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Well said Joe.
Brilliant.
Good on him coming out and saying it, not many would but he’s 100% spot on.
I’m really looking forward to seeing the end result of this transitional period - since I started going in the late 70’s it’s felt like we’ve been told to be patient while we are in a transitional period for whats felt like a lot of that time!
He has a point. Look at the team versus Cove, two guys playing their first ever game for the club and a midfield player on the right of a back three, all of them adapting to a new style of play. That against opposition on a 15 game unbeaten run who were clearly a better team than the league they are in, that was evident after about 15 minutes.
OK every fan, including me, can get disgruntled during the game at poor play or the ball not being played forward fast enough and have a moan ... but booing the team off at half time and full time is just totally unhelpful .... I just don't see the point of it.
Cove are a tough act as I'm sure many will find out in the seasons to come. You don't encourage your team by booing.
Credit to Hibs for persevering.
There is of course an section of the ground where folks can go, vent their spleen and if they wish hurl abuse at Hibs players.it’s called the Away End. Perhaps some folks need to reflect.
He better not come on here after a defeat 😂
But seriously he is spot on , jeering your own team is brutal
Always got annoyed at the boos for "passing it backwards", especially so now. A good example would be Aberdeen. Started off slow, but after a period of adjustment, they started winning games again, playing considerably more attractive football than last season. I think we will get there under Maloney, I'd rather we lost trying to play football properly than lose by hoofing it and hoping for the best.
He said that about as well as he could have done. Don't see how anyone can argue with that, regardless of how well you think the team or individuals played.
It's all very well and I agree with Joe, but our team should be more than good enough to be winning consistently without needing to spend a while adapting to a playstyle that may not even work.
If we lose the next 3, but the manager says we're improving and showing signs, will folk be happy? I definitely won't.
Joe makes a very good point absolutely brutal to be moaning when trying to pass the ball especially when we go back to go forward. Quite a fundamental change and fans need to show a bit of patience however usually in short supply at ER.
If passed the ball forward now and again the boos might stop.
This is getting out of hand now - if folk say it often enough they start believing it. Did you miss the match on Thursday?Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
What happens when a player can’t pass the ball forward ? Or what would you do as a coach ?Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
No I had the miss fortune of watching the full 120 minutes. Against DU and Aberdeen we were quickly moving the ball forward in nice triangles. Against Celtic and Cove back to the sideways stuff. Only difference from Ross is we are trying to play the ball out from the back. Try is the word as we were often putting ourselves in trouble. Who did not play against DU and Aberdeen but played against Celtic and Cove? There is part of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
generic tropes like this really pull this site down …no openness to actually reflect on the important point of what a player is saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
This nonsense about Newell not passing the ball forward was started by someone who doesn't have a clue about football and continued on by those with a similar knowledge of the game.
Well try passing the ball forward then ! :greengrin
Never understand booing our own team. Does absolutely no good at all.
It does indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
He clearly explains why things are a bit of a struggle just now as the players adapt to a new manager.
Why some people choose to respond to this with a smarterse remark is beyond me.
Drivel. Loads of forward passes - it was really noticeable. Repeating stuff like this helps no one - particularly with it not being true.Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
You must've watched the game with your eyes closedQuote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
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You punt it into the channel I think?Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenCastle
It is rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
Newell was as forward looking as any other player against Cove. He was always trying to put Hibs on the front foot.
I suppose if you're waiting to moan about, or expect, a backwards pass, that's what you'll see, but that's not a charge that can be laid at Newell's door on Thursday.
What some folk failed to remember is that while we in the stands with our heightened point of view can see more of the pitch than the players that are on it…. Sometimes the only obvious pass is backwards or sideways, or sometimes it’s the only safe option that they can see… it’s easy sitting a few rows up to see other players but from ground level it’s a lot more difficult.
Rightly or wrongly when Hibs need extra time to beat a part time side from two divisions below us at home then fans will get a bit annoyed. Also not helped by it being a cold January night and I'm afraid the players need to accept that.
Is it helpful? No. However fans from all over the world use booing as the way to show their displeasure at what they are watching and I don't see that changing. Newell himself accepts in that article that a team of our quality should have been putting in a better performance and getting a better result.
That's fair, but blaming Newell for being negative on Thursday is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
He may have a point but at least these fans were there.
It was Cove, and we were pretty gash for most of the game, as we have been for most of the season.
It was a tiny bit of booing ffs.
It’s happening far too often though. I think I’ve actually booed Hibs at half time twice in the 40 odd years I’ve been going to see them, i just couldn’t control my frustration. But it seems to be the done thing now simply if we’re not winning at Halftime or if the play isn’t particularly exciting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
A roundabout way of saying "A've paid ma money Ah can do what Ah want." which is up there with the worst tropes of football "supporters".Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
My issue with what I saw at the Cove game, was there seemed to be a complete lack of attacking ambition and creativity when our midfield were on the ball.
Cove were obviously sitting deep aiming to soak up the pressure, but there wasn’t a great deal of it coming their way. Newell and Campbell sat in a line, and seemed afraid to take any risks passing and moving forward. There was plenty times when Mueller and Henderson got themselves in a little space between the midfield and defence, but instead the ball was held onto and then cycled back to a centre back or full back. I can’t remember the last time I seen bursting run forward from midfield or a fast triangle/3rd man run from a Hibs team.
I hope Maloney is able to instil the confidence in these players (or find new players who can) to take a risk at times and to pass and move. I do prefer Hibs teams that keep the ball as opposed to the Jack Ross tactic of constant punts into the channels but if we are dominating the ball, we should be creating plenty of chances aswell, which just hasn’t been the case. All my opinion/perspective ofc.
There was a clear difference from half time onwards in that Cove were never in the game, it was all Hibs. Newall in particular took the game by the balls and got us up the park more often than not; thats what he does best IMO, taking the ball in tight areas and pressing forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarMan10
What we really lacked IMO was Porteous pushing out from the back and squeezing them, like he did several times against Dundee United.
Some fans were there but they weren't supporting the team. I think if I was a player I'd prefer even less folk watching but them being supportive.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
There hasn't been one since SJM leftQuote:
Originally Posted by StarMan10
I didn’t even think the booing was that bad. Certainly nothing that really merits being talked about in the press. All my life, if Hibs are drawing at home to a part time League 1 team over the course of 90 minutes, the players would be getting stick. It’s nothing new and whether we’re in transition or not won’t change that.
I think part of the issue is that Cove are a far better side than their name represents. Cove are a far better side than Falkirk for instance, but if we'd played Falkirk I think the reaction would have been less harsh.
I said at half time at the Celtic game the midfield going back the way all the time was doing my head in so I feel like I’m partly responsible for creating this monster.
Absolutely nothing wrong with going back the way if you’re doing it at the right times. If there’s nothing on ahead of you, go back and move it quickly across the pitch until you find space ahead. I think we did that quite well against Cove at times. I don’t think we did it well against Celtic and there were plenty times when Newell could have been a bit braver in going forward instead of giving the easy ball back the way.
I thought our fans were complete ********s on Thursday too so I’m pleased Newell has mentioned it. People around me were completely unbearable, always people who seem to talk the most ***** talk it the loudest.
I’m sorry but that’s wrong about the fans. We made our way out on a freezing January night for a game live in council tv. The fans that went were hardcore and if they want to boo then boo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
Let’s have honest, it’s a bit of deflection from any player mentioning booing. And Joe, when you receive the ball, stop taking 5/6 touches. If you’re sharper with ball at your feet and start attacks quicker, out tempo would be higher.
Booing the team at half time/ full time, I have no problem with that if they have been gash.
It’s the folk who single out individual players and pleasure themselves by giving it abuse from the onset that annoys me.
That last sentence is so true.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Your lack of awareness of what he brings to the team negates the rest of your post in my eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by loanheadhibby
I'd say he was as negative as he normally is on thursday in the first half, but in the 2nd half he was very good at driving on, taking the ball and instead of his usual first though of looking backwards, he took the ball in on the half turn and looked the other way, sometimes i wonder if he realises we are trying to go forward and try and create chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
The 2nd half and extra time showd me how well he can play, how well he can pick a forward pass, and just how comfortable he is doing it.
If i saw him play that way more often, i'd not have a problem with him in the team at all.
I said “some fans”. Some folk think supporting the team is giving them verbal abuse. It’s a strange way to go about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by loanheadhibby
We have alot more of the ball now and a much more patient approach because of this than under Ross.
Ross was very much knock it about then try hit Boyle or a striker to flick it on to him. It wouldn’t work all the time so then the opposition had easier possession against us and we always seemed to back off into two banks and be compact.
Under Maloney we make it much more difficult for the team to get the ball, the longer they’re running about pressing us the more tired they get as we try and move them about. Of course because we have more of the ball than previously there will be more backward passes.
But I’d rather we have the ball and recycle it well then the opposition having it and pinning us back.
Now under Maloney when the opposition win it we try get it back as quick as possible and have a high line to stop attacks.
The first two wins against Aberdeen and Dundee United were huge, I’m sure Aberdeen hadn’t lost in a while prior to that and both teams were above us. Celtic is a different kettle of fish but once we settled we looked ok albeit without creating much which Maloney said himself we need to improve on.
Cove was then the exact opposite standard wise than Celtic and although frustrating at times if the linesman was any good at his job we would have been 2-0 up within half an hour.
Everyone gets frustrated at times but let’s stick with it, I think we’ll be better for it.
I’ll also add Maloney has had a pretty hard task picking teams with the injuries and suspensions we’ve had.
Never jeered or booed, never seen the point of it. I've had a bloody good moan about performance in the concourse with my mates but always tried to cheer them on.
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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
Looking back I agree with this
Agree with a lot of what he’s saying. We as fans need to step up. A lot of the excuses for not going aren’t there anymore…
Jack Ross - Gone
Expensive tickets - Cove was £10
Uninspiring football - We’re clearly on a journey to implement an attractive style
Covid - fair enough there’s a lot of people that will be rightly anxious about this. But for the majority life is near enough back to normal.
Let’s get back in the habit of backing the boys and creating a better atmosphere! It’s a chicken and egg scenario, create a better atmosphere, they will play better with more intent.
There’s definitely more negativity about at the moment. I had to turn off a podcast last night because Macey was getting absolutely slated. I genuinely don’t see what he’s done wrong. As Colin on Longbangers always says, if he goalies were good with their feet they wouldn’t be goalies.
We all criticise and have a moan from time to time but ffs let’s do it with A bit class and decorum.
I also agree with his comments. In the same vein, I have never seen the point of some of the threads on here that start with an individual player's name who may have a poor game in one of the team's fixtures.
Both the team and the players are far more likely to respond to encouragement than criticism.
Yes, sometimes criticism is valid (we're all guilty) but there are times its best to say nothing at all.
Do arguments about which direction a ball is passed really require a high level of football knowledge?Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Yep, in my opinion that’s what it’s all about. I’m there to support each of the boys who are wearing my jersey, naturally away from the game I’ll dissect and moan about performances.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
Butcher's team didn't pass the ball backwards very often. Must have been great.
It shouldn't but it feels like some folk think you should never pass sideways or backwards. Not a high level of knowledge required but some would help.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
Agree with this. Can only imagine what the reaction will be like when Macey makes a mistake. It's like some are actively campaigning against the guy (on here and twitter as well).Quote:
Originally Posted by 18Craig75
And goalies wouldn't be in goals if they were good at football. :greengrin
Not Hibs related, but at a non-league match in Hampshire an opposition player made a nasty remark to one of our elderly supporters. Three of us proceeded to spend the rest of the first half having a go at him. His performance dropped dramatically and he cost his team 3 goals.
My point being that in smaller crowds such as the Cove game players can hear supporters. So if we must boo a player at least make it an opposition one and do what the name suggests and be a supporter to our own team.
In any case, there's plenty opportunity to moan on here without dispiriting Hibs players.
Not at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
I wasn't there and have never come out with the line you mention.
Why do you always look to have a dig at folk you don't agree with?
I don't always have a dig at people; where you're getting that from I have no idea?Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
You said "at least they were there", to me that reads that they turned up, so can shout and boo if they want.
Likewise. I think some people forget there is another team on the pitch and that no matter how lowly they are, they are going to do their best to stop us scoring. This includes preventing us passing and finding space. Paul Hartley is an experienced Coach who would have worked out how to frustrate us and stop us progressing.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
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Not if it means no risk football, 80% ineffective possession and a 0-0 draw. Sometimes you have to take risks even though it won't always come off and you lose possession. I want to see my team taking risks and playing exciting football. Risks are exciting, even when they don't come off 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
I'm not with the booing but I do think there is a degree of justification for the propensity of some players (not just Newell) too often to immediately pass it backwards or sideways and not make any effort to get in a better position for a return pass. JDH is more guilty of this than Newell. Too often he'll hit an easy backward/sideways pass and just stay put or trot in a marked position. What that usually means is the play making shifts to one of the defenders.
I respect your opinion. However if he is to be the pivot in the side, he’ll need to sharpen up his touches on the ball. The transition from defence to attack will be determined by whoever plays in centre midfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by flash
If we are playing thru the lines, Joe will need to transition quicker from defence to attack or SM will replace him with someone who can.
You simply did not watch the match if you think Newell was the problem. You mightve been there, but you didn't watch it. Ran the show, especially 2nd half. Dozens of forward passes.Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
Not a high level, no, but then I never said high level. You just made that bit up.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
To be honest, I’ve no issues with fans booing. It was atrocious on Thursday night and they let the team know. In 42 years going to ER, it’s been a constant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
In the semi v Falkirk the players were booed on to the field after half time. It’s sink or swim time. Use it as fuel to show fans what you can do.
That's where I am even if I rarely join in with the booing. That HT/FT stuff is pantomime and it's certainly not a new phenomenon, I can remember it as a child and it still goes on now, that's at least 30 years it's been happening and plenty former players would back that up as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
I've never got the absolute bile aimed at individuals though. The odd 'FFS Hibs' or similar is totally understandable but there are definitely a minority who single players out early doors and are on their case for 90+ minutes. One person doing it probably goes unnoticed but it doesn't take more than a few dozen in a crowd of 10K for it to become really audible and that's what we see most weeks at ER.
I agree to an extent but 1st half he was ponderous when he got the ball. He was taking 5/6 touches and then passing it to Hanlon/Hallberg. That allowed Cove to get everyone behind the ball and set up defensively.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
He was much better/sharper in last 25 mins/ET. I’m not sure if that was him upping the tempo or if Cove started to tire. I suspect a bit of both.
[QUOTE=J-C;6830873]Never jeered or booed, never seen the point of it. I've had a bloody good moan about performance in the concourse with my mates but always tried to cheer them on.
I'm with you on this 100%. There's supposedly a word for what we do, we are supporters! Booing your own team can never be described as being supportive! Well said Joe and by the way I'm not his biggest fan but I thought he was excellent last week & made plenty forward passes including his Scottyesque pass to Doig, who should have scored.
😂😂😂 you defo sit and booQuote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
So you're implying that he NEVER passes the ball forward?Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
I think you would find that he passes forward when he sees a forward pass as an option. Perhaps you could ask the other players in his team to actually move into positions where he can find them with a pass. Sometimes the opposition close down and press so well that there is no forward pass option so you need to keep possession until there is. Not saying Joe picks the right option every time but what player does?
Bit simplistic maybe but better than hopeful punts forward and hope for the best.
See, this is what I was thinking, I have being going to watch Hibs since I was a kid, my dad would take me as a young boy to ER and I really can’t remember it being like this, after the Athens game we moved to the North stand, my dad was getting on a bit and my son was to young to be in the East, better view from the FF stand but the nastiness directed towards players was over the top and the 1st time I really noticed this behaviour, there was a few older chaps behind us who would give the players pelters and boo them when mistakes were made and a few times I would tell them to shut it and back the players, it seemed to make them worse and others would join in with them, you can’t take them all on, when my dad passed away me and my son moved to to the West, things were a lot worse in the west stand, a lot of folk who thought they new everything about football and how they could do better and boo give abuse to the team, I can remember one game under Calderwood and it was really bad, was sitting next to family members of Nishy and it was embarrassing for them, I lost it that day when a group were screaming at a player to move his arse and being accused of being lazy but it was so obvious the player was injured and at times couldn’t even keep himself onside but this group shouted all sorts of abuse and booed the player, I challenged them and pointed out that player was injured but they knew better, once I started climbing chairs to get to them they seemed to back down and tell me to calm down, they had been at it for a number of games and were getting away with it, I was raging with them, but my wee rant seemed to stop them from giving abuse, it’s the folk who dish it out and think they could do better that are the problem, these players have worked so hard in life from a very young age to make it as pro footballers and yet they are getting booed by folk who don’t play football, players will always make mistakes if it was to be all perfect then football would be so boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Maloney has only been here a few games and the knives are been sharpened already, it’s f***ing madness and sad that we have a player come out already to address the nonsense coming from the stands already, SUPPORT the team, that’s what fans are meant to do.
Eh?? That's just a mad interpretation of that I said!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
The crowds at ER have getting worse and worse recently.
I think the fact that folk were there is pretty decent, I was acknowledging that. There were plenty folk moaning about the lack of fans for example.
I'm not into booing players, but i think they should be able to handle it from a small proportion of a such small crowd.
What do boos actually achieve? Or just the plain abuse some players are subjected to?
Booing is generally counter-productive. It gets said so many times but some folk don’t seem to understand that basic point.
However there was a moment in the second half when either Joe or JDH received the ball, turned back towards our goal, got booed and then immediately turned back again towards the opposition. May have been a coincidence but it made me chuckle.
More specifically, anyone who wanted JR out can stfu for at least a couple of months. You wanted change and got it, so do everyone a favour and at least give the new management team a chance to put their ideas into practice.
Agreed - there's so often that folk get agitated about backwards passes, and I do too if there's a better option further up the park.Quote:
Originally Posted by CockneyRebel
But if there's not, and our players choose to recycle the ball rather than lump it aimlessly, then that's a good thing.
I laugh sometimes when the team are booed off at ht, and cheered when they come back on😂
I’m not a booer myself
A guy who has excelled in the EPL and is being widely touted for a £50m move to Man Utd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hillsidehibby
Hard to imagine why we might be lacking that sort of player.
On a thread centered on the discussion around booing players its not a mad interpretation IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
Anyway, I don't want to argue with you for fear of being accused of picking fights with people - something only you seem to have picked up on - so I'll take my interpretation of you said and leave it at that.
That gets me every time too, just don’t understand it at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
He’ll play a forward pass when he has the opportunity, but it never really seems to be his first thought or instinct.Quote:
Originally Posted by CockneyRebel
I think a lot of frustration with Newell is that he can do more. I think the ability is there but we get nowhere near enough out of him.
Maybe we should adopt the Barca approach and wave white hankies instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
You can’t beat a good boo every now and again. Let’s the frustration out. Granted doesn’t help anyone but it’s a release of tension.
Could be that grown married men shouting abuse at players gives them solace from the hen pecking they receive indoors :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
I mean it is quite funny but I guess it puts the point across that the display in the first half was deemed unacceptable but we still have your back kind of thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
I feel the Booing versus Cove was merited, I didn't expect us to stroll it but we really struggled at times. It was hard going.
Is it not when the team is struggling that the supporters are really needed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatecrasher
I found the half-time booing a little bit embarrassing. Same for some of the absolute nonsense that a chap a few seats from me was spouting pretty much the whole game.
As people have mentioned, we had a bit of a makeshift team while the Cove team is clearly a lot better than League 1 level and is very well organised.
As for the style of play, it's clear that we are trying to retain possession and build attacks through the team. Inevitably that means going backwards and sideways at times while looking for opportunities to get in behind teams. It's obvious to me that some people who go to the football don't realise that part of the build-up play is designed to draw opponents out of their defensive set-up in order to create goalscoring opportunities - particularly with teams like Cove who put a lot of bodies behind the ball.
Anyway, I'm glad Joe has spoken up and I hope that people listen.
The game was torture we had no penetration with the possession.
I did not boo the team but Malloney will not get long if this style continues.
Am all for ball retention but FFS that style against Cove was shocking
Nisbet gets a hard time he is coming so deep as the ball seems to be just outside or 18 yard box or does it have to MTRS in the wok world Get him between the post where most goals are scored :)
I think there is a difference from having a go at things on social media platforms than actually being at the game and dishing it out, players will very seldom come on .net and think, well they experts know what they are talking about and I should listen to them, most will probably think we are talking s***e and know nothing about being a pro footballer, some players can handle the abuse dished out at games and it won’t affect them but there will be others who struggle with it and when playing will play the safe ball ( sideways or backwards) rather than being adventurous because if it doesn’t come of for then the boo boys are on to them and it will affect the confidence for rest of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
The team and coaching staff will need a bit time to implement things, it won’t happen overnight but just reading on here you can see that some folk have already made there minds up about our new manager and how he wants the players to play his style, which is madness.
Im sure he will if he continues to win 3 out of 4, only losing away to Celtic.Quote:
Originally Posted by happiehibbie
Newell has come out and asked the fans for a wee bit patience . Sharing the challenge of changing the way the play and bedding in different players . He understands a fans frustration but is simply asking for a bit more support and patience during this transition period, as it can be unhelpful at times.
Yet, some fans on here come on and just justify the booing. We’ve got to have some of the grumpiest and least supportive supporters in our league …
This simply isn't true. While elements of the game were frustrating, we did have chances to score.Quote:
Originally Posted by happiehibbie
We had a perfectly good goal ruled offside in the first half and two other on-side breakthroughs ruled out during the game. Doidge had a superb overhead kick saved. We put numerous dangerous balls through the box from wide areas and Mueller and Nisbet both had very good chances in the game.
Personally, I think much of the displeasure came from the attitude that it was 'only Cove Rangers' when, in fact, they're a pretty decent team.
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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
I think that says it all. You don't always know if a forward pass is on or not before you receive the ball. Then you have to collect and keep the ball, then you have to see if a pass is on because most times he is getting the ball with an opposing player right up his jacksie so a twist or turn is needed to give him time and room to actually make a pass never mind deciding which direction it's going. His ability to twist and turn to win and keep the ball and get the player off his ass is quite consistent but when he looks up to make the pass is when his options appear. A lot of forward passing is just educated guesswork as to where a team mate is going to find space or make a forward run. When this come off it gets applause and when it flops it gets pelters. Most of these types of forward passes are intercepted by defenders using their experience to read the play and shut avenues down or at least give the guy a hard time. Side ways and backward passing is used by most teams, including international sides, until a way forward looks on. That is the way of the game for the foreseeable future so like it or not it will be around for a while yet.
None of the above is a revelation, it is now basic and occurs in most games and my interpretation of events is, of course, just an opinion.
Don’t think we’re any different to any other teams in the league, especially in that type of game. Go to Ibrox and Parkhead and it takes them about 15 minutes to start getting on their players backs if they’re not winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
Good players don’t wait to get the ball then take six touches and 10 seconds to figure out what they’re doing. I’m not saying Newell does that every time he has it, but too often it doesn’t move quick enough. Backwards and sideways is fine when required, shouldn’t be the first thought which I often think it is and it’s a big reason that we’ve struggled for goals relatively often. It’s not about him (or whoever else is playing in there) playing a defence splitting pass every time we get it but it needs to get in to the final third quicker.Quote:
Originally Posted by CockneyRebel
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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
Not sure about that - I think there is a booing mentality in our fans at games , and online, which tops most others . There may be exceptions but I can’t identify many. Celtic fans are largely great at supporting their team from the stands in my experience, particularly when they are in a hole .
My main point though was the reaction to the plea for help from Newell, being met with justification of the lack of support.
Exactly, well said, totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE
Typical example of threads on Hibs.net at the moment (and probably since day one). Posters take alternative views then bore the pants of fellow posters trying to defend their view.
The reality is somewhere in between. Newell, as typical of many of today's midfielders, has that ability to pass the ball straight back to where the ball came from. It frustrates the hell out of me, but is obviously the right thing to do when he's being closed down. However, I feel there are occasions when he could turn, look up and see what's on, but instead takes the 'safe' option. The more people 'boo' the more likely he'll take the safe option.
With Newell, there are many occasions when he does turn, look up and helps us drive forward and I think he is generally good at doing that. I just wish he would do that more often.
If it ain't Booing I ain't going.
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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
We have struggled for goals yes! Goal chances no! Poor officials and poor finishing more to blame than Joe's passing.
Celtic fans are great at supporting them when they’re winning. Lost their first cup tie in four years last season and they were chasing the team bus down the road, at a time when they weren’t even allowed in to the game!Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
Ultimately, I don’t think folk really need to justify booing. If they want to they can and if they don’t want to they won’t. Think folk generally call what they see, Maloney’s first game being a good example. Wasn’t pretty, not many there but got right behind them because they felt there was something worth getting behind.
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Originally Posted by theonlywayisup
But the bit in bold is the key thing. Its counterproductive.
Absolutely no chance that is true. All over the world, fans boo their team if they are not performing. Certainly not any worse at ER than other grounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
I wonder what the reaction to this would be if it was Nisbet doing the interview. People are literally falling over each other ripping into him.
If it's not entertaining some of the support will boo - the club can't complain as they sacked Ross for similar.
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Originally Posted by bigwheel
Celtic fans are laden with success.
Celtc fans last year weren't getting behind their side good or bad. That's for sure.