Be interesting in June when Kudela plays Scotland at Hampden.
Wonder if the Czechs will field him?
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Be interesting in June when Kudela plays Scotland at Hampden.
Wonder if the Czechs will field him?
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Unless he has been suspended by then, I'm not sure why they wouldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by EI255
I think there was initially some talk that he wouldn't travel to Wales the other week due to fears that he would be arrested if he entered the UK but he eventually travelled.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
He’s never travelled to the Arsenal game tonight. Very conveniently injured. Allegedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
He’s banned. He got a 1 game ban while they investigate.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamig
Yeah, 1 game ban because it was clear he abused another player. They are now trying to assess what form the abuse took.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
I’m not sure Kamara’s lawyer has been helpful but I guess he knows who his audience is, by essentially saying that evidence has been provided and so they should move on to sentencing. Not sure how his normal lawyering would work on that basis. At the same time has criticised the length of the ban even though he knows it isn’t the final judgement...
Just strange for me. I’ve never heard of someone being given a provisional ban dependant on the outcome of an investigation. Too many sound bites from uefa instead of just getting on with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Don’t think it is provisional as such. It is a 1 game ban regardless because it is clear he abused another player.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
The investigation is whether the nature of that abuse means he is guilty of a further offence.
Apologies I read it as a provisional, pending investigation, have only read the headlines about it and not the finer details however.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Don’t think anyone involved has made it very clear! You do wonder how it can possibly take this long to figure out what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
Especially when there isn’t going to be any specific evidence pinning him. So all they have just now is all they will ever have, witness statements, refs report etc. Baffles me why it takes so long to conduct these proceedings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
They are probably very nervous because I doubt it can be proved.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
I’ve wondered about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
The idea that the Prague player said “you ****ing guy” is clearly ludicrous but can any judge say that? Can judges only deal with cold hard facts or can they make a judgement call?
If it goes to court it needs to be "beyond reasonable doubt" in order to secure a conviction.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
A UEFA hearing won't require the same level of proof, they'll just deal in the balance of probabilities.
I’d imagine with witnesses though it isn’t just simply 1 vs the other, although no microphones picked it up, I’d expect you can still get a conviction off witnesses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Yep if it goes to court then corroboration from a witness would help in securing a conviction in terms of the offence being proved "beyond reasonable doubt". It's hard to see a conviction in court without any witness evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
With a UEFA hearing I doubt evidence from a witness would be required, particularly with the nonsense explanation being offered by Kudela. Although I'm sure it would certainly help to have a witness.
I think it's pretty shocking he had to cover his gob when he muttered his filth to Kamara.
Should tell the authorities all they need to know. Disgraceful!
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Doesn't prove anything with top players now!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by EI255
Watch any game at tbe weekend and 99% of players will be covering their mouths when talking to each other.
Banned for 10 games serves him right.... Should have been longer
I understand that by making this decision UEFA has ruled that Kudela has racially abused Kamara and if that is the case then the ban should have been a lot longer than 10 matches in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by badabing67
I also personally feel that Kamara's ban should have been suspended for a year given the provocation.
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Twelve month ban for me minimum. I'd say a lifetime ban but that doesn't give the opportunity for someone to regret their actions and change their character.
Should be a year if they are serious about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
On the assault though, provocation or not assaulting folk isn’t the way to deal with it.
I agree assault's not the way to deal with it and I think a suspended ban was the way to deal with it and activate it if there had been any further acts of violence from Kamara within the next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
As far as I'm aware he's not got a violent past.
Yep, don’t think anyone should be unpunished for assault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
A lifetime ban for a comment (no matter how bad)? What other crimes would warrant a lifetime ban?Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
Disagree. Assault is still pretty serious. He needs to sit out games. A suspended ban doesn't send out a strong enough message.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
If I was to make a racist comment to a colleague or a guest at our work, I'd not work in the industry again.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoboHarry
They had a chance to make a major statement here. If you want to stop this happening, ban him for a year. A 10 game ban proves FIFA arent serious about stamping it out.
I think players strikes aren’t far off.
People saying it's right there is punishment for the assault are saying that because it's a Rangers player. If it has been a Hibs (or Celtic) player that had assaulted a racist, then people on here would be applauding that player. Rightfully so.
Don't downplay what a ****bag someone is for being a racist because you don't like Rangers. The Slavia player got away very lenient and Kamara shouldn't have any ban.
That would be because prospective employers chose not to hire you would it not? Very different from being banned.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
Well, this is nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve20
There is no downplaying - only you mentioned Rangers and every reply has said the punishment for racism wasn’t enough.
Assault is assault though - most people don’t react to an injustice by assaulting someone. Perhaps you do go through life like that but ordinarily assault is punished.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
I think the vast majority of level-minded posters on here would criticise physical assault as revenge, regardless of who the player represents. They certainly wouldn’t be arguing that the player should go unpunished.
I for one wouldn’t want young Hibs fans learning from their idols that beating people up is the way to solve issues within the game or life.
We are all totally against racism and completely sympathetic to Kamara. Making out like attacking people is okay doesn’t make someone any more righteous in their support.
What did Suarez get - 8 games?
I can't speak for everyone but that's not the case with me. Regardless of what's been said, assault cannot be condoned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve20
I think a suspended ban strikes a good balance between recognising that Kamara's response was unacceptable but he did face severe provocation and (I believe) he does not have a history of violent conduct.
Said at the time that if the boy got a sore face then I wouldn’t have had any sympathy for the racist prick, but you can’t condone assault and so it’s right that Kamara has some form of sanction. Given the circumstances, a suspended sentence would have been more appropriate - he’s the victim in this situation, not the racist.
I realise it's all a matter of opinion but I think a ten game ban sounds fair enough.
However, I'd like to see more punishments dished out to clubs where there's been large scale racism shown by the Fans of said club. Sadly. that's something that seem to be on the rise in the last few years.
I can’t agree with that Matty.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
Regardless of how much of a prick Kudela was, Kamara can’t get away with lamping him. It’s not even as if it was done in the heat of the moment either, he waited for him coming off the pitch a good while after the incident and clocked him. It’s violent conduct and he deserves what he got.
I think there’s a case to take mitigating circumstances into consideration and the player’s lack of previous into account.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney McGrew
10 games isn't enough for me. It should be a 3 or 6 month ban. Nothing stopping the Czechs setting up some Diddy friendlies now.
Whilst I have absolute sympathy for Kamara, I think its right he got a ban. Roofes ban surprised me a bit, but I don't know if there was any malice behind it or not?
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
If he had smacked the boy when he said it then I could see the argument for defending Kamara, but it was after the game. After the incident. That's not to downplay what was said to him at all...but there's clear a difference between an instant reaction to something, and a premeditated attack later on. Kamara deserves the ban.
10 games will be about 3 months, roughly, won't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Juniper Greens
Is it 10 European games?Quote:
Originally Posted by easty
Good point, I'm not actually sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
From the bbc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Consequently, he missed Slavia's 1-1 draw at Arsenal last week and will now also be ineligible for the next nine games played by either Slavia in Europe or the Czech Republic national team, which will almost certainly include the Euros.
It's a UEFA ban so since he's already served a one match ban he'll miss the next nine games played either by Slavia Prague in Europe or by the Czech Republic national team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
He's eligible to play for Slavia Prague in their league and domestic cup matches.
I don’t think anybody would have been disappointed had they given him a year. However, a 10 game ban is almost unheard of in football so I’m not sure it proves that FIFA aren’t serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Who would the player have appealed to if he’d been given a year? I presume it would be an independent body? It would almost certainly have been downgraded if he’d been given that and an independent body looked at it.
Is it likely he’d have played in the Euros for the Czechs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
He has played in their most recent matches so I think he would have been a certainty to have at least made the squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
International Court for Arbitration of Sport, who are not going to look favourably on racists. And in a last resort he could go to the EU under restraint of trade I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
But really FIFA could have done whatever they saw fit. 10 games is weaker than nuns piss.
😂 what a load of nonsense. Couldn’t care who it was, whether it was a footballer or just a random person on the street, assault should not be let go lightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve20
Has it even been confirmed that the player Kamara assaulted was Kudela? Reports I’ve read just say a ‘player’.Quote:
Originally Posted by easty
At 34 Kudela has done himself big damage by his behaviour.
Can't play in the Euro's or World Cup Qualifiers for his country or in Europe for his club so it is a decent
punishment.
A sad aspect is he is still denying wrongdoing through his legal team. It will interesting to see if he appeals the verdict or punishment.
That’s good that he’ll miss the euros, maybe it will make him reflect on what’s an idiot he’s been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
And missing out on the Euros will definitely live with him for the rest of his puff. A lot to ponder over for this guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
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If he’s going to continue to deny it then he pretty much has to appeal it I’d say.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
Just a “guy”.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magpie
Apparently the ban can be increased after appeal so that might put him off.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
Has he not apologised though?Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
I’m sure I heard or read that a S. Prague official blankly apologised for the incident happening but not the incident itself. And I know that phrase wording if correct isn’t being abhorrent to racism. But I’m not a media outlet !Quote:
Originally Posted by DH1875
Kieran Trippier was given a 10 week ban (12-14 matches) for telling his mate he was moving to Spain, breaking betting regulations. Good they’ve got their priorities in orderQuote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
I’d have thought he’d have some marks/bruising after his assault by Kamara, if it was as bad as he claimed. Has there been any pictures of his injuries ?
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Originally Posted by BoomtownHibeys
It's football. Money comes before everything else.
How bad did he claim it was, and have Rangers even denied it happened?Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
From BBC Sport:Quote:
Originally Posted by easty
Slavia had asserted that Kudela was subject to a "brutal attack" by Kamara, which was "carried out with full intensity in order to injure and cause physical damage".
They said Uefa delegates witnessed the incident, along with Rangers manager Steven Gerrard.
Not read Rangers take on it.
Not just football unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
I’m presuming his ban is based on some form of evidence/eye witnesses so they must have had something to go on to ban him.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
It was witnessed by UEFA delegates, so evidence of his bruises obviously weren’t necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
Not suggesting it was just if it was as bad as they portray we’d have seen pics as we did with their keeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by easty
We didn’t need to see the cuts to see the tackle and the punishment it deserved though.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
Assault is assault - if it was witnessed (and this should have been easier than the racist attack to prove) then it doesn’t really matter how hurt he got.
The racist abuse would not have been different if Kamara had laughed it off, said it didn’t bother him and instead he pitied anyone ignorant enough to come out with that nonsense. Nah, it would still have been racist abuse.
The Rangers' statement:Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
We welcome the suspension imposed on Ondrej Kudela. This not only vindicates Glen Kamara’s evidence but underlines the severity of the comment, given the number of games which have been imposed by UEFA.
Nevertheless, we believe the sanctions imposed on our two players (Glen Kamara and Kemar Roofe) are severe. We have written to UEFA, seeking clarification in writing on the basis that we intend to appeal the suspensions on both of players.
We will make no further comment on this matter.
Rangers obviously feel it was a punishment that fits the crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
I think the point is that it was reported as a brutal assault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
It's pretty disgusting that the Rangers are planning to appeal Roofe's ban. He could easily have killed the keeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
Perhaps more to come for both.
BBC News - Rangers: Police Scotland submit report amid allegations of assault & racial abuse
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56762114
Yup. I understand why the racist incident been the focus but its meant the "tackle" by Roofe has been completely ignored. It was disgraceful challenge. And it looks like he hasn't apologised. Classic hun behaviour.Quote:
Originally Posted by mal