Hibs Women

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Originally Posted by McD

Great to see so many young ones there

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There were loads of kids there and a very decent away support too, as these pics show:

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2...rgh-Derby-Win/

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Originally Posted by The Hibee Harp

Spartans are also not included in the men’s East of Scotland Shield, should they be? Whether they like it or not Hearts replaced them as our main rivals in the women’s game.

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They probably would be if it had continued in its historic format, but it became a youth-only annual event between Hibs and Hearts a good many years ago. Pretty sure the Hibs youngsters won it 10 years in a row.

Back in the day it was mostly Hibs and Hearts who won it, but there were teams like St Bernard's involved (think they actually won it once) and when Hibs and Hearts were at their most dreadful in the early 80s I remember Berwick winning it. Possibly Meadowbank too or at least I definitely remember Meadowbank knocking us out!

In those late 70s/early 80s seasons the East of Scotland shield was the only chance fans got to see a derby with Hearts being regularly relegated and Hibs also going down. I recall one final (can't remember if it was Tynecastle or ER but I'm pretty sure we won) where there was a lot of crowd trouble.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...s/c2382l249p7o

Mind-boggling what some people/morons deem as worthy of abuse.

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Originally Posted by He's here!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...s/c2382l249p7o

Mind-boggling what some people/morons deem as worthy of abuse.

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I think you’re being generous in your description mate. 2 people who are a happy couple announce they’re having a baby, where’s the bad news or reason to have a go/complain/abuse them?

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Originally Posted by PHeffernan

The East of Scotland Shield hasn't been competed for by men for over a third of a century so a moot point.

Whether Hibs and Hearts like it or not Spartans are in the same womens league as them and from the same capital city so they must qualify to compete in any Capital Cup.

Bottom line, IMO, is presenting a cup to a team for winning a league game smacks of desperate marketing. The womens game deserves better.
P.S. Maybe our men should play for the Natural Order Cup at every league game with Hearts.

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We can agree to disagree there as I don’t think the Capital Cup is desperate marketing at all. I think anything that drives interest, crowds and finance towards women’s football should be applauded not knocked. The men tried it too to some degree with the Festival Cup a while back too.

Perhaps changing the name of the Capital Cup might work. Involving Spartans would be pointless imo. Right now, they cannot compete with Hibs or Hearts and would not add any value to included from an attendance point of view either.

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Originally Posted by He's here!

They probably would be if it had continued in its historic format, but it became a youth-only annual event between Hibs and Hearts a good many years ago. Pretty sure the Hibs youngsters won it 10 years in a row.

Back in the day it was mostly Hibs and Hearts who won it, but there were teams like St Bernard's involved (think they actually won it once) and when Hibs and Hearts were at their most dreadful in the early 80s I remember Berwick winning it. Possibly Meadowbank too or at least I definitely remember Meadowbank knocking us out!

In those late 70s/early 80s seasons the East of Scotland shield was the only chance fans got to see a derby with Hearts being regularly relegated and Hibs also going down. I recall one final (can't remember if it was Tynecastle or ER but I'm pretty sure we won) where there was a lot of crowd trouble.

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In the decade or so before it became a youth fixture it became Hibs and Hearts only so unlikely Spartans would’ve been involved had it remained a senior cup.

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Originally Posted by The Hibee Harp

We can agree to disagree there as I don’t think the Capital Cup is desperate marketing at all. I think anything that drives interest, crowds and finance towards women’s football should be applauded not knocked. The men tried it too to some degree with the Festival Cup a while back too.

Perhaps changing the name of the Capital Cup might work. Involving Spartans would be pointless imo. Right now, they cannot compete with Hibs or Hearts and would not add any value to included from an attendance point of view either.

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Spartans are eighth in the 12 team SPFL woman's league, above the likes of Aberdeen and Dundee Utd women, it's not like they compete at a very different standard. The Festival Cup you mention, was this not in 1979, that is a while back right enough :-)

The Capital Cup term for a league fixture is marketing, whether it is desperate or not I'm unsure, but it's probably unnecessary. We have it in rugby too, with Edinburgh V Glasgow competing for a trophy in league matches. That commemorates a fixture they claim is the oldest derby in club rugby, so maybe has more merit.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

Spartans are eight in the 12 team SPFL woman's league, above the likes of Aberdeen and Dundee Utd women, it's not like they compete at a very different standard. The Festival Cup you mention, was this not in 1979, that is a while back right enough :-)

The Capital Cup term for a league fixture is marketing, whether it is desperate or not I'm unsure, but it's probably unnecessary. We have it in rugby too, with Edinburgh V Glasgow competing for a trophy in league matches. That commemorates a fixture they claim is the oldest derby in club rugby, so maybe has more merit.

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The Festival Cup was about 20 years ago, played late preseason to coincide with the festival being on. Only lasted a couple of years I think

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Originally Posted by McD

The Festival Cup was about 20 years ago, played late preseason to coincide with the festival being on. Only lasted a couple of years I think

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There was a pre-season tournament called something like the Skol Festival Trophy way back around 1980. Hibs, Hearts, Man City and Coventry City. Think Coventry won it.

And there was some sort of Capital select side circa 1984 which faced a German side at Tynecastle during the Festival. From memory it was mostly Hearts players with just a couple from Hibs and Meadowbank.

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Originally Posted by McD

The Festival Cup was about 20 years ago, played late preseason to coincide with the festival being on. Only lasted a couple of years I think

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Originally Posted by He's here!

There was a pre-season tournament called something like the Skol Festival Trophy way back around 1980. Hibs, Hearts, Man City and Coventry City. Think Coventry won it.

And there was some sort of Capital select side circa 1984 which faced a German side at Tynecastle during the Festival. From memory it was mostly Hearts players with just a couple from Hibs and Meadowbank.

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I think the one from the early 2000s was intended to be expanded to include inviting teams from abroad to take part in a 2 day event, 2 matches on the Saturday, the 2 winners play for the cup on the Sunday. I think Bayern Munich were being mooted in the papers at the time :greengrin from memory the expanded setup never came to pass at all. The whole thing collapsed by the sexism or third year.


Think hearts won the inaugural one at Easter road 1-0, Andy Webster iirc

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Originally Posted by The Hibee Harp

We can agree to disagree there as I don’t think the Capital Cup is desperate marketing at all. I think anything that drives interest, crowds and finance towards women’s football should be applauded not knocked. The men tried it too to some degree with the Festival Cup a while back too.

Perhaps changing the name of the Capital Cup might work. Involving Spartans would be pointless imo. Right now, they cannot compete with Hibs or Hearts and would not add any value to included from an attendance point of view either.

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That's my point, the contrived Capital Cup label doesn't drive interest, crowds or finance toward women's football.
It is quite literally a tin pot and drove so little interest on Sunday that BBC Alba didn't deem the cup presentation worthy of coverage.
In truth Hearts benefactor is the person really driving things at the moment with his company sponsorship wedge making the derby free for supporters to attend and that is something that really does drive interest, crowds and finance.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

Spartans are eight in the 12 team SPFL woman's league, above the likes of Aberdeen and Dundee Utd women, it's not like they compete at a very different standard. The Festival Cup you mention, was this not in 1979, that is a while back right enough :-)

The Capital Cup term for a league fixture is marketing, whether it is desperate or not I'm unsure, but it's probably unnecessary. We have it in rugby too, with Edinburgh V Glasgow competing for a trophy in league matches. That commemorates a fixture they claim is the oldest derby in club rugby, so maybe has more merit.

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The 1872 Cup, another bag of bogus marketing *****. Should be called the 2007 Cup.

They are district teams and their professional versions introduction along with the Border Reivers and North and Mid all but killed club rugby in Scotland.
Turned working class Borders club rugby, with it's distinguished history, from an absolute powerhouse into a relative backwater.

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Originally Posted by PHeffernan

That's my point, the contrived Capital Cup label doesn't drive interest, crowds or finance toward women's football.
It is quite literally a tin pot and drove so little interest on Sunday that BBC Alba didn't deem the cup presentation worthy of coverage.
In truth Hearts benefactor is the person really driving things at the moment with his company sponsorship wedge making the derby free for supporters to attend and that is something that really does drive interest, crowds and finance.

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I’m well aware that Hearts’ benefactor is ultimately driving the Capital Cup and that is driving this all. The capital cup is a consequence of that though so IS driving interest, crowds and finance. The press give it a big build up because there is a capital cup. The Derby fixtures outside of the capital cup get a fraction of the exposure.

Having attended these games I have heard young kids getting genuinely excited about seeing their teams lift a cup (sometimes for the first time ever). Just because we are older and some view it as tinpot doesn’t take away from the kids enjoyment which I am fully behind.

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Originally Posted by The Hibee Harp

I’m well aware that Hearts’ benefactor is ultimately driving the Capital Cup and that is driving this all. The capital cup is a consequence of that though so IS driving interest, crowds and finance. The press give it a big build up because there is a capital cup. The Derby fixtures outside of the capital cup get a fraction of the exposure.

Having attended these games I have heard young kids getting genuinely excited about seeing their teams lift a cup (sometimes for the first time ever). Just because we are older and some view it as tinpot doesn’t take away from the kids enjoyment which I am fully behind.

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The Capital Cup is a sticky gimmick label added to the derby fixture with the cup presented every single time the clubs play unless they are in an actual cup competition. It's a dramatic prop presented for no good reason. The big thing is the game itself and the 3 points awarded to the winner.
The Crapitall Cup is modern day hokey marketing which drives nothing.

I concede that kids get enjoyment from the celebrations when their team wins the fixture and that is a good thing. Maybe a cup should be presented at the end of all league games.

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Originally Posted by PHeffernan

The Capital Cup is a sticky gimmick label added to the derby fixture with the cup presented every single time the clubs play unless they are in an actual cup competition. It's a dramatic prop presented for no good reason. The big thing is the game itself and the 3 points awarded to the winner.
The Crapitall Cup is modern day hokey marketing which drives nothing.

I concede that kids get enjoyment from the celebrations when their team wins the fixture and that is a good thing. Maybe a cup should be presented at the end of all league games.

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That's all that matters really. I love that the women's game so far hasn't allowed the relentless cynicism that can quickly reduce the men's game to a depressingly joyless experience take root. The Capital Cup is a nice wee addition to things, hopefully it becomes a long standing tradition for women's Derby games.

As an aside I take it you are against the 'modern day hokey marketing' in rugby that sees the Calcutta Cup awarded every time England and Scotland meet each other in the six nations. :greengrin

It's absurd for anyone to think the Capital Cup isn't anything more than a nonsense. It's a bog standard league game and should be treated as such. If its only inplace to satisfy a women from Baillie Giford so she will provide free tickets then thats a pretty poor show. It wouldnt happen in the mens game so no reason to have it in the women's

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Originally Posted by marinello59

That's all that matters really. I love that the women's game so far hasn't allowed the relentless cynicism that can quickly reduce the men's game to a depressingly joyless experience take root. The Capital Cup is a nice wee addition to things, hopefully it becomes a long standing tradition for women's Derby games.

As an aside I take it you are against the 'modern day hokey marketing' in rugby that sees the Calcutta Cup awarded every time England and Scotland meet each other in the six nations. :greengrin

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Calcutta Cup's once a year and relates to the world's oldest international rugby fixture. Bit more prestige than a women's Edinburgh derby...

In saying that I've no real issue with the Capital Cup. If it incetivises folk to get along and boost the women's game then great.

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Originally Posted by PHeffernan

The Capital Cup is a sticky gimmick label added to the derby fixture with the cup presented every single time the clubs play unless they are in an actual cup competition. It's a dramatic prop presented for no good reason. The big thing is the game itself and the 3 points awarded to the winner.
The Crapitall Cup is modern day hokey marketing which drives nothing.

I concede that kids get enjoyment from the celebrations when their team wins the fixture and that is a good thing. Maybe a cup should be presented at the end of all league games.

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The Capital Cup is only the first two derbies (home and away), the other two league games aren’t anything to do with it and consequently played at Oriam and Meadowbank.

I said it recently on here. Get along and support them tomorrow at Meadowbank against Partick. These women deserve our backing they give their all every week for the badge. With nothing else to be happy about at the club lets get behind the one positive.

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Originally Posted by lugz

I said it recently on here. Get along and support them tomorrow at Meadowbank against Partick. These women deserve our backing they give their all every week for the badge. With nothing else to be happy about at the club lets get behind the one positive.

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We'll be there. Made the decision after the St Mirren game only to spend our time and money on the women's games.

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Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE

There's a 'just giving' page on the go for Hibs ladies trying to raise £10,000 to help them get to the other end of the crisis .... I cant do links, but seeing as how I cant see any thread about it on here perhaps someone more savvy could post one. Seems like a worthy cause for those Hibbies in a position to contribute.

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Tell Ben Kensnothing to take 10 days off and contribute under the salary release scheme

Hibs women would pump Hibs men… FACT

On our way down to the game. KO 1pm for anyone keen to see a Hibs team (hopefully) bang in a few goals and play with a bit of joy.

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Originally Posted by Hibs4185

Hibs women would pump Hibs men… FACT

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Imagine the uproar if you reversed your post. 🤭

1-0 Hibs. Right on half-time.

Games against Thistle do tend to be tight.

1-0 Halftime.

1-1

Red card for the thistle player, looked like a kick out, getting lively in the crowd.

1-1 ft. Bit frustrating.

Some heated exchanges over the late red for Thistle.

not too much a surprise to see the women brought back down to earth again after last week

against a side they've struggled against the last 18+ months it puts a bit of a damper on last week when they can't follow up against a side below them in the league