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All the usual disclaimers about full facts not being known but I wouldn’t bet against this being some sort of feud over supply of drugs.
Prohibition is a disaster of a policy.
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I'm not sure why the BBC are electing not to name the victim when other media outlets are?
I'll play it safe and refrain from doing so. I knew his brother many years back when I was at school and met the victims a few times as well. I always liked him, we are going back 20+ years though so I suppose people's lives can go in all sorts of directions in that time.
The videos going about of him goading people to come try it obviously worked.
Maybe he didn’t think they’d actually come?
Killers still on the loose, think areas of Granton are still shut off as well.
Didn’t know the guy but know of the family and it’s safe to say they were always folk you knew to stay well clear of. Theres a couple of families in that area who are similar.
Sure both the brothers were also quite pally with Derek Riordan.
Regardless of why this all happened, it’s somebodies son/brother etc that has been senselessly killed. Very sad.
His brother had the flat above mine for a while, although I don't think I ever saw him there. Apparently he was wanted for something at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
When there was a tip-off about him being there, about 20 police descended on the block. He wasn't there, but there was a cupboard full of nasty things, allegedly.
It was then pointed out to the police that he and a rival had been hiding in plain sight....swapping threats and phone numbers on Bebo. :rolleyes:
Police also announce that a 39 year old man fighting for his life after being shot as well in same incident.
Police also saying this was an isolated incident and they don’t expect any repercussions. Really.
I'm never sure if the Police and press are just totally blind to what has been going on in Edinburgh for the last few years, are just trying to avoid panic in the areas unaffected by the ongoing events or are wilfully ignoring it for a more nefarious reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
There were 6 machete attacks in less than a week within 10 minutes of my house last year and they barely merited a mention in the EEN. That seems a pretty big story for a local paper but someone who didn't know the area is probably unaware it ever happened. The police comment amounted to 'isolated incidents and no cause for alarm among the wider community'. Aye, apart from the fact one of the attacks happened outside a budget supermarket in broad daylight when bairns were walking home from school. A few bams setting off fireworks and we have wall to wall coverage, increased police presence and politicians of all shades sticking their oars in. It doesn't add up.
And a murder in North Berwick of all places. Just round the corner from my mate. Appears to be a domestic.
The police and press seem to be playing these incidents down but the are becoming far more frequent. I think they have lost control now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
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Many moons ago, roughly about 30 yrs I was at a New Years party at Sighthill. My best mate brother in law was known for being one of the hardest in the area. I didn't realise I was in a house full of drugs & bampots. I like a game of cards & ended up playing £1 turnovers. I was about £60 down. My mate came over & said how you getting on. I cannae win £u3k all tonight I'm doon £60 ish. Now don't ask me what he done or how he done it but he dealt the cards. I got an Ace he got a King. My mate said to me let's get a drink & give the cards a miss for the rest of the night. Less than an hour later my mate says, I think it's time we leave. Outside he says you were playing cards with the wrong guy there. He stabbed someone in The Silver Wing over a game of cards & got sent to HMP. I'll never forget his name Jim Webley. They were even nutters back then.
Edinburgh is becoming more like London every day. Guns and violence are only going to increase. The thought of gun violence was unthinkable 15 years ago.
I moved out of Edinburgh 6 years ago and I’m incredibly glad.
Still plenty police in the area earlier today as I couldn't drive that way going to ER
Only London attracts more tourists than Edinburgh in the UK, I think it is played down by press and police for that reason, Edinburgh must rake in a load of money from tourists, you just have to look how gang violence is reported on in Glasgow, wall to wall gang wars, that never gets mentioned about what happens here even though everyone knows it’s happening, isolated incident, the police are taking the pee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
The violence in Edinburgh is pretty much self contained within criminal groups. If you have no connection to that world then you’re not join to be on the wrong end of shooting or machete attack unless there is a horrible mix up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
London on the other hand is an absolute battlefield where anyone can be and frequently do end being up the victim on daily bases. The two are not comparable IMO.
Pretty similar to Liverpool where recent events have shown that anyone can be caught up in the wars between rival gangs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
That'll be Farmfoods then. Right across the road from my sister and her 10 year old boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Wow having just watched the videos he posted days before, he certainly goaded someone to come and get him. Whether the person the videos were aimed at is responsible for his demise remains to be seen.
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Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee
Yeah that was reported in the DR and I found it weird.
As Silver and others have already mentioned, the number of these 'incidents' in and around Edinburgh has gone of the scale recently and it does look like the Police either aren't taking it seriously enough or have completely lost control.
Minutes before I think. He was posting on the night telling them where he was. Mental.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee
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It's been on the go for yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
Yeah much longer than 15 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
Gunshots tonight outside a Liverpool cinema......Quote:
Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...ocked-28386625
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Was posted few days before according to the Evening News. The fact he had a go in one of the videos at a well known Edinburgh crime boss was what sealed his fate. The crime boss was linked to the new guy who was with Webley's ex ( which is what started the whole thing).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Not a rare occurrence unfortunately, far too many carrying and using firearms with little or no regard as to the consequences. An AK47 was used apparently!Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMotta
Webley was due to stand trial for assaulting her at a kids' football match last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMotta
Just out of curiosity who’s the well known Edinburgh crime boss?
Daily Record reporting that there was a £20k bounty on Webley's heed. Also reporting that Police now have cctv footage of the gunman without his balaclava on.
£20k to be banged up for a long time isnt that great a deal really.
Since police scotland was formed its been a hopeless task.
A return to localised police forces is required would be nice to have police stations open 24hrs . Lothian and Borders police did a good job in stopping a lot of this
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Crime is down since Police Scotland was formed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
Beware of easy solutions, especially ones that hark back to a time and reality that never existed.
Not a defence of Police Scotland.
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I know a lot of the names involved in this are in the public domain but please avoid using them on here.
This is all a bit close to home and it's not something the admin team have any desire to have to deal with if there is fallout.
2 arrested in connection, 32yr old man and a 25yr old woman, car the police were looking for found in Craigentinny area, from evening news.
Heard from someone today, dunno if it’s true, that they used their own car.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
No the sharpest if that's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lendo
I’m pretty confident all involved are not the brains behind their respective organisations.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
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I took a nurse home from the Western today, down to W Pilton area and she said the same, it'll be some junky paid to do it, not clever enough to at least nick a car but used his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
There is a voice message doing the rounds on social media giving a detailed account about what happened on the night, from it would seem the guy had wanted a chat but things turned sour and obviously got out of hand, I would think the young lass has been used and wouldn’t surprise me if it’s her car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lendo
And I see the taunting continues on social media, think the police may have to reconsider that this was an isolated incident, even more so if the other guy who was shot may have been an innocent bystander.
third person arrested, 33 year old woman
My lad sent me this message, details all what happened, got to think why he turned up for a chat with a gun though.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
"You Can Get Further With A Kind Word And A Gun Than You Can With Just A Kind Word.". Al Capone.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
Can only assume he thought he'd not be the only one with a gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibby70
So different to the world 99% of us live in.
Incident in Muirhouse Parkway earlier this evening, hit and run, just seen a video think from a doorbell, deliberate attack, car drives over person twice, not saying it’s connected to this thread but just put in here.
Man has been arrestedQuote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news...after-28996529
Edinburgh Live in a nutshell:Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
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Edinburgh man, 61, arrested after police hunt following emergency at housing estate
Police Scotland have said that a 63-year-old man was traced and arrested in connection with a crash.
To be fair to them, they were very quick in breaking the initial news. That helped locals put some perspective on the police activity.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Very sad circumstances in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Seems the turf wars are kicking off again, shooting incident, fire bombing and houses being attacked.
Firearm discharged in Niddrie the other morning as well. 5 minutes walk from my bairns school but the Police insist they have it all under control and no threat to the wider public so that's my mind at ease:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
There is a threat to the wider public if next time, some innocent person happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time or they get the wrong house, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news...&sfnsn=scwspwa
Shot fired in West Pilton.
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Originally Posted by silverhibee
I wonder if the media speculations for the reasons behind this are true?
I wonder if the budget police Scotland have for dealing with this matches operation branch form?
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So the beauty salon petrol bombed in Leith the owner was Mark Richardsons ex girlfriend, the warehouse set ablaze in Musselburgh was her Dads and the car garage on Milton road set ablaze, the owner is an old guy so unsure if theres a connection to the others.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by overdrive
The police line sounds more hollow every time they say it. They lost any kind of control of the situation about a decade ago.
It was only a couple of years ago we had to walk past a guy bleeding profusely outside the Farmfoods next to the Duddingston Fry after he was attacked with a machete a couple of hours after the same happened to two others up Old Dalkeith Road and a few hours before a guy was nailed to the floor and attacked with a machete in Granton. The former never even made the paper and the Police described the middle one as an 'isolated incident'😅😅
The police are starting to say this a lot after these incidents, the shooting in Niddrie and the statement ended with no threat to the wider public, how can they say that when there has been attacks near enough every night for a week and then a shooting in Pilton, I would say right now there is a threat to the public as some innocent will be caught up like they were at the Anchor incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
The two shootings are being linked to associates of MR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bridge hibs
I was driving down Old Dalkeith Road earlier and noticed police tape cordoning off the driveway of a premises with police officers stationed outside. I’ve not seen any incident there reported anywhere but a photograph of said premises has been used by the BBC halfway down their article. A quick google suggests the property is owned by a prominent operator of private hires in the Capital. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g7wp45nz6o
Certainly a move on MR empire, seemingly moved prison after being served a Osman along with associates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee
Just read another article which mentioned the premises is associated with MR.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
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What’s an Osman?Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
Its a Police code/warning that there is a threat to your lifeQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
House firebombed in Hay Drive this morning.
Isolated incident, no threat etc etc😅😅😅
There is a huge police presence in the city, unmarked and marked cars everywhere pulling people over, looks like they are trying to disrupt things by flooding the streets of uniforms and stop these folk moving about, the police down Muirhouse Pilton is of the scale right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
This isn’t about drugs or a stash going missing, I think it’s pretty obvious now.
It is just for show though or are they actually doing something about it? Haven’t heard much from Police Scotland on actual arrests?Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
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There was a low flying helicopter hovering around over Wallyford last night around 9pm. Seems this is all over the Lothians now. Was out on the school run earlier and there were a couple of police cars driving about the local area which is unusual as I can't remember the last time I seen polis during the day around here.
I suppose it depends on the size of the stashQuote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
I must have led a sheltered life, didn't know this existed in Edinburgh. Just reading more about it and seems it's drugs related and a new gang trying to muscle in.
I was over at Fort Kinnaird last night around midnight.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Exile
Multiple Police cars were chasing a small black car around the retail park.
Thought I heard the helicopter but couldn't see it in the skies.
Hewn be spitting at a Hibs reception again - doh mistaken identity ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
Is that Portuguese you’re speaking here? 🤷*♂️Quote:
Originally Posted by Viva_Palmeiras
Bleeping predictive text making me look like a horse again ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tamig
Neigh….your good.[emoji6][emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by Viva_Palmeiras
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https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news...rdson-31329004
Still rumbling on it seems.
Interesting that Edinburgh Live are doing as much as they can to identify the person in question, without actually naming him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop Hibee
I'm not sure Edinburgh Live knows where Edinburgh is!Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedy
I wonder what football mob he was “top boy” off 🤔Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedy
If the guy is 31, when was this football mob activity meant to have taken place?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bridge hibs
I assumed he was a young prodigy in the Green Street EliteQuote:
Originally Posted by tamig
That’s very hard to believe, the press/media have been shocking during this, they basically put a hit list of folk in Edinburgh in the papers, at one point I thought they were doing the work of Glasgow gangsters by naming them, but no one is going to Dubai to sort anyone out that’s for sure, the folk in Dubai will be under pressure from the cartels to see who pays for the shipment at the fruit market, this is the blame game not for counterfeit money being used.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop Hibee
Thought that was strange. The deal with Dubai is they turn a blind eye to the money laundering and won’t extradite you there so long as you don’t bring the violence there as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
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Same house in Niddrie firebombed again this morning.
****ing hell !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Making the police and media look stupid after there comments yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Clever though, petrol bomb a house thats already been petrol bombed. That wont be the wannabe gangsters that are doing it, the patsies will have been offered a few bags of snort with the promise they wont get ridden to death in jail.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
https://news.sky.com/story/bluesky-13350546
Police Scotland still drawing a blank.[emoji849]
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The Police can’t even catch teens who are out of control, never mind actual organised crime groups.
Happy to spend £2m+ on operation branchform though while gangsters are running round armed to the teeth. Whoever is running Police Scotland is a joke. Or worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve20
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Police raid, 3 arrested.
Maybe the beginning of a crackdown.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g4j6e1edqo
There was a fire raising in Craiglockhart which has probably motivated somebody at Police HQ to get off their arse and do something. Fine when it's just the plebs impacted but if it moves into more gentrified areas..........Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
I thought quite a few had already been arrested. Watching the Daniel Kinahan program on iplayer I was surprised how nuts it was, were small scale compared to Ireland
They are involved in this as they are in just about every part of Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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Yeah the program goes into that, a European supercartel. Absolute jakes. All the boxers are complicit bigging up these gimpsQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It’s a great doc if anyone interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...irelands-mafia
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Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I don't think it's coincidental that RTE's drama about the drug scene in Ireland was called Kin :greengrin
Enjoyed Kin but think Love/Hate is much better. Similar genre. [emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
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You bet they are, they want there payment for the shipment that was caught in Glasgow and I would hazard a guess they are putting pressure on JS to get the money and he is using a group from Edinburgh to do the dirty work to force payments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Street in the south of the city has six police cars there just now, four outside a block of flats while the other two are blocking either end of street. No idea if it's linked to the nonsense that's going on in Edinburgh at the moment
I'm sure it won't make much of a difference to your theory but it was nowhere near Craiglockhart, was over towards Greenbank area. Dunno how it was reported as Craiglockhart, that's like saying Hearts play at Murrayfield (OK, they did a couple of times 🫣).Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
It's in the posh houses where the City Hospital used to be, so one could claim either. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by speedy_gonzales
I'm still struggling to call that Craiglockhart, it's closer to Firrhill than Craiglockhart, nae posh hooses there (unless you come from Oxgangs 🫣).Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod