Official Site: CLUB STATEMENT | EBT REVIEW

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Originally Posted by PeeKay

"Or, we can focus on doing all we can to invest in the future of our Club and the wider game to improve our sport, and ensure there can be no repeat of the issues raised"

This statement makes no sense. How can we ensure that there is no repeat without the full disclosure of facts that an independent review would provide? And why is it desirable to ensure there is no repeat of the issues raised, if those issues do not merit action now?

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Exactly :top marks

If we don't review what went wrong, claims of a fairer future are, just that, claims. Likely to be false claims in the fullness of time.

Honestly, Scottish Football stinks. Global Football stinks but we are particularly gifted at failing, we can't even ensure a fair league even when money is naturally scarce and league is mickey mouse.

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Originally Posted by PeeKay

"Or, we can focus on doing all we can to invest in the future of our Club and the wider game to improve our sport, and ensure there can be no repeat of the issues raised"

This statement makes no sense. How can we ensure that there is no repeat without the full disclosure of facts that an independent review would provide? And why is it desirable to ensure there is no repeat of the issues raised, if those issues do not merit action now?

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How right you are :top marks

The more you read it, the more it looks like like it was ghost written by Stuart Reagan. It is soooo out of tune with the great stuff Leanne and Hibs his have said and done over the last 3 years, you could be forgiven for thinking the SFA had hacked Hibs website.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

An independent inquiry, let's see a transparent inquiry where we can all see the ducking and diving that went on.

What do the authorities have to hide?

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Exactly this. :agree:

It needn't take up huge resource or cost for the club to say "yes, an enquiry is the right thing to do.".

I'd be massively concerned if having an appetite for doing what many of us feel is the right thing to do, had any impact on the board's ability to focus on a healthy future for the club.

What exactly would an independent enquiry prevent us from focusing on?


It's bollocks. Feels like a complete and utter cop out.

Losses against rangers and celtic have always been meaningless to me because it was always known it's to be expected. They've just become even more meaningless. What's the ****ing point?

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Originally Posted by CathroMustStay

You are willing to tolerate corruption.

Good to know.

Disgraceful and cowardly statement Hibs. :brickwall

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Ridiculous post - not what I said.

I'm angry and disappointed with that statement. I thought our club was better than that, but clearly we're just the same as the rest, cowards.
I will be at the game on Saturday as usual, but I'm not interested in anything the board has to say from now on, **** them.

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Originally Posted by Mellow Hibee

This is madness.

Do they really think that by denying the review everyone will actually just forget about it?

If anything, by knocking back a review they have guaranteed that the whole thing will just go on and on and on.

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Yep, which is why the statement is lunacy. The calls for an enquiry will just get louder as fans will smell a rat. A huge miscalculation by the Board and one they will regret. As others have mentioned, they'd have been better saying nothing.

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Originally Posted by beensaidbefore

The bit I struggle with is, why does there have to be any legal involvement. As competition organisers surely they make the rules and therefore implement then how they see fit

If I won the golf championships for years only later to be found out as a cheat I would lose the titles, no? Look at Jessica ennis getting a medal the over month, years after she was cheated.

Cheating is cheating.

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Me too. Alloa Athletic or someone else mis-registers a player and they get punished. They forfeit the game + other punishments. There is no need to involve lawyers. This rule breaking (mis-registration of a whole team)is completely within the sport. I said on another thread this morning it was time for Hibs management to pick a side. I'm shocked to see they have fallen into ranks behind sevco. Can say I'm surprised about Rod, he wants that SFA Chairmanship but I'm really disappointed by Leanne.

Extremely disappointed with that statement. Actually nah, I'm angry. All the goodwill that's been built recently and that's what we get.

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Originally Posted by Crazyhorse

Me too. Alloa Athletic or someone else mis-registers a player and they get punished. They forfeit the game + other punishments. There is no need to involve lawyers. This rule breaking (mis-registration themselves of a whole team)is completely within the sport. I said on another thread this morning it was time for Hibs management to pick a side. I'm shocked to see they have fallen into ranks behind sevco. Can say I'm surprised about Rod, he wants that SFA Chairmanship but I'm really disappointed by Leanne.

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Could it be that all those folk are just sheiting themselves from the flack they would get from sevco sympathisers?

We've seen all the threats, and to be honest i wouldn't be wanting my head on the block.

Maybe they secretly want a fans led initiative?

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Originally Posted by Hibby D

I agree. Short of polling everyone at the turnstiles on Saturday we really don't know what the majority view is.

There are obviously fans who are apoplectic, and others who are pure ragin', pissed off and disappointed. Then there are others, like me, who couldn't give a rats arse. Rangers oldco cheated. Everyone and their granny kens it. They are the embarrassment and the disgrace as far as I'm concerned. Sadly our board's statement deflects from that and for me that is the biggest disappointment. I agree with their decision not to pursue further action (based on the legal advice sought and for financial reasons) but they should have bowed out kicking and screaming their condemnation.

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Spot on D. Nail on the head :agree:

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Originally Posted by Crazyhorse

Me too. Alloa Athletic or someone else mis-registers a player and they get punished. They forfeit the game + other punishments. There is no need to involve lawyers. This rule breaking (mis-registration of a whole team)is completely within the sport. I said on another thread this morning it was time for Hibs management to pick a side. I'm shocked to see they have fallen into ranks behind sevco. Can say I'm surprised about Rod, he wants that SFA Chairmanship but I'm really disappointed by Leanne.

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That would be interesting - especially with their Chairman currently on the SFA Board :greengrin......now if they escaped punishment..............:cb

genuine question, not being facetious, but what is it that a review would have achieved, practically speaking? is it just about stripping rangers of titles, or is it about whether the authorities were aware of the EBTs before rangers went into admin? my thinking is that if it's just about stripping titles, as much as i would love that to happen, would it possibly be at the expense of club resources? if so, i can see the logic in just letting it be, the fact is they lost their history, if not on paper, in actual fact. they are a new club, and had to work their way back up, and i severely doubt anyone would pull that kind of crap again...i'm completely open to being wrong here though.

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Originally Posted by Thecat23

This is far from title stripping. Goes way, way beyond that. Back hand deals etc. Sorry but if you think the Hibs fans are in uproar just because of that you are wrong. I think majority who are angry want proper justice and an independent inquiry could have seen that.

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Originally Posted by madhatter

Pointless? I'm sorry but if clubs can just spend money that they don't have or can cover to win trophies and then be punished in law...for football authorities to sweep this under the rug...only 1 thing becomes pointless - Professional Football.

History will show trophies for Rangers. Will it be appended with *Gained through illegal payment scheme/unfair financial play. No? Scottish football is pointless. Clubs will bend over backwards for Celtic and Rangers as before and we'll go back to fighting for their scraps. Again, Scottish football is pointless. Fair is not in Scottish Football's vocabulary, never has been. Pointless, eh?

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A serious question; what do you consider to be proper justice? Someone getting the sack, someone going to jail? Seriously what would you like to happen if all your suspicions are proven to be correct?

All I see is another pointless inquiry that leads to another pointless report that everyone whines about & complains about cover ups and a lack of appropriate punishment.

should have read the thread, not just the first page - my questions are answered...i'm agnostic tbh...any report, no matter who conducts it, is bound to be something of a whitewash. unless they got that channel 4 guy in...

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Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper

genuine question, not being facetious, but what is it that a review would have achieved, practically speaking? is it just about stripping rangers of titles, or is it about whether the authorities were aware of the EBTs before rangers went into admin? my thinking is that if it's just about stripping titles, as much as i would love that to happen, would it possibly be at the expense of club resources? if so, i can see the logic in just letting it be, the fact is they lost their history, if not on paper, in actual fact. they are a new club, and had to work their way back up, and i severely doubt anyone would pull that kind of crap again...i'm completely open to being wrong here though.

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I think the supporters of the game have a right to know what happened, how did so much get by the powers that be, how much was ignored or had a blind eye turned to it, and to what extent rules were broken without consequence.

I'm not especially bothered about title stripping, though I think they should be, but for me it is all about transparency and accountability.

We all know they cheated but how were they allowed to - and you can lump Hearts into this as well, they were well at it during Romanov's time. Who knew and why was nothing done about it?

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Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper

genuine question, not being facetious, but what is it that a review would have achieved, practically speaking? is it just about stripping rangers of titles, or is it about whether the authorities were aware of the EBTs before rangers went into admin? my thinking is that if it's just about stripping titles, as much as i would love that to happen, would it possibly be at the expense of club resources? if so, i can see the logic in just letting it be, the fact is they lost their history, if not on paper, in actual fact. they are a new club, and had to work their way back up, and i severely doubt anyone would pull that kind of crap again...i'm completely open to being wrong here though.

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Why is the terminology "stripping" being used repeatedly on here? They can't be "stripped" because they haven't won any major titles. The ruling is allowing a NEW CLUB to claim ownership over the tainted achievements of the old club, while being completely absolved of any responsibility of the old clubs wrong doings.

The "punishment" and "stripping" angle is all wrong. It's not about either of these things.

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Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper

should have read the thread, not just the first page - my questions are answered...i'm agnostic tbh...any report, no matter who conducts it, is bound to be something of a whitewash. unless they got that channel 4 guy in...

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......and whatever the outcome there would be thousands of people crying foul and calling it a cover up.

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Originally Posted by RMQ1967

A serious question; what do you consider to be proper justice? Someone getting the sack, someone going to jail? Seriously what would you like to happen if all your suspicions are proven to be correct?

All I see is another pointless inquiry that leads to another pointless report that everyone whines about & complains about cover ups and a lack of appropriate punishment.

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You may be right but if that is how Scottish Football deals with illegal activity within its domain then Scottish Football in my eyes is pointless.

Look at Scottish Football, we take an arrogant stance on crowd behaviour in Russia, Ukraine, etc. and such but we have sectarian songs sung weekly by Celtic and Rangers. As fans we were abhorred at the financial goings-on in Italy but allow a similar thing to go relatively unpunished and have the cheek to talk about brighter futures.

Hibs should sign Messi and Ronaldo. Win the league and Champions League then fold and return as Hibs Mk II. Football is commercialised to the extent that it is pointless competition is dead and now cheating is swept under the rug where does the pointlessness end?

13,000 Season Ticket holders yet they consult 2 bloody fan reps and then chat amongst themselves, the board.

I suggest Petrie brings his headphones on Saturday.

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Originally Posted by blaikie

Massive error by Dempster and co!

Could this be Petrie helping his friends at the SFA

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Dempster grew up a Currant Bun.

Rod is complicit in the Five Way Agreement

Scottish Football is corrupt.

The Board have 13,000 folks ST money and treat fans with contempt.

And for that reason, I'm out.

As many others have said I'm genuinely disappointed with Hibs statement and surprised they are willing to move on after being vocal in 2012 regarding sporting integrity.

The SFA don't want an inquiry because they've the most to lose in this saga- our chairman is likely complicit in whatever shenanigans they're trying to cover up.

Basically given the Rangers a cheats charter knowing the governing body will do SFA as they yet again lead the rest a merry dance.

Shows our club listens only to the fans when they're trying to make a buck.

Disgracful from the club! Fuming! Total let downs!! Have they forgotten about how Rangers and their supporters have treated us in recent years? Statements and petitions for example..yet we our board aim to join in with the SFA's sweep sweeps! Do one

Very disappointed and deflated by this.

Will be interested to see if the RTC attempts to instigate a judicial review get off the ground if the legal advice is so unequivocal.

What saddens me the most tonight is how many Hibs fans seem delighted to tell the rest of us how bad our club/board are, that they somehow conned them into buying a ST and how they are now "out".

Actually, less saddened than amused. Some of you are really acting like kids.

"We prefer the latter option - working to ensure that in the future our game is fairer and more open, and has the potential to secure greater commercial income to fund further improvement for the longer term."

I might be prepared to give the board the benefit of the doubt on this statement, if they could let us know exactly what concrete actions they are taking to ensure that our game is fairer and more open in the future. As at the moment I'm not entirely sure whats changed or will change at the SFA or SPFL to ensure that the likes of Rangers/Hearts/Gretna's cheating will not happen again.

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Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper

genuine question, not being facetious, but what is it that a review would have achieved, practically speaking? is it just about stripping rangers of titles, or is it about whether the authorities were aware of the EBTs before rangers went into admin? my thinking is that if it's just about stripping titles, as much as i would love that to happen, would it possibly be at the expense of club resources? if so, i can see the logic in just letting it be, the fact is they lost their history, if not on paper, in actual fact. they are a new club, and had to work their way back up, and i severely doubt anyone would pull that kind of crap again...i'm completely open to being wrong here though.

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You've totally missed the point.

Rangers deliberately concealed information from HMRC and the SFA to gain a sporting advantage. Paying players tax free. People working for Rangers and the SFA knew what was going on. When they admitted one tax problem the SFA still allowed them to play in Europe, because Rangers needed that money to survive. Luckily for everyone else Maribor came along and pumped Rangers quickly went bust.

But instead of becoming The Rangers their friends at the SFA have gone along with the lie they're the same Club because the two daft Englishmen Doncaster and Reagan can't envisage Scottish football without the tiresome Old Firm.

The SFA is corrupt. Hibs are complicit in that. Shameful.

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Originally Posted by RMQ1967

Well done to the Hibernian board for showing guts and leadership to draw a line under this. It was fun seeing the huns rage when they were demoted and I enjoyed seeing them stumble from one crisis to another in recent years but I can't wait for the end of this pointless campaign.

I've never been able to understand the point of people looking for the huns to be stripped of titles - they've celebrated the wins, they've lifted the cups, their players have their medals, they've won the money, they have the memories - taking titles away today or in the future won't change a single shred of that. If I was a hun or a hertz fan for that matter I'd be sitting laughing at the the folk sitting squealing about title stripping - I honestly wouldn't give a toss and I'm sure they don't either.

In practical terms, title stripping is as pointless as marching about celebrating battles from 300 odd years ago or singing about religion when you never set foot in a church - it's utterly pointless to pursue it any further and of absolutely no consequence to anyone apart for smelik.

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They may have their memories... until they also remember their cheating was exposed and they lost all those medals and trophies.

Scottish supporters from non-old firm clubs need to be more coordinated, if Hibs and other clubs are happy to sweep this, why can't the other clubs fans (bypass the corrupt nature) band together to get a proper inquiry into the sectarian nature of songs sung by Celtic and Rangers and the hush hush approach to that and the very rarely but known domestics that occur after Old Firm games?

Why are so many things in Scottish football masked? We've had a legendary inquiry regarding a pitch invasion and fights but can't properly look at the reasons that it came to that...how much did that one cost? Did The Rangers not want to move on to a fairer future after the cup loss?

Hypocrisy, mismanagement, corruption, dishonest and pointless. The list of suitable adjectives to describe Scottish football is endless.

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Originally Posted by green day

What saddens me the most tonight is how many Hibs fans seem delighted to tell the rest of us how bad our club/board are, that they somehow conned them into buying a ST and how they are now "out".

Actually, less saddened than amused. Some of you are really acting like kids.

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I've been out for a while. This statement was the only thing we were going to get.

Scottish Football is designed to permanently favour two teams. Rangers going bust has proven that beyond any doubt.

We're here to make up the numbers. The Old Firm is the be all and end all.