Why should a town (Broxburn) be locked down for 4 hours because of this?
It boils my blood that this neanderthal pish is allowed, it's 2019 ffs.
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Why should a town (Broxburn) be locked down for 4 hours because of this?
It boils my blood that this neanderthal pish is allowed, it's 2019 ffs.
Agree...a ****ing poisonQuote:
Originally Posted by stoneyburn hibs
Inadequate halfwits in fancy dress.
Was it an Orange Walk, thought it was the annual band contest.
Used to be a Friday night but now shuts down the town on a Saturday afternoon.
Rain made me smile at the back of 4 though.
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Worse than that it’s allowed is that people want to do it in the first place. In 2019 ffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoneyburn hibs
(I'm a Private Hire car driver) I had a fare from Bridgend (*banjo territory) to Broxburn masonic club at lunchtime today.
The couple I transported were perfectly pleasant/sober - and yet I still found myself thinking "I wish they blockaded Broxburn every weekend!" 🤭
They should be banned on the grounds that anyone who thinks that wearing a short sleeve shirt with a tie is acceptable is committing an unforgivable crime against fashion.
I've lived here for 20 years and in that time the march has definitely been less invasive. Think its slowly dying out especially with all the new housing.
They used to close the whole road all day now it's just a short stretch of the main st for a few hours.
Anyway it peed down on them today. Always a bonus :greengrin
I'd never seen an orange walk before moving to Airth, largely because I was able to avoid them. Imagine my surprise at being woken up at 6:30 by the pounding of drums to see them snaking their way through the village and literally right past my front door. I was livid.
Tom Devine (Scots Historian) said that this is sectarianisms dying breath before it eventually dies out in Scotland but judging by the ages of some of the participants I'm not so sure he's right. There seems to be a younger generation coming through that might not have been forecast 10-15 years ago.
I think Devine is correct to an extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Since the restoration of the Scottish hierarchy in the 19th century Catholics have had a recognised governance in Scotland and, generally speaking, Catholics and Episcopalians can now worship openly and freely without intimidation or persecution. Again speaking generally there is societal equality and it's far less common for people to be denied education or work based on their religious background.
They have essentially been reduced to marching about the streets annoying people to demonstrate their 'superiority'. Trainspotting 2 sums it up nicely:
'The Battle of the Boyne was fought in 1690 between 2 rival claimants to the British and Irish thrones: James II, Catholic, and William of Orange, Protestant. The battle was decisive. The Protestants won. But 400 years later the uncompromising and victorious loyalists now feel estranged from the modern, secular United Kingdom. The sectarian songs have been banned but they still gather and remain loyal to the victory of 1690, and to a simpler, less tolerant time. But if anything else, history has down us very clearly these are people it is unwise to provoke.'
Anyway you' ll have to excuse me as I'm off to Mass now.
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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
As Sick Boy once said, "beautifully ****ing illustrated".
I bow to your superior analysis PB 👍🏻
You’d have to ban civil engineers as well, then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I've worked with a few, and they tend to have the wee epaulette thingies on the shoulder of their shirts [emoji6]Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
The shirts are normally light blue or white, the non iron kind where you get 3 in a packet from M&S.
The more senior ones have pens sticking out the shirt pocket.
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Only use M&S now that bhs and canda are bustQuote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Army surplus stores are the best, real ex - navy & pilot ones[emoji16]. Strut about the place looking like a Japanese general. Handy for orange marches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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Moved down here from Angus in 2015 and completely baffled by the whole sectarian/religious divide thing, including the walks. I pity anyone who had to grow up with it.
Getting to the stage where we're family planning, and really don't want my future kids to grow up with the whole ridiculous "PROTESTANT OR CATHOLIC?" nonsense every day at school.
I find them a fun competition these days - I got caught at one last year in West Calder and ended sitting in traffic as it walked along the main street - police held the traffic on our side of the road. It was a lovely sunny day, and I had my window down and dammit, the sound of those flutes and drums were ruining my enjoyment of Slipknot, so I turn up my car speaker as loud as it could go (it's a Bose-based audio system in my car and it can project one hell of a noise at volume 8 - I had it at 25). Turns out "musicians" in these bands can't continue to play when there's a really loud noise that's at a different pitch/rhythym and they get really angry. The police seem to find it hilarious though.
I decided to try the experiment again later in the summer when I got caught at one in Lanark (a little more dicey as it's definitely a "Rangers" town) - I was listening to Linkin Park this time, but the same effect was observed. They all stopped playing and drew me daggers as they walked past (including one delightful chap that roared something into my car as he walked by - of course, I couldn't make out quite what it was) :greengrin
For a while, I lived down in Surrey and Hampshire - I was in a tiny village just next to Petersfield - imagine my shock one summer's day when I went into Petersfield for groceries, only to be confronted by an orange walk! Turns out, it's one of the few towns in the UK outside of Northern Ireland where there's a statue of William of Orange, and so marchers descend on the place in the summer :rolleyes:
There's a William of Orange statue in Brixham - it's where he sneaked into the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylar
We seen a "well fed" bladdered hun in an orange away top in the local Wetherspoons last summer. He was also having his picture taken at the statue later on whilst raising his fist and singing no surrender.
Lovely chap, guess he was on some sort of pilgrimage.
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http://www.speel.me.uk/sculptplaces/...ieldwmiii2.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Sylar
King Billy on his way to a Toga party. presumably? :dunno::greengrin
Nah, Billy was much more camp than that, bouffant wigs, make up,scent sprays, fake beauty spots and ladies robes, the whole 9 yards[emoji6]Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
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This is brilliant!!!! :top marks Nothing like some nu-metal sounds to drown them out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylar
I tried something similar a few years ago after being stuck near Bathgate but I was listening to deadmau5 instead, didn't have the same effect but it at least drowned them out. :greengrin
Anything that allows folk to offend other sections of the populace is going to attract new enthusiasts by the score. You've only got to be in Glasgow on the big day to realise Devine is applying wishful thinking to a huge degree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
There are thousands upon thousands of the critters.
Similar experience to @Sylar but in retrospect maybe pushing it a bit.
In my case I got stuck in a queue of traffic in Glasgow delayed by these blowfarts. I happened to be listening to Rage Against the Machine, which features some pretty deep base notes, and wound the window down while looking nonchalantly ahead. I turned the volume up as 'Big Base Drum' approached and was aware of his steely gaze penetrating my personal space as, for the first time he had competition and you could see his lip curling up, seething. The 'flautists' were truly Donald Dckd though and tootled away desperately trying, but failing, to maintain their swaggering discipline. It's the camp followers who I had to keep a wary eye on though but everything eventually passed safely.
They really don't like it up 'em and their inability to do anything when put off their stride gives you a warm, cozy feeling.
horrendously dressed, the weirdos that they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Ban them all forever.
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Originally Posted by Colr
And a fair few of the older generation of IT/tech people too. And Jack McConnell.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...PKp59a4q5oyoGg
THE “anti-Catholic” Orange Order is in terminal decline and can only survive if it abandons sectarianism, according to historian Tom Devine.
modern society can only hope so, it's the 21st century after all
Sadly, this weekend heralds the start of "marching season".
There's a website that provides a calendar of dates/geographies out there but I won't post a link onto here. Just search for "band parades" if you're so inclined.
Alternatively, you can find details of any planned processions in your area by looking at your council website - sadly, I'm in West Lothian at some point this weekend and there are marches in Armadale, West Calder, Harthill and possibly Whitburn (I definitely read about a parade, I just can't recall if it's this weekend or next).
My "FTOO" metalcore/deathcore playlist is ready to go for the car :greengrin
"Snowflakes with milkshakes" should be the name of a new anti supremacist movement:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Sylar
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...-west-48480251
Probably one for the good news thread. The thought of a couple of hundred angry men sitting stewing at home hating people rather than doing it publicly certainly makes me smile.
A good decision by the courts. I'm wondering why the orange lodges have decided to call off their re routed marches. 😷 they're still allowed to march, but just not past a Catholic church.👌
I hope Cosla take the message throughout Scotland.
Is it not about time those Neanderthals gave up.. really wish they would just **** off.
The simple reason is that the whole point of the marches (a show of force to intimidate Scotland's catholic population) is defeated by not being allowed to pass Catholic Churches/areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
The whole thing is a farce.
It's the elephant in the room. LGBT rights on the agenda :not worth, antisemitism uproar :not worth, rule out islamophobia :not worth, red card to racism :not worthQuote:
Originally Posted by murray26
But anti catholic marches in Scotland - tolerated and acceptable.
What a ******g joke.
You would think that they have already made their point every other week at Ibrox.
Couldn't they all just mill about Ibrox for a couple of days like they did when they were trying to prevent the liquidation of the now defunct Glasgow rangers?
Hang around with like minded people, sing about who they hate then piss off home until the next time, having achieved the square root of F all except giving the rest of the post 17th century world a good laugh.
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Got caught at one (not listed on the parade website) today in Forth. They still don’t like metalcore bands at full volume 😂
No orange marches in Leith. I think their used to be up until the 90's. One of my brothers had a flat on Albert Place and hung his large Hibs flag which just happened to have a harp on it out the window as the march went past. They were raging and he actually had to take it in by order of Lothian and Border's finest :greengrin
I'm not against them marching but it seems to be far too often and up and down the same old routes. Also, their is no way they should be marching past Roman Catholic churches. It seems common practice for the marchers to time the parades past the churches when there is a Mass on.
Intolerance of musical instruments other than their own. Say No to instrumentalism :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop Hibee
I was going to start a thread about Trump's visit to the UK but I see we've already got one here.
Broxburn is massively Orange, so it's no surprise. Plenty of good folk in such towns of course, but plenty of Loyalists tramps who cling to the 'this is oor country' mentality.
Absolutely correct to say that institutional bigotry has been largely eradicated, but at street level it still persists in Scotland, as we all know. Progress has been made here too, but it will take another couple of generations (perhaps longer) before the anti-Catholic nonsense dissipates. I was raised Catholic, but, unlike yourself, I no longer have any religious belief. The west of Scotland is far worse, but we are not immune from sectarian nonsense, and yes, it does go both ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
It's certainly staunch, mental that it's just outside the Edinburgh boundaries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
I hung a large Hibs flag from the scaffolding on Leith Walk in the 80s. Polis came up to the flat and told me to take it down. Provocation apparentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Bishop Hibee
I see the, grand orange lodge of Scotland, have said they hire in the bands to play during the marches, this after a young lady was assaulted and spat at whilst trying to cross the road through the marchers.
Absolutely disgusting behaviour.
Is this their attempt ot deflect responsibility? That they merely hire bands full of knuckledraggers in para military uniforms to perform their KKKultyural tunes, bands full of morons that are no doubt fully paid up members of their tawdry, hateful organisation.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
This pathetic excuse for a human tries to stop a middle aged lady from crossing the street with her message bags. When he failed at that he spat at her. He should be arrested. Is spitting at someone not assault ? Filthy disgusting typical orange walker.
Why is Broxburn so orange?
I thought the organising Committee for the marches were responsible for everyone at their March. Where were their stewards, that they were bragging about having last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
Did it not suit their agenda, that you can't disrespect the March, by crossing the lines.
Why is this allowed to happen?
I have just seen the footage on the news. Beyond contempt. You can see that plenty of the other cowards saw it spitting, so surely he has been handed up to the police?
It's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
Every year the Grand Lodge trot out the same pish about the bands being hired guns. Who is responsible for hiring them? They don't just pitch up on the day and start playing beside the marches.
If the bands are solely responsible for playing the songs they shouldn't, spitting on people or whatever else then the obvious solution would be to stop hiring them. The reason they don't is obvious; they know their audience and the bands provide what they want. Search for 'under the bridge' on YouTube and there are countless videos of members of the OO giving it laldy when the bands belt out something like the Famine Song.
The Grand Lodge can protest (no pun intended) all they like but their members and the bands they hire are complicit in stirring up the anti social behaviour that surrounds their marches.
It ****ing is. Their annual 'big walk' is a full on hate-fest of neo-KKK, insular right wing bawbaggery. The lowest common denominator sums it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
You're no even worth debating with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
It is.Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
That's fine, if that's your view, but, having had first hand experience, I stand by my view of Broxburn's religious bigotry, as manifested each July. Its insularity can match anything in the central belt, in my opinion. If that hurts your feelings, too bad. Confront those who still live in the seventeenth century.Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
I've lived here nearly 20 years. There is 1 annual march which closes the main street for a couple of hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
In the time I have lived here its become obvious that there is far less enthusiasm for this one and only march per year. Indeed I'd say I've yet to meet anyone here who doesn't think the whole thing is rather silly and pointless.
If you've had first hand experience of sectarianism here than I cant say much about that but to use it to say 'Broxburn is Orange' is pushing it too far in my experience.
Having seen the likes of West Calder, Boness, Bathgate and oh my Armadale in action I know for a fact that Broxburn is nowhere near as bad as them at this time of the year.
If it was I'd have moved out a long time ago.
You're entitled to your opinion. I absolutely disagree with it.
Oi, I'm from West Calder, 45 years and counting and I know a good 85% of the people here and I can categorically state that there's probably less than 100 people that way inclined if that,maybe a couple of decades ago there was a surge and they formed a flute band but most of those idiots have either grown up or deceased. I've no idea why they choose to walk our Main St, a few years ago there was apparently 108 bands marching down West Calder Main St and I've no idea why. I could understand if it was Harthill or Larkhall but I'm lost as to why West Calder. Obviously Broxburn has the same problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
It is not an annual walk, it’s a band contest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Broxburn can be a bit East Lanarkshire rather than West Lothian but is not the Orange town you would like to present.
Large Celtic following and a nice dilution of Hibs fans who have moved into the area over the past 3 decades
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It's our "thing", like guns in America or fox hunting in England. A reactionary national pasttime that is somehow completely ignored because there are too many people in this country that would go ape**** (including in positions of power) if it was banned, despite it being wholly bad for everyone involved and not involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes
My apologies. It's easy to make a generalisation of a whole town just because a small portion of the town cling to the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Bee
Their traditions are dying out and they know it.
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Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
yes indeed, like you did by mentioning Bathgate, a poxy wee march a year and all of a sudden it's labelled orange county
My point exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
I worked in SAI, Leith Docks from 1970 to 1990. These ****ing cavemen did in fact congregate on Leith Links. I was on 6-2pm one Saturday waiting for my amigo Jimmy a good Jambo to come in to let me away.The plant we were on was a continuous computerised process so you could not simply walk away. For early,back and nights the convention was to come in 30 minutes beforehand to let your mate away. I was going to see Hibs and thought it odd when Jim did not appear. At the back of 2 he stagerred in, his face battered tae **** and bloodied. He had the audacity to try to get to his work on time crossing at Duke Street only to be battered by morons in the parade. He said the cops did nowt.
I hate these bullying hard men *******s.
Scotland's Shame indeed.
BIG G
I can’t attest to just what Broxburn is like, but Bathgate is nowhere near approaching “Orange”. I grew up in Bathgate, lived there for 18 years, and i can count on one hand the number of times i experienced an orange walk.Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
I always viewed Bathgate as a frontier before you get into places like Armadale and Harthill - sectarianism wasn’t an issue at any school or football club in Bathgate and as many people went to Easter Road, Tynecastle, Falkirk or Livingston each week to watch the football as they did through to Glasgow (because it was that much easier to get east before they built the new railway). Any town to the east of Armadale and Whitburn are typically not “orange” in my experience. I know West Calder had the big march last weekend but i mostly read about locals being pissed off about the entire thing rather than it being celebrated as some kind of cultural day out.
We had an orange walk in Lanark last week, which is the first time ive encountered one here. Despite it being a “Royal Burgh”, it’s mostly a rugby town with a mix of Motherwell, Sevco, Celtic, Hibs and Hearts fans: there wasn’t a crowd following it or anyone lining the streets to watch, it was mostly just ignored.
I'm sure you are right. You live there and know more about it than I, and I wouldn't want to give the impression that every last man and his dug in Broxburn is a Hun/loyalist/Orangeman. However, there is, shall we say, a 'tradition' of staunchness there, along with its wee brother Uphall, though I'm sure there are many good folk too.:aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
Anyway, it's the twelfth - the band will be on the high street :wink:
Theres no march today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Have I missed it? I've got my Sergeant Pepper outfit ready, a couple of bottles of Buckie, and an Ireland flag to burn. Now I'll have to drive all the way to Larkhall :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
They are all over northern Ireland today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
'We're not racist we just hate ******s' was the message of choice on a few of the bonfires in Northern Ireland last night. Coupled with the burning of Ireland, Vatican, Palestinian and Pride flags it's good to see everyone embracing cross community relations......
So isn't just n****** they hate at all. Quelle surprise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
****s sake! Cavemen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
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Just the four ambulance crews attacked last night and a 40% drop in fire brigade call outs in NI.
Just shows you doubters that they aren't a bad bunch really!
The dregs of humanity, NH. Not all of them, but I am speaking of loyalist 'culture' as a whole. It is a poisonous, brazenly far right disgrace. Their behaviour would never be tolerated anywhere else in the UK. Yes we have its offshoots in Scotland, but the wanton violence wouldn't be allowed here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newry Hibs
Broxburn has a very orange disposition.
The civilising effect of Edinburgh will eventually radiate outward and encompass this primitive outpost.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/towers...te/#more-96403Some of the imagery from last years event was quite staggering too :-(Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
https://wingsoverscotland.com/towers...te/#more-96403
Holy mother of God!! It's impossible to sink lower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curried
https://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-con.../bonfire23.jpg
Where are the Eco-warriors now. Instead of lying in the streets they should be over in the six counties pulling apart every bonfire as 'each one is a cataclysmic disaster for the environment'.Why are they not banned ? Teach children to protect the planet but allow dozens of large bonfires to be lit. Lets see those Eco guys superglueing themselves to those.
You'd just get the jakeys sniffing their hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by southsider
Trying not to get into 'Whataboutery', but next month the nationalist internment bonfires will happen. Not as prevalent as the 12th but still has similar imagery of flag burning.
Are those held annually, NH? You must all be pyromaniacs over there. Can't they commemorate anything without torching stuff? :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Newry Hibs
Not sure when the bonfires started but it would be from early 1970s I would think. Every year in early August.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Used to be marked by women banging dustbin lids alerting the area. Probably still happens as a commemoration.
https://twitter.com/GerardFitzsimo2
i just simply can't find the words to describe this terribly sad individual, astonishing
Replying to my own post, but it's the green sides turn for nonsense...Quote:
Originally Posted by Newry Hibs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49277109
Was out for a spin on the motorbike this morning and foolishly went through bathgate where the streets were all closed off as hundreds of obese knuckle draggers marched the streets playing their kkkulchural tunes.
Absolute state of them, they are an utter embarrassment.
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Originally Posted by degenerated
One of several reasons I was quite happy to move out of Bathgate
I don't even know how or why I ended up there [emoji16]Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
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Link isn't working, mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newry Hibs
Link works fine mateQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Aye, working in the quote section. Not sure what happened there :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by MSK
From that report, it seems many local residents don't want these August bonfires, but a group of youngsters are determined to go ahead, using the fires as cover for violence. Is their reasoning as inane as "they (loyalists) have bonfires, so we need them"? I don't see the connection between commemorating internment and lighting bonfires; surely there are more constructive and educational methods.
While we're on it, what's the connection between Guy Fawkes and bonfires? He was sentenced to be hung drawn and quartered, not burnt at the stake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Bonfires Pre date guy fawkes - originally it was to ward off evil spirits...only after gunpowder plot where they renamed “guys” which by then was a derogatory term.... it subsequently becameQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Linked to the failed plot
Something to do with his role in the gunpowder plot, traditionally they would burn his effigy on bon fires and let off fireworks on 5th November, with regards his death by hanging, he was kinda lucky in a way, he avoided hanging by falling from the scaffold breaking his neck in the process 😆Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
I think the government of the day ordered the lighting of bonfires after the plot was uncovered, as a celebration. It has been maintained since.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
That was the easy part. He'd been tortured for days beforehand. Death must have been a relief.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSK
Bonfires, just a vanity project.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
Dunkeld at the weekend :) get these marches off our streets
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There is a lodge in the square. I think this is a procession to the lodge rather than a full blown hatefest. Not that I condone it. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
yeah i know, and a tiny little 'protest' but at least they got their message across :)
Where did you find the photo out of curiosity? It looks like it is taken from outside a shop that I have stuff for sale in. Also, if it was at the weekend, there were both SNP and Green stands in the town.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875