My view is stability comes throughout the club. Do you think we are stable now just because we have a CEO and a load of directors?

On-field, i think stability is impossible when you are as far down the UK football food-chain as we (and every other SPL club) now are.

Agreed to an extent and never disputed.

So we should work within the realities of 21st century football, not the past.
Quote Originally Posted by Mikey View Post
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If the next manager is successful he'll be away in 18 - 36 months.

If the next manager is a disaster he'll be away in 18 - 36 months.

If the next manager is mediocre and keeps us around 4th or 5th in the league and regularly gets us to quarter finals of the cups he'll be here for the long term. Do you want that?

I guess on the above we could never have a negative thing to say about a manager that leaves for another club through his choice, as the above shows they will give us as much loyalty as we generally show them!?

Do you think finishing 4th is mediocre - what position do you think we should be finishing in?

Reaching a quarter final, is that were we would get to and then it would end? Very black and white for you, dont think that is a way that things can be assessed. There are plenty of mediocre managers and teams that have won trophies.

On your above you are effectively saying Yogis time in charge was worse than a disaster - do you really think so?
I think that you have both missed my point. Taking Mixu as an example hounded out in 12 months, did not really have time to bring in his own team (he did however bring in players like, Riordan, Murray and Bamba, three of our better players) alas whats the point, you end up with a miss match of different managers views on how a team should be shaped and what it should play and look like. Mixu has lived in Edinburgh for a long time now, family settled kids at school, what would stop him pledging long term to Hibs - the same could be said for Yogi. A six figure salary for managing a club in the city you are from versus the up-root and move away. Mixu going to Killie is perhaps an example of his desire to remain in Scotland.

Perhaps easy for me to say, and of course where there is one example of the above there will probably be 100 of the reverse.

My honest view is, and the above is my opinion, one of two more of Mikeys cycles and the Hibs job will be even less attractive than it is now - not exactly a foundation for the future.