Like what I've seen of him so far...pulled off decent saves with not a lot to do in last 2 Cup ties...I think we may have a ready made replacement for Rocky tbh...command's his box a bit better than Rocky does too
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Like what I've seen of him so far...pulled off decent saves with not a lot to do in last 2 Cup ties...I think we may have a ready made replacement for Rocky tbh...command's his box a bit better than Rocky does too
Played well today, 2 good saves considering he had nothing of note to do until then.
They tried to make a big deal of the cross he dropped but it was an awkward one and he had 2 men pressuring him. A bit of a scary moment but no big deal, it happens.
I’m not convinced by him at all. Not sure why but I’m just not.
He’s not done anything of note wrong I just think he doesn’t look the most mobile and there’s been one or two free lve thought his positioning at free kicks has been suspect.
Fine for a back up keeper but he’d be a downgrade on Marciano as first choice IMO.
Strange opinion and hyper critical imo but guess we shall see...in the 4 games he's played he's done very little wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Much too early to really make a judgement, but can’t fault him for his performances so far.
Think he got his positioning wrong for the goal against Celtic at parkhead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Borderhibbie76
There was a goal in a league game shortly after I thought he could have done better with and same applies to the goal he lost at Queen of the south.
By no means obvious mistakes and you’re right, I’m maybe being over critical.
I just think in Marciano we have a really top notch match winner as a keeper, I don’t think Macey is in the same league as him.
I think it would be very difficult to get a keeper as good as Marciano on our budget.
So far Macey has looked decent, and the rumour is that he's been offered a deal for next season which would mean he's showing enough in training.
Wish he was playing in our LC Semi v Saints, he’d have been much more commanding in dealing with their crosses into our box I reckon.
No there wasn't. Hes only lost 1 league goal, the Celtic one. You really blame the goalie for losing a goal 1 on 1?Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
You aren't being over critical, you are being ridiculous IMO. He's been good.
From what little we've seen of Macey I think he's worth offering at least a 12 month deal.
Obviously it wouldn't necessarily mean he'd be the number 1 as we'll be looking for a replacement for Rocky too. I'd be happy to see Bogdan come back.
Than Hanlon or Porteous? because they were the ones who lost headers, not Marciano.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
He did fine against Tier 2 and 4 clubs. Can't really conclude much on that.
Ok, there was another mistake then. Was definitely something that happened that gave me the ****s about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Call it ridiculous if you want, I don’t really care. In a years time there’s no danger we’ll be talking about him in the same light we do about Marciano.
What mistakes? He's lost 2 goals and you've mentioned both.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
I'm not saying we will. You can think we need another keeper without making stuff up about Macey, though. I'd rather keep Rocky as well but Macey hasn't done anything wrong really, Ross might go with him.
Can’t really agree, couple of excellent stops in both games. Doesn’t really make much of a difference if it came from the foot of a tier 4 or tier 1 player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diclonius
More than happy for him to be next years number 1 based on what I’ve seen.
Do mistakes only happen if they come to goals?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Tone of your posts are annoying me though. Don’t understand why there’s need to be a prick about it. You just disagree with me, that’s fine.
For me, I think there’s been glimpses of things I’ve been a bit concerned about with him. Not been obvious errors, I’m just not convinced by him.
And celtic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diclonius
He had a couple of very good saves against Celtic but I think his positioning for their goal was poor in that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onceinawhile
His kicking has been off a few times and I’d definitely blame him for the goal at Parkhead. Few very good saves in the games he’s played though, hopefully we get 3rd wrapped up early (it’s Hibs, we won’t) and he gets the chance to play a bit more.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Agree with Bingo re the lost goals but more than happy for him Macey to be handed the gloves for next season
Looks capable enough commanding and good with the ball at his feet
Would benefit from a run in the team
Would like to think that we are talking to him about next season already. A cup winners medal in his pocket and the chance to play European Football would help.
I think you might just be a bit nervous about change, Rocky has been the best we've had in a long time, and you obviously remember the traffic cones we had before. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
****ing right.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
Do you not? 😂
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
I like Macey, solid and makes important saves, good talker and his distribution is way better than Marciano. Definitely worth a deal and making him No. 1 for me.
FWIW I’d like is to sign the ex hearts ******* and current Rangers ******* Jon McLaughlin.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
I know he’ll be on more than we can afford just now but I have a hunch he’ll want to be playing first team football. Macey as back up to him would be fine with me.
Too early to make judgement on him yet for me.
I agree that there have been a few moments which have left a little to be desired, positioning for Celtic go and I also think he probably should have saved the QoS goal. That being said you could argue that Marciano would have done similar had he been out for a long time and on getting minimal runs in the team.
Put it this way I'd be happy enough at this stage if we chose to go with Macey as #1 next season and give him a run in the side, although I think we'll struggle to fully replace Marciano
We will be signing another keeper regardless but I’ve not seen anything major that has red flags to be fair to him.
One hand save on his left was a beaut.
Good shout, he did look decent for them, and was it Sunderland too apparently?Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
He's made a few top saves when he's played Nicho, that save was good because like others he's made he has the intuition to palm them away from danger. I seriously think there's a top keeper in Macey if he gets the chance to be a No. 1 :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicho87
Hibs fan too isn’t he?Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Do you think Rocky doesn’t have quite a few flaws in his game that have shown themselves up fairly regularly?Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Marciano has been good for us but I do find it strange you’re saying Macey will never be spoken about in the same breath on the basis of very little obvious so far.
It could turn out that he isn’t as good but surely only time would tell us that?
His family are Hibs fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iggy Pope
I remember him saying that when he played for Hearts.
There’s an interview with Jack Ross when he was at Sunderland saying how good McLaughlin was for him. I can’t be bothered finding it but it exists.
I would be surprised if we don’t make a move for him but that’s based on absolutely nothing other than a semi educated guess.
Not really no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
He’s obviously not perfect but I don’t think any of his flaws are anything that really cause us problems.
His mistakes are minimal, the other things he gets criticised for are his distribution (no big deal for me) and that he doesn’t come for crosses (nonsense imo)
It’s just an opinion though, I might be right, I might be wrong, I’m just saying that there’s something about Macey and his performances to date that makes me think he won’t be a future number one for us. I don’t think I’ve said anything too derogatory about him and he might prove me wrong, I just don’t think he will.
Bingo, don't get me wrong, I like Rocky and he is and has been a great keeper for us. But his distribution is poor and it should worry his next side, as if you watch some of the goals we concede, often they have come from Rocky either being sloppy in his distribution under no pressure, or putting our back four under unnecessary pressure. Top shot stopper, and like you I can't understand the 'doesn't come for crosses' criticism (as he does well on them), but he ranks up there as one of the poorest from feet (particularly under no pressure) I've seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
In terms of distribution i set my standards at Jim Leighton and anything above that I’m happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
Unfortunately for Matt Macey I also set my shot stopping standards at his level too 😉 😂
It’s a really interesting debate and I think it’s how’s pretty much everyone see things different when it comes to goalies.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
I like Rocky too as he’s a match winner but I’m amazed at anyone who thinks he does as well on crosses as he should. He’s a big hulk of a guy but really doesn’t come for much at all outside his 6 yard box and sometimes it’s a flap.
I don’t expect perfection though - he’s been a cracking servant who I wish good luck.
:aok: the good thing for both Rocky and Macey are neither have Jim's bandy legs :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Jim was a superb goalkeeper :agree:
If you mean the freekick im not sure thats fair. If hes beat on his own side fair enough but i dont think theres much wrong with his movement or positioning there. Hes also made a great low block save and one in particular, one handed top hand save from distance just touching it over the bar was as good as a goal. Even more so as it was pouring with rain that day and obviously super slippy. He had an excellent game that day.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Some great saves, decent distribution, no obvious mistakes, Macey is a definite Yes so far from me.
I think Rockys distribution will be an issue for him if he moves up a level after leaving us.
Watching football now and about 60% of what keepers do is with their feet. Simply banging a 50/50 ball to half way isn't good enough. I can't stand him but Allan McGreggor was pinging 60 yard passes to feet throughout their game today. In the EPL and top half of the Championship down south teams quite happily knock triangle passes about their own 18 yard box using the keeper. I'm not sure Rocky is capable of that. If he's nervy that spreads throughout the team.
I played football as a keeper at a decent level. I'm honest enough to say I would be nowhere near that level now because I'm not a good enough footballer. I was a good shot stopper, brave and commanding but I'd have been totally found out in the modern game with the ball at my feet. I'm Sunday league level there.
'I want my keeper to be keepers' is yesterday news. To kick on you need the whole package. Watch the Hibs keepers warming up, the 1st 10-15 minutes is all passing and kicking.
Macey does look better than Rocky at crosses in my opinion, in fact i dont feel as if we are relying on the defenders as much when he's in goal.
I thought it was an area Bogdan bettered him as well. He was a less assured shot stopper but I enjoyed watching him come out 10-12 yards and pluck a cross out the air.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
Tbh I don't mind a keeper not coming for crosses. All the '6 yard box and it's the keepers' stuff is nonsense. Shay Given rarely came for crosses and he was a top keeper, Andy Goram was the same. I do enjoy when it does happen though, if they are confident when doing so it takes so much pressure off.
Good post PB, and without being a goalkeeper is an art and a skill and a crucial position on the pitch. What annoys me about any top level keeper is far far too many float balls out of play, under no pressure, and don't take time to consider their distribution. Watch Rocky when he gets a chance to play a ball under no pressure..........to simply boot a ball out of play is very poor game management and he does it way too often. He counters this by being incredibly good at shot stopping and making himself big when strikers are in the penalty box..........that I have to say is something he is extremely good at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Id sign him if we can. I think he’s all class and at least as good as Rocky. Decent with feet, commanding and a good shot stopper. Nothing I’ve seen would put me off him.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
You’ll rarely see any keeper in the world ‘command his box’ - it’s an outdated and mental shout. The way the balls move, the pace they come in at, the numbers in the box, keepers would rather trust their defence to win headers, and trust their own shot stopping ability if the attacker wins it, rather than come into a crowded area and potentially make an arse of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Decent shout I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Our recent keepers in Bogdan, Rocky and Macey I cant say its been a position I have particularly worried about for quite some time.
I hope we are able to keep him, he certainly hasn't done anything to worry me & he looks confident & imposing.
Gg
That’s not how goalies are coached. Certainly not on the SFA pathway.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
Ok, can you tell me some goalkeepers that regularly charge outside their 6 yard box into a crowded penalty area to claim crosses/corners? It’s certainly not part of routine coaching either, especially in game like situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
There’s so many variables to coming out for crosses I just don’t think it’s something your average fan can know that much about.
How much movement is there on the ball?
Who is in front of the keeper?
What are the weather conditions like?
What do the defenders prefer? A keeper to come or for them to be left to it?
Who are the forwards in the box?
What happens if the keeper comes but drops it?
What is the keepers feet and positioning like at the exact moment of the cross coming in?
How deep Is the cross coming in from?
What’s the trajectory of the cross like?
Keeper has to answer all those questions in a split second, if they decide there’s less risk just to let they’re defenders head it then for the most part I think that makes complete sense.
:agree: Hence why they train with outfield players more and more with each passing year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
All of the top ones do it from time to time, its very much in a keepers toolbox, and yes, it is a major part of the keepers' learning pathway. If youre asking 'do they do it as much as they used to', the answer is probably no, but also there are a lot less crosses pinged into the box in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
Agreed, i think he was trying to make sure he kept his hands from crossing over the line with the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Being a keeper, and watching keepers during games, I’d genuinely find it difficult to give you an example of a keeper claiming a whipped cross outwith his 6 yard box due to all the factors the poster above made. High floated crosses, easy, but Rocky does that too. That’s basics.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
As for the ‘learning pathway’ - you can learn all you want at taking crosses under no pressure to improve handling etc, but I have never seen one session that is set up in game like scenarios with a crowded box, expecting a keeper to charge through bodies to take a cross.
One of the gripes a lot of people have with corners is 'it didn't even beat the 1st man'. Anyone can float a high ball into the box but that's one a keeper will love. Coming through a group of bodies to pluck a ball that is 8 foot in the air out of it is a simple joy for a keeper. The ones that sonetimes hit the 1st man are whipped, barely above head height and pacy. There's no real advantage for the keeper there and a lot of the time they are best left well alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
There's a hell of a lot of nuances that some fans, and a lot of outfield players, want to oversimplify when it comes to crosses and goalkeepers.
Yes, absolutely love that post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
My pet hate is peoples pet hate about corners not beating the first man.
Absolutely anybody could sand wedge a corner into the box, nobody would ever score from them though.
There are plenty of sessions like that, including the ones the SFA run. Not sure what you mean by 'charging through bodies', it would be difficult to find all the players you need to replicate a crowded box (certainly to drag them away into a goalie session would raise a few eyebrows!), but yes, they use sessions with mannequins to replicate this scenario in drills.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
back in the day one of my favourite keepers for doing this in actual games was David James. Fantastic to watch him coming up plucking crosses out of the air repeatedly.
I agree. Decent back up but he isn't as good as Rocky and if we don't get a replacement in the summer we'll be weaker between the sticks next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
I mean charging through bodies in relation to a game like scenario. You can practice catching etc in training as much as you like, the delivery is nothing like a proper set piece taker, the box is less crowded, you essentially know where it’s going so know your coming regardless. In a game you don’t have any of those luxuries, so being coached it and actually doing it in games are totally different. Unless a cross is on top of the keeper, or floated in high, then keepers 9 times out of 10 will leave it to their defenders.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Ps mannequins don’t move, so again, you have a head start there as you know where you can run and know no one will be moving into your way.
I like what I’ve saw of him so far.
Big, commanding, good shot stopper and good with the ball at his feet. Obviously had potential before arsenal signed him, he’s still going for a keeper so maybe he just needs a place to fufill that.
I’ve noticed him fumbles a couple of crosses over the games he’s played but I’m willing to put that down to being rusty as he’s not played much in the last year - think of Bogdan when he first arrived.
Totally unrelated to anything on this thread but it was great to see Dean Henderson rocking a cap in the 2nd half of Man Utds game today. Chris Kirkland was the last keeper I remember who regularly wore a cap.
If Hibs sign a goalkeeper that brings that back into fashion I'd be happy.
On a similar but unrelated point my boy has recently taken up goalkeeping and I’ve noticed his diving is much better when he wears under armour legging things so I’ve got him wearing them all the time for football even when it’s roasting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
It’s amazing how telling an 8 year old that they’re like a modern day Billy Thompson means absolutely nothing to them.
I don’t necessarily disagree with most of that, I’d add that certain goalies are confident enough to come out for more, and others are far more risk averse. Depends on the mindset.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
I like Macey,,listened to sportsound today and they were going on about foster and why he never signed for Celtic this season and his weekly wage was £90k for a 3rd choice keeper at Southampton. Shows what market we are in for a top spl keeper 🙈
Seems a decent enough keeper from what I've seen so far
Was superb to see! I hate caps as I find they get in the road, and on public parks don’t actually shield you from a low sun, but was great to see, plus the fact it was bright red.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Think he's been decent so far. Absolutely nothing to do all game then produced a brilliant save. Sign of a good keeper.
Your deffo viewing Rocky thru green tinted specs...he doesn't command his six yard box at all and his kicking can be dreadful. He a top notch shot stopper but he has his flawsQuote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
To be fair mate with our budget and at our level every keeper will have a certain flaw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Borderhibbie76
Macey looks the real deal, much better distribution than Rocky and can get down to his corners quicker.
We need to find 2 keepers next year and I'd be very surprised if we managed to find 2 that are better than Macey so it makes complete sense that we offer him another contract.
Like what I’ve seen from him so far and on that basis wouldn’t be concerned about him being our number one going forward.
I get the anxiety of others going into a future after Rocky - I remember only too well the many years of inept goalkeepers who provided heart in mouth moments when even the most innocuous ball was played behind the back four. Not to mention the many derby disasters we had to endure.
However, I certainly haven’t got any of those vibes from Macey so far. The defences that have played in the games he’s started looked comfortable with him behind them, and he’s made some really good saves at times. Looks good with the ball at his feet, distribution seems smart as well.
Early days, but I like what I see.
A big plus point for Rocky in comparison to several of his predecessors is his lack of mistakes in derbies.
Great to see a Hibs goalie come of his line and Collext a cross or a free kick .
Marciano is horrendous with cross balls but a good shot stopper
I think macey is a better all round keeper .
Haven’t seen enough of him to form an opinion yet, although he’s a giant, I’ve learned that much. Would be surprised, and pleasantly so, if he’s as good as Marciano for us!
On another note - Stranraer keeper was excellent today!
He was, looked too good for that level.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
Have you noticed more this season that even shots straight at him he parries and beats straight back out into dangerous area. What happened to just plain catching it and holding into the stomachQuote:
Originally Posted by Borderhibbie76
I think it's more a case of found his level. He's played at a higher level before, including the Premiership, and gradually dropped down every few seasons to where he is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Gets down well for such a tall lad
I can't understand why Stranraer lie so lowly.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
Macey keeps the gloves for cup games...good, I like him.
Do we think Ross would be tempted to start him against Livingston?
They launch the ball into the box so having someone in goal like Macey to come and collect the crosses would take a lot of pressure off our goal.
I'd rather we set up to defend properly. A goalie can only do so much if the marking is awful. We battered Livi 4-1 with Rocky in net, not worried about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
Can’t say I’m any more comfortable with Macey on crosses but largely because I don’t think Rocky really has a problem with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
Would be more than Happy if we extend Macey's stay with us till next season, Give Dabrowski a new contract and sign one other goalie who is first team standard. I have no idea what Bogdans contractual situation is, but it would be fantatsic if we could get him back as no 1
Yeah, I don’t know where all this criticism of him comes from but Rocky is fine at them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
[QUOTE=bingo70;6530382]Not really no.
He’s obviously not perfect but I don’t think any of his flaws are anything that really cause us problems.
His mistakes are minimal, the other things he gets criticised for are his distribution (no big deal for me) and that he doesn’t come for crosses (nonsense imo)
I'm genuinely surprised at your comments here because his distribution has cost us on several occasions. There was the obvious glaring error against The Rangers that put us on the back foot in the 1st few minutes but time after time we surrender possession from his kick outs. Given that football nowadays is all about retaining possession then that is a problem. St J's late equaliser last season illustrated the 2 weaknesses you mention above. We have a goal kick into the last minute of added on time. Rocky hits it to an area where there isn't a Hibs player in sight, St J get comfortable possession, win a corner & score ( from about 3 yards out). Strangely, apart from his horrendous mistake on the pass back og for Israel, I feel he looks more comfortable with the ball at his feet internationally. Maybe it's the lack of a high press, better pitches or better players but in those games his distribution seems fine.
Macey looks like a vg replacement for Rocky.
There doesn’t seem to be an overall majority on this thread either for or against Matt Macey.
I haven’t seen anything in his performances so far that unduly worry me.I however tend to agree with the posts which read they would like to see him more against SPFL teams before they make a further judgement.
IMO we have to get the goalkeeping situation sorted out sooner rather than later.
If it’s accepted that Marciano is away at the end of the season and we have made an offer to Macey,what is the hold up.
Its looks like we’ll be in Europe next season so we need to get a keeper fixed up before the start of the campaign.
Need I remind what happened when we played an untried keeper against Bronby.
If I could be bothered I'd start an offer Macey a contract (given we need to find 2 keepers) poll. Yes, no, haven't seen enough of him to decide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Highwayman
I would offer him a contract now get that position sorted. I do think Macey could be a great signing you don't get signed by clubs like Arsenal unless you have something about you. Bogdan had a car crash of a start with us but after a few games some posters rated him better than Rocky. No brainer in my opinion.
Daniel Boateng disagreesQuote:
Originally Posted by gbhibby
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I think years of supporting Hibs has just given you goalkeeper PTSD, we'll be fine with Macey.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
He's already been offered one but was turned down.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbhibby
Hopefully we make him a better one and he signs, he wants to stay.
From what I’ve seen I’d be happy for Mackey to start next season as No.1.
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Originally Posted by worcesterhibby
My thoughts on Bogdan exactly,he knows the club ,knows many of the players ,an excellent goalkeeper IMO
European experience too
That's not the same Andy Goram that I remember when he played with Hibs, later on his career when his knees were finished maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Alan Rough was a outstanding goalkeeper for Hibs, I didn't think when he was at his best we would be able to replace him. I was completely wrong, we signed Goram and he was even better.
Goram not only would come out and catch crosses, he was brilliant at what seems to be a forgotten art for keepers these days, punching the ball. If there was lot of players in the box making it difficult to catch the ball he would plough through anyone in his way and punch it away.
Think a lot of Hibs fans base their idea that Goram wasn't good with crosses on one of his first games for us, the 2 2 draw at St Mirren when he was blamed for both goals. I was at the game but missed I think all the goals, travelled on the Independent East Coast bus that day, those guys had no idea how to get their bus to to a match on time. Christ, they could drink though!
Sure it was the same season that he was so good at Tynecastle against them that they lot were chanting his name, best display I've saw from a goalkeeper.
Really hope we get to see more of Macey, looks a really good keeper.