We've shared that record with Celtc for long enough. Let's get it back.
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We've shared that record with Celtc for long enough. Let's get it back.
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More than likely 1-0 either way. I can see someone having a hit and hope from 30 yards for them and then parking the bus. Seems to be how they get their points.
oh really? and just who is going to score all these goals? Lewis?:greengrin
Why the hell do we continually do this?
I wondered how long it would take :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Hiber-nation
Why the hell do we continually talk ourselves down?
I know.... always setting our standards so low.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiber-nation
We want TEN!! :greengrin
I'll settle for one goal more than the other team.
Because we're hibees :greengrin. Eternal optimists (until we lose a goal).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiber-nation
Their weaknesses in defending are where we are strongest.
Absolute no contest.
Just win, just effing win it!! It doesn't matter by how many!!
We might want 8 but ill settle for 1-0, too often in these games the team has let the fans down, time the players showed up and played like they want it more than the yams.
Setting ourselves up for a fall with ideas of wild scores. Hearts should have won today. They will be buoyed by todays result and will come to ER and park the bus. Will be very difficult to break down.
Anyone know what time ticket office opens at tomorrow ? Thanks in advance :-))
They will simply put everyone behind the ball, hope for a break (like last time)
and be more than happy with 0-0.
Now tell me that is not a possibility.:confused:
We need to get stuck in from the kick-off , get a goal and build on that. They will collapse if we get a couple before HT. We should play confidently (Terry will do that) and hopefully take the chances when they come. This lot are MINCE and deserve to get thumped. :slipper:
I doubt Hibs will score 8 in the whole of January though.
If we can score early on, they'll be forced to commit players forward, which will leave them extremely vulnerable at the back.
However, I don't want our players feeling under pressure to score an early goal, then going into a panic if they don't score in the first 10-15 minutes.
Let's just focus on getting that first goal, however long it takes.
We NEED to get the first goal.
Thought the Tattooed man was out till the end of January but quel suprise he makes a remarkable recovery and even manages a warm up game today and yes he got booked . Never believe a word that comes out of that Pink sh** house.
Did the last two games against Hearts not teach people any lessons, let's just go about our business quietly, rather than shouting we will do this and that - then it all going tits up.
It seems every time we play them these days people on here predict convincing hibs victories. Il be delighted with a 1-0, obviously we are long overdue to give them a vast humping but as usual I can't see it. Although I'm quietly confident of a win, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it finished 0-0 or dare I say it a repeat of the last 2 derbies. Just because we've beat Ross county and Kilmarnock (2 of the worst teams in the league) recently doesn't mean we should get carried away.
Anything less than double figures will feel like a defeat.
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Originally Posted by NumberSeven
This! Plus it would be great if it's an early one as well as the place will be rocking and their heads will go down.
If we manage to score fairly early their game plan's knackered, either way don't think we'll make any mistake this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by essexhibee
Not a game they will be looking forward too despite any bravado from the deluded ones over there. :thumbup:
Ah yeah....like the "man up" campaign before the 2012 Cup Final. That really worked!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
I agree mate. If we score early then we should go on to score more. We have to score first....it is critical. They have no attacking threat but we have zero luck in derbies and it would be typical that they score with another Stevenson like fluke goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eternal Hibbie
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Originally Posted by kdhibees1
These two above statements sum it up for me ..................Quote:
Originally Posted by NumberSeven
But it still like to see us hammer them
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THIS !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by kdhibees1
:agree:
If we manage to get an early goal, I'm hopeful we'll be in for a comfortable evening.
However I'll be more than happy with a 1-0 victory.
The last time we managed to beat them by more than a single goal was October 2005 so I think any predictions of a cricket score on Thursday night are a bit foolish.
Just getting the job done will do for me. Any score line in our favour I'll be happy with.
This^^^^. Think folk should just caw canny on the daft predictions and score demands.Quote:
Originally Posted by FalkirkHibee
We wouldnt beat maroon traffic cones 8.0
Jeezus.
"a" win would be fab.
As long as we score more than them then I'll be happy. I expect them to sit in with Hamill and the tattooed roaster trying to put their weight about.
What's happened in the past is irrelevant we're playing the worst team in the league we should and will win handsomely.
Can we be a bit more upbeat please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig_in_Prague
Had Taiwo scored from twelve inches out the first game would have been entirely different, the second game would have been stopped had it been in the boxing ring, totally fluke result, incidentally PF would probably still have been around for Thursday's match had we got what we deserved.
We are an entirely different proposition now under TB - have no fear. :thumbup:
Sorry to be pedantic but technically they're not the worst team in the league as they've amassed 2 more points than Ross County so far, albeit County have a game in hand (which they'll probably lose).Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Your right that we should win handsomely but there's been loads of times where we should've won handsomely and haven't. As mentioned by another poster, we haven't beat them by more than a single goal in over 8 years, and before that you'd need to go back to the 6-2 game I believe. Shocking statistic. Yes the past should be irrelevant but imo it's not. Derby games are massively different to other games, mentally and physically. And there's something about hibs that just can't seem to get the hang of them.
Normally, I would agree with your cautious prediction, but I really feel that hibs should be capable of taking 2 or 3 off Hearts now, and in the ghastly event of defeat, I would deduct a couple of gold stars from the many butcher has acquired.Quote:
Originally Posted by GlenrothesHibee
We need to score first early doors.
Bet365 have us odds-on. Thats worrying.
:agree: We have only managed to beat Hearts by more than one goal on three occasions this century.Quote:
Originally Posted by #FromTheCapital
March 2000 - Hibs 3-1 Hearts
October 2000 - Hibs 6-2 Hearts
October 2005 - Hibs 2-0 Hearts
I think we are all upbeat. But saying we want 8? C'mon. Setting ourselves up again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eternal Hibbie
Just go and win the damn game.
Pat Fenlon resigned, rightly.
The increase in shots on goal and very few being conceded is really encouraging. Back in love big time with Hibs under TB.
But its about time the PLAYERS stepped forward in a derby.
They will park the bus. Saw they had 5 bookings today. If we score early I'm certain we will win but they are spawny gits
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Im no even gona read all the replies but I assume someones already said it. "We're due them a tanking" or something like that cause its been said for the last 3 years now and its still never happened. Derbys are always tight and the next 1 will be no different imo
Could you, or the guy who you quoted explain why any of this is relevant?Quote:
Originally Posted by FalkirkHibee
Why is the past not irrelevant?Quote:
Originally Posted by #FromTheCapital
I explained why I think it's relevant in my last post. Derby games are different to other games. They're typically tight games and in order for a cricket score to be run up then there usually has to be a big difference in the ability of the teams playing. Look at the games where we have beat them by more than 1 goal, the two best hibs teams I've seen in my lifetime. A far cry from our current squad. Yes hearts are murder this season but we're no world beaters either and of course have already lost twice to them this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter douglas
We need to keep the head and stick to the game plan. TB will adjust that as the game progresses.
Let's just win the game, not worry about winning by 8 clear goals
However if it happens, I'll be delighted
One of which thumped the perennial cheaters 4-0 at the PBS less than a week agoQuote:
Originally Posted by #FromTheCapital
I don't see how players who played absolutely no part in us having a poor record in previous derbys can in anyway be influenced by something they had nothing to with. Hearts derby record probably gives their players a lift going into the game but it wont make them better player's and it won't make golden showers a better manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by #FromTheCapital
Think the op was posting somewhat tongue in cheek when he said we want 8. That is a score he [and many others] would be delighted with but, I am sure he realises how the game will be and if asked would comfortably settle for a win, by any scoreline. Personally I think that TB will demand a win and will get it, 1-0/2-0 imo.
Winning by a big margine is a nice luxury but at the end of the day I don't care if its 7-0 or 1-0 as long as we beat those arrogant, deluded *******s and wipe the smug looks off their faces!
80-1 for a Hibs 5-1 victory.
Couple of quid on that!
I think it's relevant because psychology has a big influence on sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter douglas
In any sport, if a team/sportsperson has a terrible record against a rival team or sportsperson, you here quite often about that record affecting the way that they play against them as it gets to them mentally.
I think our derby record is very relevant.
But it's not the same players who are responsible for us having a poor record against them. Most of our current team won't care or even know what the scores against hearts were before they arrived, so I don't know how it will affect their performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by FalkirkHibee
This is without a shadow of doubt the biggest game of the season for us and more so for them. If we win, they will not recover and relegation is a certainty and we could go on to earn a top six place. If they win, our season could take a real downward turn and they could conceivably go on to avoid instant relegation. The match will pivot purely on the mindset Butcher can instil in our players. If they are up for it I don't see us losing.
I don't think one loss would have such aq big effect on us, we're a much stronger team now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
Stuff the 1-0 nonsense.
A total and utter doing is all they deserve and all that Hibs should be aiming to give :-)
What about our record in the Scottish Cup then?Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
I couldn't care less how we beat them or by how many. I'd settle for a scrappy goal, a flukey goal, a ridiculous deflection ... anything, just as long as we beat them.
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by The Harp
Hearts got a good result today and were 'outstanding' according to Locke in the BBC report.
Forget how many we will score, we just need to WIN.
We are going to win 4-0.
I want to win by a bucketload. What is wrong with that? We will win by at least 3. They are crap.
We battered em in the cup game, then list by a freak goal. We made umpteen great chances against a far better side today, we will win and easily
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Of course we all want a convincing victory. It would be great going into the last 10 mins of a derby without our collective ***** twitching like a rabbits nose and having a good sing song in full knowledge that we'll win the game. But I've completely forgotten what that feels like so will happily take a scrappy 1-0, which if we are destined to win this game, is the most likely score imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
What would you have expected him to say - "we were slightly less p**h than usual and that's why we scraped a point".Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Lets do it decisively.
When will some of our fans learn. We rarely beat hearts never mind hammer them. I have seen better hibs teams lose to that mob. Go out with the same attitude as the last few weeks and we have a massive chance. One more than them will do.
Actually if the players maybe went out with the attitude of the fans we wouldn't ***** it. It's about time the players thought "we can do them" and have a real go for the 90 mins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Potty78
Aye, but we'll never have a better chance of demolishing them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Potty78
This thread should be bumped to the top every day till the game.
It's wrong though. I want 9.
Bump!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
We will win by at least 3. But it could be more their cheating thieving lucky ways have ended. It's our time and we will make them pay
Do people really think we will thump them. ?? In reality any team in our league can beat us if we are not fully on it...they have proved that twice this season...it's their last big game as they will be down before we next play them...so for me, it will be tight - and we will have to be on form from the start,....
If we score early doors i think we will proceed to give them a tanking.
The longer the game goes without a goal the more nervous i will become.
Gladly take any win.
The start of this match will be crucial - both the yam fans know this and Hibs fans know that if we start like last time and take a chance we create then we will grow in confidence.
As stated the longer any game goes on the belief starts to grow for the team with no shame.
I also don't care how we win - as long as we just do it and get the 3 points.
I do believe with Butcher in charge though he will have them ready and we are a settled team playing with some confidence now.
I can't wait for the game and the atmosphere as I know the fans will be up for it as they sense blood again - hopefully the players do the business :agree:
For any yams looking in - BIG TEAM BIG LEAGUE - WEE TEAM WEE LEAGUE
You mentioned earlier that there were times when we should have beat them handsomely but never. When were these times if you say it's all about difference in ability? I'd say the only time we've had a more talented squad than them in the last 30 years was around the 6-2 period....and their big victories and good record are all down to their overspending.Quote:
Originally Posted by #FromTheCapital
The facts are that a team with better players beats a team with weaker players more often and the odd freak result is thrown in. I was going to repeat that bringing up old scores was irrelevant but it actually proves my point when you look at the actual teams facing each other.
Look at the real difference in points right now, the make up of the squads and analyse the two previous matches. The freak results have happened and while it might not be eight, I'd be putting some money on there being no more anomalies. Derby matches aren't really that different to other ones on the park.
I would love to give them a real battering, but feel we are going to face a defence that is going to be difficult to break down. We need to make sure we win a lot of fouls around their box, and not allow them to dictate play, when they start falling looking for fouls. The only hope they have is breaking up our play and slowing the game down, and getting the fans on the players backs. We are going to have to settle for a lot punts into the box, and hopefully we get a scrappy goal. A second would finish it for me, as we could play with them and rip the P!sh out of them quite comfortably after that.
GGTTH
Maybe if the terrible record is down to the players in question they will have doubts but other than that I don't think so. Personal psychology plays a big part but historic records are totally irrelevant. Do you honestly think scores from four, twelve or thirty years ago play any part in players minds?Quote:
Originally Posted by FalkirkHibee
The only place these doubts exist is in the minds of the crowd. When we fall behind in a derby we usually say "here we go again" and expect the worst. When hearts fall behind they think "we're going to win because we're hearts, it's what we do". These attitudes are deep-rooted because hearts are used to having better players due to their cheating and we are used to being on the end of it. Players pick up on crowd vibes and I think that's the only way the past record effects the team: indirectly.
Pretty simple. Each time we were beaten by better teams in the final (apart from the Huns apparently). When was the last time we were favourites? There was none of this mince about curses and hoodoos in the sixties so it certainly wouldn't have played a part in any players performance...and the times we were favourites and lost we probably just played mince.Quote:
Originally Posted by FalkirkHibee
I'm sorry but there's no such thing as fairy stories, curses or Indian signs and the players know that. They know that previous results are totally, 100% irrelevant because the statistics apply to a different set of players who don't effect them in any way. That's both in the cup and against hearts. They know that's there's nothing wrong with our club and definitely nothing special about hearts.
Hearts fans think they will win derbies simply because they will and some hibs fans agree with them...both without really knowing why. It's nothing more than them having better players for the past thirty years.
It's time people woke up and realised that they don't have that advantage any more and looking back on when they did is totally pointless.
Agree with this. They will definitely come to make things difficult for us and hit us on the break and they certainly won't be dictating anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibercelona
I've seen a few of their matches and I think they play better away from home because the pressure is off. They feel obligated to come forward at home and teams can pick them off...hence a lot of their worst results being at Tynecastle.
They also aren't as bad as results would suggest. They get forward in wide areas and put a lot of dangerous balls into the box just begging for a striker to get onto. They also have players who like to take men on and drive into the box.
Eight might be stretching it but we have to be like a dog with a bone for ninety minutes. If we are one down we will have to keep battering away and likewise if we are two up. Contrary to popular belief, I don't think their heads will go down if we score and they will still be dangerous. A lot of them simply consider themselves lucky to be in that position and therefore don't give a monkeys (in a good way) which enables them to play with a certain element of freedom.
If we play for 90 minutes we should win but we have to make sure that we do...and patience might be required when it comes to getting that breakthrough.
So you've airbrushed the 80's out your mind then? Wish I could dae the same. However for the first time in many many years I have a suspicion that it is OUR time! Put all the facts you want in print, the last game, L.G.s "goal", sparry heid having polis Beaumont to beat, craig thomson, malkowski, too many others to mention, they have got everything. But like I said, I think it is finally, after far too long, coming OUR way! And personally, I am gonna get max. payback for 30 + years, only some of which was down to cheating financially. But their no gonnae luck their way through this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter douglas
Not sure what the record SPFL score is - 8-0 celtic v sheep?
But we should be aiming high, take account of form, player quality, management and likely tactics. A more realistic view would suggest we could be the first SPFL club to hit double figures and the magic 10. If we have an off day then only 5.
Daft thread that could have been started by a Yam. Derby matches are completely unpredictable. The form book usually counts for nothing. If playing rubbish teams was a guarantee of a win , there would be no shock results. The Yams had no right to win the last two but did - against all the odds with a bunch of kids.
Any Hibs win will be progress, and do for me.
Going back to my initial point, every time I come on here before a derby numerous folk are predicting a landslide victory against them which never happens and is why I referred to our terrible record at beating them by more than 1 goal. Off the top of my head the last time I can remember having a better squad was in Mowbray's early days before Romanov started spending big with hearts, 04/05? Only one 2-1 victory that season when we finished 3rd in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter douglas
I just want a win....this talk about a thumping is highly unlikely...a decent performance and a hard fought win will do for me...keep our momentum going and win a little bit of derby pride back.
Any Derby game that finishes without your team not getting beat is never a bad result. Hearts need 3 points from this game. All the pressure is on them to win. Any pressure from our side is coming from those who are taking a win as a given and are now arguing the toss about how many it will be by.
We've just scored 5 in 4 days :cbQuote:
Originally Posted by Green_one
I can see nothing but a comfortable Hibs win. If we score early we could all get what we really want, 5+. They have no goal threat. They will park the bus early and we will control the game. Past statistics don't come into this game IMO as extreme financial doping isn't a variable against us.
A word of warning , the tornadoes next derby after the 7-0 we got pumped 4-0 ! .Stop this nonsense about we should win , we are a work in progress and nothing more so cool this talk , lets hope the players don't read this rubbish thread.
We will win and win very comfortably.
The mentality has totally changed at the club, we are very strong physically as well and have just come off two good wins on the bounce. We have conceded 2 goals in Butchers 7 games in charge. We are at home and will have the crowd.
The weather forecast is good, the pitch is excellent and a Butchers boys are ready for a massive game.
They are pish and defensively are rank. They will try and get a 0-0 or a 1-0. They fear the worst and golden shower has even admitted that the appointment of Butcher makes us a different proposition.
Likely result based on form and home advantage? 2-0 or 3-0
Likely result based on above and desire to destroy them? 5-0
I just want us to do what we have done over the last couple of games. Nothing needs to be changed.
If we're going to hammer them, then we will. But lets not force it. Let the team go about their usual business like they have done over the last couple of games and they won't stand a chance against us.
Well said. Excellent postQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibercelona
GGTTH
We need to come out of the traps like we did yesterday. We really got at Killie, not too dissimilar to the Hearts League Cup game. The difference was that we got the goal.
Main thing is to go and get the win. Anything beyond that is a bonus. With our derby record I'm not going to say we will pump them. What I will say is that we won't ever get a better chance to give them a doing.
5-0 Hibs
If the players put too much into it right from the start, they'll burn out after 20-25 minutes. That's what happened in the league cup game.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
The players need to work hard, but they need to get the balance correct also, so that they'll last the full 90 minutes.
We don't need to throw everything at them right away in order to get the goals. The players just need to remain focused and keep plucking away at them and their inexperienced back 4 will start to make errors.
We want eight and we won't wait :greengrin
What a lot of keek. Keep the negativity for elsewhere. We will not be beaten 4-0. It's not rubbish either it's about being positive. There has been far too much negativity on here in recent years so folk are optimistic and looking forward to the game then You come along with this crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenpaper55
On recent form and performances yes we should win but it's a derby.... A scrappy 1 nil own goal will do me just fine but I want the same tempo and performance as Saturday that coupled with the work ethics installed by Terry his team.
Do this and I cannot see anything else but a Hibs win.
If you want to be negative and shot folk doon away over to broke back.
Away and bile yer heid , Not being negative just realistic, you must be a yam on the windup , get back to kickback yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
:top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibercelona
Fans need to stay with it and patient. I am sure they will as Butcher has brought a fight to the club I haven't seen in years - every player working hard for the full 90 mins. :top marks
He's a yam because he thinks we'll win?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenpaper55
We're all being realistic just some are a bit more over confident than others.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenpaper55
I didn't call you a yam I said take your negativity to Brokeback.
Drat my secrets out - nearly 6,900 threads to work out I'm a Yam agent on .net. Ha ha did ok there then before I was found out. And pray tell how did you find out I was a secret Yam? . Was it in my writing.
Don't tell anyone please.
Sorry but ma Heids already boiled with some of the writings in here. Cheers
Jeezo, what's crawled up your jam roll? Folk just saying we will win that's all. I think we all know it won't be 8. I think if you want to be negative you should stay out this thread, simples!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by greenpaper55